Yes, I think so.

“Well, then it high time you started using every possible effort to push it in the desired direction!”

Estas pocas lineas son pura Inspiración, ¿no crees?

Cheers :)

I would like to give a reaction, but I give it on the page of Lust. Really my favourite – not.

Thank you Aditya for bringing in some lightness. :-)))

Why r we so quick to pronounce our judgement on say what bible says about greed. For u if u r right, u don’t gain anything but if somehow for you what the bible says starts appearing right, then u may have gained something at least another point of view, and that too u’r own. interesting, no !!!!

Mirjam.
what u wrote was so poetic how could it be irritating, i liked it. Can u not do both ‘stare’ at holy statues, holy paintings, etc and don’t consider a hanging zesus as holy if u r not comfortable with it, can u not stare ar statues, contemplate the bible, give voice to those who need and yes find time ( hoever small ) for u’r self too. Sure u can, I feel.

regards

aditya

Yes, I think a computer has to learn from itself, like in the eighties movie War Games. But it needs information. And inventing information is, to me, the danger, because we can step out of reality. And then I mean out of the material world, which is absolutely necessary to be in touch with. So, its probably both ways, to me.

Yes. Intervening is a very difficult thing, I think. If the world would stop for a moment and I mean everything on it, us too, when we all would sit down and listen and look around us.
I once tried to save a fly out of a spiders web, I managed to succeed. But later that day I stepped on a snail.

So, to me that is: we’d better not interfere in the natural scheme of things, or compensate. It’s the balance indeed. But if it’s unnatural, then I think we can do intervene and I mean, not by ourselves, but with the intention of serving God. How do I know I’m serving God? I do not know, but when I serve Love, Light and Life, to me that’s serving God. I do not call that correction, because I do not do anything, I’m just pleeding.

There are so many lives who cannot speak, who have no voice, because somehow their voices are taken away or they are forbidden to speak. While I live in peace, so many voices are crying soundlessly, whether they have done something wrong or someone did something wrong to them, they all have hearts that beat. We can not forget about them. ‘Animal’ and ‘human’.

My pain is the sacrifice for me living in peace and love.
So, I love the sun and the beauty of all, but I think when I say to people and animals in whatever prison they are: “Well, the sun will come up tomorrow, really” – that’s really not a comfort. They maybe wish that the sun won’t come up anymore.
So: intervene? Probably not, but we can give them a voice, if they want to of course. To me, that’s a better way then to stare ourselves blind in front of holy statues. But that’s how I feel. And excuse me for being very irritating.

P.S. You can by a cyber activist for Greenpeace, Amnesty or various animal welfare organisations.

From a personal point of view, I also think that there is much to be accomplished. I have yet to complete the Great Work for myself.

And like you seem to do, I trust in the remedy prescribed by the Great Physician (although his handwriting is sometimes not very clear; he seems to share this with his “lower peers”).

May Love guide all to their Will, and make them do it!

In short the magic wand is “For the human race, the way out ( of the mess we have made of this earth, ourselves ) the way out is, in” huh !! ha ha ha !!

regards

PS : Paulo has written on lust, he did not hear us, so be it. afterall he too is a man ( a generous one no doubt) . This one interests me most what does he mean by ‘control of the vital force’, not using it as recommended in some scriptures is hardly control. if at all I will be guilty of overindulgance. I need to clear myself on this, will await u’r and Deb’s & AVC & Mirjam and all other comments on Lust. should I say lustily, naah !

Aditya

Seems I offended u, sorry friend, sometimes when I am successful in what I am doing at the moment i don’t feel too happy afterwards, see.

How true, what we write, what we say, is for us also as much much as it is for ‘them’.

About the ‘rude’ remarks I have received I firmly believe that we see in others what we want to see, if someone sees me as stupid, whether I am stupid or not is the moot point, there r shades of stupidity in ‘that’ person too.

About ‘corrections’ there r two kinds. one is where things are not ‘good’ and need to be corrected, second one is that they r already good but need to be correcetd to make it better. Say love, if u have ever loved, each good thought u have, each good action u show, corrects something futher. Ceratinly there is no need to ‘correct’ out of anguish. In fact correctiosn brought about by agnuish r short lived. Accepatnce & then further correction – that is development as per me.

That Story about Karna,

Mahabharata is an epic of us Hindus, the famous Gita ( may be u have heard of it, it’s like bible )is a part of it. There r many very very interesting charecters in it, 106 Cosuins, 101 on one side 5 on the other. One cousin the eldest of them all who would have been undisputed king is Karna, but he was born to his mom who was testing some boon, before her marraige and hence was abandoned.

Mahabharata is a very long story, comming to point- Karna was adopted by some ‘lower’ people and yet he gained the highest of knowledge in use of weapons from the gretest master of the time, but trecherously. When the ‘guru’ found out that Karna was not a chhatriya( memeber of the warrior caste) ( well actually he was ) he cursed Karna saying that he will forget all his knowledge in the moment of his most dire need. And so it happned. The fellow’s maganaimity was used against him a and he was killed. My observation over the years has been that – we too r like karna, we gather our knowledge but somehow when we really need all the wisdom, in a moment when say we r angry, or lustful or greedy, all our wisdom abandons us … why why oh why !!! is it because we lack awareness.

just relax.

regards

aditya

Kind regards to everyone

It’s the same with planet earth. It is increasingly giving us sings of somethings going wrong as well. We have to intervene. I believe our purpose here is just to evolve but somehow we forgot that along the way and became addicted to the wonders of the planet and of its pleasures, and that’s when the equation went unnbalanced.

We need to balance it again so that we can continue living here. Evolving, dreaming (like me…:)), keeping on serving our purposes, while seeing and enjoying the wonders of the earth in an even more pleasurable way. But it will not flourish miracuolously. We have to work for it. When I said we have to give up many things, I was referring to all of us. Obviously, the more you waste the more damage you cause to mother earth. The US, being the country of waste for excellency, will probably have to “sacrifice”, or give up, or change more. While some tribe in Africa, that lives more naturally and frugally, will certainly have to “sacrifice” less. Same aplies to each of us individually. I’m not saying we should all be poor, no. We should all enjoy more balance, that’s all.

Mirjam it’s so true, writting is more for ourselves. Participating in this discussion has reminded me that I have to accept God’s will, fully. Even if I don’t quite understand it at times.

Adyta, you have me curious, so what’s the magic formula?

Greetings,

Clover

As in the case of a very complicated machine, each little part has its own highly specific purpose necessary for the machine to run properly.

I think it is safe to say that none of us can tell what the purpose of every part is and how they are supposed to interact in the enormously complicated machine of the universe. The blueprints are not easily accessible.

Many of us do not seem convinced that this machine will run for much longer. Some of us are not even really sure what the machine was designed to do in the first place.

Others seem to do their best to redesign it.

Maybe we can at least agree that it is not likely that the designer expected any of us to perform all the functions of the machine on our own. It is more likely that we were supposed to do our part. No more, but no less.

Some of us maybe function as lubricants or fuel. Other parts may serve to burn that fuel to release its energy and set other parts in motion.

Hence, when we are trying to figure out what are supposed to do, I think we had better start with studying our own personal design. Gradually, we can then explore how our different features interact with the other parts next to us.

I definitely agree with Clover that each of us will have to give some things up in order to do our part properly. But I do not think that it is very easy to tell what those things are, especially in case of other people. In the area of telling others what to do, I think great caution is recommended.

I think it may also be worth noting that it is not a question of sacrifice strictly speaking. We are simply trying to direct our force to a particular purpose. And I do feel, personally, that the reward is so much greater than the momentary pain and trouble we occasionally have to go through.

Some parts of the machine remain unaware of their purpose all through their life time. Indeed, most of the parts probably do. But that does not mean that they are unimportant.

Remember the machine is running. That means that the different parts are doing their job, so far. Be careful if you decide to interfere…

The words we write are not just for the other to see, the words you write are words to yourself. So, what I write are words to myself too. We learn about ourselves from interaction with others. So: I learn from you too. We are never too old or too wise to learn.

I can come out strong, because I had to throw down many walls. Many opinions about me were lingering in my head. And one of them was: you are a very silly and stupid girl. And instead, what I’ve always believed they put me down, these words made me stronger. I cannot stand walls or imprisonment. And sometimes I cannot stop myself, even when there are no walls anymore. It became a habbit.

If you would know me, you would know that I’m just a harmless girl. Doing small things, like saving an insect. Even when we think we are alone, there is always life and that comforts me. Whatever we do, these little creatures are doing what they always did. That’s also the Comforting Zero. Knowing that we are small and we do not have the power to change everything. Knowing that every bit and piece has its use and function.

What I mean to say is that we do not have to correct ourselves. We have to accept ourselves. Looking in the mirror and seeing what a wonderful bunch of colours we are (thank you AVC).
I do not feel enlightened, I do not know what that means. I just know that in my darkest hours there was always something to amaze me, I found light in, for instance a small spider. And I followed the signs of others. So, my ‘wisdom’ and ‘answers’ are not mine, I just found it in the river, in the undertow.

So, I feel sorrow when we try to correct or wipe out the small miracles of life.
So: you are wonderful as you are. Now, tell us your story.

Love,
Mirjam

Hi !

Thanks u liked those questions which have been botehring me too !
U r right, needs are something diffrent from desires but then how to know the diffrence !

And about others taking care ou say Christ or buddha etec etc. I mean is that I am afraid, i don’t trust nature enough, that i don’t test it.may be nature will take care even if we stop earning our wages. But the again in present times will it not be better to earn a living first, if enligthenment is then there is no need to rush towards it. God.if he exists, has creatde such a beutiful world, pschycedellic really, why not enjoy it a little more, what is the hurry. This is how I think / feel on th issue.

regards

aditya

PS : For Deb ! who is honest !!! ha ha ha

While thanking you for your advise and your last para’s ( I know I do really need to look at the sky more often while not forgetting the earth on which I stand ) I did not like your lack of comapssion for my first para. I am sure u have been reading those outburts of frsutration from diffrent people. Now whoever is frstrated, he needs to correct something, whoever is not in bliss needs to correct something, r we not told often enough that bliss or peace or whatevr u may call it is our real nature, whoever has not yet found his/her real nature has to ……
When u say no correction is required ( and there again if say i am lame or dark or white or whatevr or ahve this or that chromoseme, if the matter is troubling me then I need to either corrcet the situation so that my botheration will go away or i have to become ‘ enlightend’ i.e. correct myself till it bothers me no more, no that will be wrong it it bothering me does not displease me too …, if u have already arrived to your real natuire, till u have become enlightend so to say, assuming that no correction is required will be dangerous. If u r anything but happy, blissful, … way to go.

And I am writing it in the hope that u will listen compassionately. please allow. mean it whenh u say that u r happy to see me here.

I have made a tall claim !! somethmg which can solve half of the probelms of this world. won’t u like to hear what it could be ??

regards

aditya

To alling to the macrocosmos, and preserve human life on earth, we have to go back to some basics. We will have to sacrifice many of the habits we have gotten accostumed to for the last centuries. Not an easy task in our consumism obssesed and money driven world though. Your reply might be: That will be God’s will, right? So long as we listen to him and follow his plan, I have no problem with that…:P

Hugs to all,

Clover

Thank you Paulo (the macrocosmos must be smilling through you).

Those are good questions: Can I live without desires? Is it worth living without desires?

I’m assuming you mean desires beyond ordinary ‘need for survival’ desires. Because, if we take it to the ‘picky’ stage…even a desire to eat, is a desire. I know…we all tend to get so detailed in our answers – get carried away!

Off the ‘top of my head’ and without thinking this through, I’d say that it’s possible to live like that, using the great spiritual masters as examples, as you have. I imagine that it could be a fulfilling life, if you are perpetually living in the moment and your needs are taken care of for you by others. Yet, on the other hand, because the Universe in constantly moving and changing, and everything tends to move in a positive direction…towards growth, I expect that it perhaps goes against our natural state. (?) And that’s why it’s so hard for the average person to live without desires. Because growth involves change, involves movement, involves not staying the same, not stagnating, and so our need to change manifests in desires.

That’s all that’s come to me from the surface of my mind. I’ll have to think further on this, as it’s an interesting question. And, I look forward to hearing others’ opinions on it, as well.

Love,

Deb :) Who desires to shut her mind off from thinking of desires.

Dear Aditya: nice to have you back. As a reaction to your words I would like to say to you: correction?

Somewhere in time a blueprint of the human being was invented, a kind of standard to which we all had to measure ourselves. The reason for that was: Love, really the most important of all. All = Love. And somewhere in time, that average was misused and abused. It was used for ‘correction’. Who needs to be corrected? What are the standards? When you have a big nose or red hair? When you are yellow or blue or brown or red or whatever? When you are female or male or none? When you are a child or a grown-up? When you fall in love with men or women or both? When you are from India or U.S.A. or Sudan or Holland? When you have one arm or one leg? When you have green or purple chromosomes? When you have money or you don’t? When you are a director or an employee? When you have two working brain cells or two hundred?
And: who decides?

It hurts you know, when we play for God or Goddess. Let’s be children then and do what we have to do: for the Love of God. Kiss the ground you walk on and throw kisses in the sky, into the stars. When you only look at the Heavens, you might kill those little creatures under your feet. And when you take a look at them: you see the beauty and perfection of Creation. From A to Z. = 0.

Do not forget our children.

Love to you all.
Mirjam

Do u know what, I think, can solve half the problems of this world ( it solved more than half of mine ) ? U know it has to do with our inability to rest, our inability to sit idle, sit still !!!, sounds strange no! but u know why we see so much action, so many people turning either alcoholics or workoholics ( they r same, former destroyes only her/himself, the latter mostly participates in the overall destrection ). People r turning neurotics, hardly r there peole who r ‘aware’. We r having more isntances of ‘perverse’ behaviour. I have contemplated for long over the phrase ‘work is worship”. hitler too worked hard as all the ‘development’ engine captains do. But this saying is false, the real saying should be ‘Conscious Work is Worship’

Ya that solution which can reduce at least half the probelms of any entity which adopets it, if world adopts it then half the problems of the world……Solution is very very simple, so simple that it looks unplausibale. If only we can gather enough vioce, …… let’s see.

I am delibrately keeping the simple solution under wraps, a lttle longer !! ha ha.

Aditya

PS : Paulo is part of some super elite group of people who shape the minds of those who shape our science, our society ( the politicians ), other areas of our existance. If Paulo lends his support, he can convince these super elite people who can start an initaitive which will not cost anything ( other than may be salaries of a few hundred people ), this simle solution can make a diffrence really ( before any one takes offense, I must add – I feel ).

Enough on the macro and even larger scales. solutions lie with individuals, the WOLs. In his book Paulo somewhere says that the WOLs don’t associate too much with the probelms of the world, they focus on the immediate problems of the surrounding, of their situation AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

let’s get back to greed. what is greed. is not the root cause for greed our capability to desire. animals have needs but not desires. The additional powers that are conatined in the human mind, like capability to visualise, to lie, to imagine comes with a price, the possibility of sins.

If i stop desiring, can I stop being greedy ? Can I live without desires ! If Buddha or Christ are also born as humans then certainly we too can. I feel. Is is worth living if i live without desires. Is it worth living like a Buddha or getting crucified like Christ !!!

AVC, Mrijam, Paulo, Clover ( the flower ), kealan, joshephine and Deb ( and Angel.. if u happen to see this ) !! views, please !!!.

regards

Aditya

Besides the opposites of every day life that you have recognized, I feel that there is another pair that you may have overlooked.

The “comforting zero” (now speaking with Mirjam) applies to the universe at large; from the viewpoint of macrocosmos. However, from the viewpoint of the personal level – the microcosmos – things are definitely not as they should be.

As previously described, each of us is a small component in the great equation, interacting with the other components. Each of us has a particular role to play and a Will to affect its environment accordingly. That role may very well be to act strongly in the global environmental issues, to fight world poverty or perhaps to overthrow a cruel political regime.

Any contribution to this world, however small or pointless it may appear to us at a given point in time, can in fact be decisive to the course of events. Everything that happens is a necessary link in the chain.

Since we are the result of all forces having acted from eternity, it is difficult to arrive at any other conclusion than that our only obligation is to use all of our talents and powers to their fullest. In this way, we act in accordance with our Will and preserve the balance of the great equation.

So, from the microcosmical level, a lot of things appear as “wrong” and must be corrected. This is a responsibility that none of us can escape. But, knowing that “all is as it should be” from the macrocosmical viewpoint, we can at the same time see the beauty of existence and perhaps also be less judgmental of the means and ways of others.

The final desctruction of nature is yet to be seen. There is still time for every one of us to rise to the challenge and start doing what we have to do. Aligning microcosmos with macrocosmos – the Great Work!

For the larger question is, why do lemmings go and drown?