Comments on: The drunken disciple

By: katayoon

katayoon — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:13:15 +0000

wonderful , the reality of soil bare and pure

By: Leaf

Leaf — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:53:20 +0000

Jesus said, John comes neither eating nor drinking and you heed him not….I come, being accused of being a drunkard and a glutton and will you listen to me??
xxxx
The responses here I’m afraid do show, that we are very difficult to please, as a people.
LOVE

By: David Ibrahim

David Ibrahim — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:22:48 +0000

Like LOVE, giving TRUST to other people also involving risks.

By: aditya

aditya — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:06:06 +0000

It seems more a question of being a right student than finding ( or being :-) ) a right master !!

interesting how the dicsuiion on this blog topic shaped up ! for the given situation, where the msater suspects ( knows ! ) his disciples of vanity; he made the right choice, those who could gather the courage to stay on with the drunkard as their master would have certainly found enlightenment either way ! if the new master was ‘genuine’ ! no problem, the purpusi goes on as per traditions !! Had he not been worthy, then the very effort required from these disciples to keep the monastry intact would have been an ‘enlightening’ expereince for them !!?? (smile y )

By: aditya

aditya — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:51:45 +0000

was only knowing well the only criteria ! rainer u r more right although less romantic I will say !!

aditya

By: Yercox

Yercox — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:02:33 +0000

For luck or disgrace I had known many drunkards in my life, and I can insure they are the beings most incognito and unexpected that I never seen..

However it’s true too that virtue hides many things hidden..

By: Yza

Yza — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:46:57 +0000

Often, we cannot comprehend the wisdom given to our spiritual leaders. It seems absurd and lack of basis. But, in due time, we will understand. Just trust him and have faith in him. That is, if we are truly his disciple…

By: agnieszka

agnieszka — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:39:15 +0000

Dear Paulo
I love Your stories!!
This one is great!
For me it’s about love and trust – that should come together.
If this disciples chose this master in the first place they should trust that the choises he makes are good ones.
He chose somebody he knew (maybe wanted to give this person a chance to believe in himself again)and it doesn’t matter in what state this person is. We never know how we could react in specific situations.

Also – “nothing is what it seems”- what’s pretty outside may not be so pretty inside and the other way around.???
love
Agnieszka

By: Deborah

Deborah — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:33:03 +0000

This morning I interviewed a woman who provides rooms for recovering addicts who need a house to live in for a month or so while they transition into their new life. What I found most remarkable about the sober addicts was that they were as vulnerable as hatched chicks. In context of your post today, who better to entrust with wisdom?

By: agnieszka

agnieszka — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:19:14 +0000

Hello Paulo,
I love your stories!!!!
They make me think. They’re like little wise puzzles.
I’m so excited by them.
Back to the story: Too bad for those disciples – they couldn’t trust their master or at least ask questions.

“Nothing is what it seems” – sth pretty outside may be not so pretty inside and the other way around and this master knew that.

These disciples – maybe they just cannot trust anybody, ever if they couldn’t trust somebody they chose.???
For me love and trust come together.
love
Agnieszka
:-)

By: chehaw

chehaw — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:16:45 +0000

What a wonderful story. It’s a beautiful reminder of the value of just being who we are, and accepting ourselves.

By: agnieszka

agnieszka — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:15:18 +0000

Dear Paulo
I love your stories!!!!!
They make people think, and this is the big step to change what is wrong with us.
Too bad for those disciples that they didn’t trust their master or at least ask questions -why?
(if they chose him to be their master in the begging – they should trust him to make a wise choices)
It’s true that not everything which is so pretty on the outside is also good deep inside and the other way around.
“not everything is as it seems”- isn’t it?
P.S. If they didn’t have trust in their master – will they have ever with anyone??
:-) love
Agnieszka

By: rainer

rainer — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:06:32 +0000

this is a fine story, with an unexpected turn. Wouldn’t the pupils of a zen master study zen koans. Would they not meditate and learn, that words, respectively prayers won’t show the true nature of the world? Is alcohol not an obstacle for meditation?

Maybe I have read to much about zen to believe in the story, but to lay the responsibility of many pupils in the hands of one drunkard only to teach the others of their vanity ist tough.

.. after the master was buried his pupils said, well let’s get the h.. out of here and lets look for a master where we can learn zen. When the last wine was drunken, the drunkard get sober an opened an inn because he had to earn his living.