If we could have these eyes to see….

As I wrote before:
Everything happen for a reason.

love
Agnieszka

first of all I want to thank you for your interest in this discussion and for answering me once again.

I think we may not understand God with any human measures. For me He is the wise conception of the universe, which also includes natural katastrophies.
If you see it this way you are right - they are part of the evolution of our planet and have their own sense in the development of the earth (I have to mention I am a geographer and biologist), that leads in the end to us.

What makes me thinking is the imagination that God loves every human being on the earth and will his best - the imagination He is like a father giving us His shelter. In this point I will continue wrestling -which is not bad in the end, because it is a motivation to continue the search.

If you one day say “I’m sure in my believe” or the same would be “I don’t believe nothing at all anymore” you will have reached a point of stagnation in your development.
And concerning Jesus I know I am in good company - he asked on the cross: “Father, why have you forsaken me?” Think I will ask this question still sometimes more often, but I will not give up hope for rescue.

Lots of love
Monika

but there are times….

i feel so angry…
sometimes, i just want to hurt him…

it pulls me back.

I believe there are as many ways for us to learn in life as there are people - and life teaches us according to each one of us. As horrific as catastrophies as the Tsunami can be, when meeting pain and chaos, however we respond is important. And a lot of people also experience courage, endurance, mercifullness, wake-up calls, kindness, heroism, a tremendous life force and will to live in facing that kind of situations. Personally I think the Tsuanmi happend because of global imbalance in nature which is caused by humans - not God. But at the same time being part of it changed a lot of people´s lives, also because of goodness that came forth in themselves or in others.
I hope that you find what you need.

Sibila

It’s hard to explain such things you’ve mentioned, at least we as a human beings cannot understand it somehow, but if you look at that as the part of the evolution of the earth, part of the evolution of men, you can see that it affects our emotions, our thinking, our understanding of life, how this life is so precious, so fragile.
It shows that people should enjoy every little moment given to us, because it might be our last.

Today the priest at church said: that we are no longer homo sapiens, but homo “spectators”, we so attached to TV, computers, news, etc… and what is shown on the news…catastropies, tragic,”spectacular” moments.
That’s the message for us.
We should be thankful for every moment of our life, try to be better human beings for everyone, and everywhere, because we never know…
As for catastrophies, they happened before many times, even before any of us were born, that’s the part of evolution of our planet, evolution of our universe.
Why blame God for that?
Why blame God for killings innocent people? It’s the people who made it happen, don’t you think?
How about “Passion of the Christ”?
Watching it have you had any emotions? I bet you did?
And why? Because He died, so terribly, for who?
For US.
Why? Because of those horrible people who kill others, who make these attrophies happen. For all of us, who sin.
Could you say God was unfair, cruel, for His own son?
NO, it was for a reason.

lots of love
Agnieszka

I have read the book “The five people you meet in heaven”. I would really like to believe that “everything happens for a reason”. There are surely things that happen for a reason - this is an expirience I have made in my own life.

But when I think for example of the Tsunami - and this is only one example - I cannot believe that everything (!) happens for a (good) reason! Hundreds of people had no choise and no free will at all.

Or if you consider problems as a challenge, as Sibila does - which I think is doubtless true - what will God teach us through such katastrophies?

The argument of Sibila that God is not really a discussion issue because he is beyont our mental level does not satisfy me at all!