In Brida, a book of mine that will be published in various countries (from March onwards), the main male character, the Magus of Folk, has to pay a price for having used magic to conquer the woman he loved. Many times we see people praying to God asking for a certain person to approach them. Do you think that involving God and the spiritual realm in our romantic searches a fair thing to do?
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No, definitely not..and not only in our romantic searches..My mother prayed to God asking things for me that i didn;t want..for example to become what she wanted.. i think she still does.. i hate that..it is like black magic..we shouldnt involve others when we can never know if it is good for them..
If it is your True Will it is God’s Will. There is no difference.
If it is not, it will turn back on you, without doubt.
Dear Paulo,
It depends how do we understand it.
If we only share our desires, our fears, our love, if we talk to Him, if it’s only a wishful thinking, then it’s OK, but if we ask for a certain things to be done, if we ask Him to make something happen, to make this somebody to love us, then it’s not.
Why?
Because God knows better. We should trust Him. He knows what and who we need in our life. If this is that person, then he/she will show in our life, he/she will love us anyway, if not, then maybe we better off.
Everything happen for a reason.
I know that understanding that takes time. When we’re young we want certain things, and we want it right away, but with age comes wisdom, with age comes this trust. Trust in God, if we believe of course.
We cannot think of God as a Fairy with magic tricks, this can only turn against us.
Devil does tricks too, but they turn up badly in the end.
The real magic happens when we believe, when we follow the Light, not darkness.
It’s not worth a try, never.
love
Agnieszka
Depends largely on your beliefs. I think that is most important the people´s attitude. Let me explain: if you believe that you are doing wrong and unfair, then no further explanation is needed. If your intentions are good, in a pure heart and not selfish, I do not see what the problem might be in prayer and ask.
“Ask and you will be granted” Mt 7, 7-11
Seguramente no es justo. Quizá deberíamos pedir por cosas más importantes pero creo que lo hacemos más como una búsqueda de seguridad que como otra cosa. AL fin y al cabo es la otra persona la que tiene la ultima palabra. Siempre puede pasar como con el hombre que pedía ganar en la lotería y no jugaba nunca…
Todos tenemos un destino y una forma de encontrarnos con él, pero por mucho que recemos si no actuamos y si no está en nuestro destino encontrar a esa persona que nos atrae no haremos nada.
Con eso no digo que yo no lo haga, pero como digo creo que lo hago más para sentirme algo más segura si no veo claras las señales…
I dont think that praying to God for what we want or for someone in particular to love us is the same as magic. It keeps hope alive in our hearts that something will happen to help us get our hearts desire but God can choose to say no to the request, knowing what is best for all involved. How many times do we pray for these things, never to have them come to pass. It is simply that God has said no, not this time. Using magic is like trying to get someone to submit to our will, praying still leaves us in the mercy of Gods will.
Dear Paulo,
My answer to that is very simple, it completely depends on how I pray or send my request out. As I see it there is a high spiritual law in respecting
anyone´s free will and that law is simply not violated by divine consciousness.
14 years ago I had a prayer in me in a period over some months. I had realized looking at my experiences until then that I needed the divine in life to help me meet a man with whom I could be me and who could be himself with me. So my prayer was: I thank God for having the Divine right man by my side”. I met a man that to this day is my heart´s companion. He is a deep gift in my life and he keeps challenging me to grow. He is one of the persons who has taught me most about love.
Sibila Maria India
Yo pienso que no somos nadie para interferir en nada, ni siquiera para rezar para conseguir el amor de alguien. En todo caso habría que pedir Amor y desear que éste llegue con quien tenga que llegar, como tenga que llegar y donde tenga que llegar. Creo que es un error rezar a Dios pidiendo el amor de una persona en concreto, incluso pedir que nuestra pareja no nos abandone, etc. Veo más correcto rezar para que te llegue el Amor con la Fe de que Dios sabrá como dártelo de la mejor manera para tí.
un beso
i always keep in my mind what an old italian man once said in a movie i was watching and what usually my parents tells me “everything written there on the stars” … so even if we are praying or not.. God already made his decision about the right person to each one of us in this world and one day that person will approach ..
love
Dalia
Mary,
Do you believe that magic is something that God cannot control?
Otherwise, the magician must still be “at the mercy of God’s will”, no?
I think - though I’d like to know for sure:
You don’t have to be a magician to ask God doing something. If the prayer is pure, it’s fine - though a touch of selfishness will remain in such a wish, anyway… That is not good!
To use magic in order to get somebody: that will hit back in a bad way, for sure. There is a price.
What yours is yours by fate and that will belong to you anyway (at least for a while) - if you want so or if not.
If you tie somebody to yourself, you will eventually lose him/her. Until then you even lose a bit of yourself, too.
Not a nice thing at all.
God knows what’s best for us. I know in past situations I look back and think… “Wow, thank God.” If he’d given me what I thought I’d wanted, I wouldn’t have been as happy. He knows us better than we know ourselves. In my case, he’s always had something better in mind. However, “magic,” is a trick. You shouldn’t trick someone into liking or loving you. Being honest and direct earn respect. “You can not love something you do not respect.” I suppose ultimately it depends on what the magic was? :)
Ok, so I thing, it is no fair to do it, but if somebody does it, it´s only for his/her spiritual peace. the people who do it thing that if they pray to God something like that, It will resolve their problems. There is a little beat of hope in their heart. But normaly, I thing it is no good, because, even enough love is very important thing in our live, there are more things which are more important and we forget them. All good things for you, Mr. Coelho, I like your Books.
Dearest Paulo and friends,
I’ve been thinking about this very concept for a few months now, and simply said i find myself believing in what AVC said:
If it is your True Will it is God’s Will. There is no difference.
If it is not, it will turn back on you, without doubt.
However i must emphesis on the importance of knowing what you truely desire. I think that if you truely love someone, if you two are truely ment to be together the entire universe will conspire to get you what you want, beyond all doubt- and as i believe, the creator of the universe and all its virtues is God. I don’t think it is wrong to pray ro God to bring love into your life, i don’t think its wrong to pray to God for anything your heart truely desire, because God is the one thing that knows you inside and out, through and through and by not praying to him or her about something we want, could only be out of fear, and with God, we should not fear, we should only love, and thus truely believe.
Thank you for being
Yajna
We can wish to approach some persons, but “involving God and the spiritual realm” in doing so, could mean we may interfer with other’s will.
That’s why, as to me, it’s not only unfair, but bad.
Blessings.
Cuando era jovencita le pedí a Dios que me enseñara a amar a un hombre. Recurrimos a Dios cuando lo que nos pasa se escapa del dominio de la razón, entramos dentro del misterio, de lo que no conocemos con nuestra mente.
El hombre no debe hacer nada que vaya en contra de él mismo, si utiliza la magia para el amor, debe saber que la magia dura por un tiempo y al final la magia se vuelve contra el.
rosa de los vientos.
Personally I can’t imagine using magic to attract someone or anything, because I really don’t consider myself wise enough to know what’s best for me, let alone for someone else. I couldn’t live with someone if I knew I’ve attracted them that in that way. It will always catch up with you, like it does in Brida.
When we’ve fallen in love with someone, we’d like to have that person in our lives, we want to get romantically involved with them. Even though it’s not always the best thing. So I think that many things that don’t happen the way we want them to, will turn out to be blessings in disguise.
I’ve did lots of silly things, I didn’t care to be a fool in the face of love. And when that love’s meant to be it doesn’t matter. It will happen. If not, then you can do everything humanly possible, but it just won’t help. And that’s how it should be.
I’m not together with the love of my life, but I’ve learned to live with that. I’ve prayed to God, asked him to bring us together. But I also got on my knees asking Him to help me to get rid off the love I felt, because it caused me a lot of grief.
Guess what, God didn’t help me the way I wanted Him to.(no big surprise here) I did ask him however to give me a very, very specific sign, if He thought it was time to let go for me. And He did. So God listens, He just doesn’t grand us every wish or gives us everything we think we want. I don’t see God as the Big Puppetmaster.
However, I ofcourse still talk to God, Mary, Jesus, various Saints and Angels. ;-) I’ve recently asked them to protect me from various things, but I leave it up to them, they see the whole road ahead, I think.
‘You can’t always get what you want
But if you try sometimes
You might find you get what you need’
The Rolling Stones
I think that romantic love is very spiritual and like all forms of love has a lot to do with God. I absolutely think that it is fair to ask God for help with love. Everybody can use a little help and I think that if your wish is sincere, it may be granted.
Yes, absolutely. I always pray to angels. It works.
Getting God involved in our life is not bad actually is the best thing that we can do, witouth him there would be nothing…
It’s fair to ask only to bring it into consciousness. Don’t expect God to deliver the answer you may want to hear.
Only when your belief is so strong, that it reaches the level of knowledge, you transcend the fear.
But do not fool yourself knowing what is a lie.
Only know what you know to be the truth.
Love, Light, Life
Pray for the smile,
for shining stars,
for the untouched places,
for…. paradise.
…………
When you fly like a bird,
higher and higher,
Where is the end?
love
Agnieszka
Once there was an young man who fell in love with a beautiful girl.He prayed to God to help him in his romance.He prayed for her, prayed that she become his wife,fasted on wednesdays,asked for signs from Him to reassure himslef that God is going to help him with his romance. The young man saw favourable signs or thought they were favourable signs from God.And one day God heeded his prayers and the young man married that girl.They were happy.The envy of others.They were so tuned to each other.They were happy with each other.Everyone said they were the best couple ever.And they were. Six years went by and one fine day(or rather one night) he found out that she was having an affair with her colleague.He forgave her hoping that she will realize her mistake and come back to him. But she left him.His desperate pleas didn’t bring her back.She had gone forever.He couldn’t tell anyone that she had left him.There was nobody to turn to.He turned to God for comfort and consolation.He opened his Bible for a sign, for some consolation.The Bible opened to the page with a verse underlined by him long long time ago “…the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.” He read that verse again and kept the Bible aside.He understood that though God had given her as his wife, she was not God’s choice for him.And it took another two years for him to find the woman God had chosen for him.But this time the young man didn’t ask for anything.Just left it to God himslef.
That young man is me.
Dear Christine,
Whatever smart things I might have written, I still love yours (below)! I’m still selfish…
:)
Christine
Feb 20th, 2008 at 1:21 am
I think that romantic love is very spiritual and like all forms of love has a lot to do with God. I absolutely think that it is fair to ask God for help with love. Everybody can use a little help and I think that if your wish is sincere, it may be granted.
I have read the book and really liked it -Paulo would you teach us the traditions? Would be so neat if we could all recognize our soulmates by the lights up the shoulders… just wishful thinking…:)- The thing is he knew he was breaking a law by using his powers in this way, so the poor chap got punished as a normal consequense of his act. Praying for a wish of love might be different though, I don’t see anything wrong with it. I always desired to find my soulmate, sometimes I prayed for guidance because I just felt it so strongly. I guess it was my true will in life.
I have. The strange thing is that Like Brida I think I have 2 soulmates, both mad though… haha
Hugs,
C
When I ask God to help me with the one man I truly love, I mainly ask for guidance. I pray that god will give me strangth and courage to pursue my desires and to accept whatever may come of them. I think there comes a point when a person has to realize that love just is. No one, not even god, can make a person love someone if they do not. And why would you want them to? I believe that if it is a part of my path then this man will one day forgive me and take me back, and if not, then there is something else out there for me. I don’t ask God to intervene, I ask him to guide me along my journey.
God is love…if you really love that person it’s fair but you have to be sure on your feelings
depends on what you mean with magic and what you mean with conquering…
if he used “magic” to make her merely interested in him, the “magic clothes” will
sooner or later fall off, and if her interest
have not developped into love he will “loose” her.
Love is not about conquering, it’s about
letting free. You can in no way “own” the
feelings of another person, they come and
go and are under constant revision and change. Every day a bit of water and sunlight…
I believe that Buddha gives me strength, he listens to me, but he is technically not a god. I do not believe however, that gods should give you what you want, they should merely help you if they see that you are willing to do whatever it takes to achieve or gain something, or indeed lose something.
I don’t agree that we should use God and other celestial influences to get whom we love. But I do understand that love can be blinding and weaking and makes a person want the other one at all costs. Only maturity and life teaches one the right way.
I consider it completely harmless and not unfair at all. Whether it works or not in the end depends on mental vibrations between the two people - if the person we want to approach has an antenna to receive, it may work - then it works on the basis of free will, even when it maybe happens subconscious. If the desired person is not ready to receive, I am sure, you can pray day and night without any success.
Dear Paulo and dear readers,
For me, praying God isn’t magic but maybe it’s white magic. So, using magic to that goal is not fair and it will surely cost you a lot. But, I don’t think that praying isn’t good, if your prayer is bad, for many reasons, you will simply not be granted.
In fact, when you’re in trouble and you have nobody to turn to to get a solution to resolve yours problems, you eventualy have a talk with God. That’s exactly what I did.
So i did ask to see again my beloved one and I’ve been granted more than once to my own atonishement!
But this lack of faith in God play me a trick, I didn’t have the strengh to take her back even if the hardest part was done!
I was not ready, too much lack of confidence in me, too much caring about what do people say and too tired of that useless fight (that’s what I though on the moment but now I know that it is the most beautiful fight and only and inner fight and maybe I was just afraid or impressed or lazy).
I did let many occasions passing by, I had enough of all that so I left the country but still I’ve got her in mind. I decided then to change my request and after a little prayer on that sunny afternoon in the park, I asked God: “is she the woman of my life? if so give me a sign.”
After a little breeze caress my face, I get up and walk a few steps and met her sister!
Since, I met her again on few occasions but still didn’t have the nerve to fight and was still angry with her or with me, I still don’t know.
What I know now is that U may have all the help in the world if you’re not ready it’s no worth at all.
The only one that can save U is U;)
And the price you pay is your sanity.
Thanks
Love
Damien
God is involved, without us even asking him to be..
A lot of times, us asking for love, or a person to approach us as you put it, wouldn’t really work..and asking for “no love” which i sometimes find myself doing..is a foolish thing to do..
If there is love, you can’t stop it, and if there isn’t love, you cannot force it..
and God is the hand which moves love closer to us, or further away..
we just need to accept it.
Love,
Walaa
I think that you should speak for the right man/woman the divine selection to be given to you by your divine right .otherwise you can be violating a spiritual law, if this person is meant for you ,then you cannot loose them,but if not then you can ask for the right one ,this is the law of substitiutuion/seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness,and all these things shall be added unto you ..the kingdom is within man…as we know …be careful for what you ask for ….Blessings Tania
“Ask, and it shall be given you” as old as time and the essence of our journeys. It is the foundation of all our discoveries and the expression for all desires.
It is also what we all do one way or another to whichever entity in whatever situation consciously or not.
Now using unorthodox methods to obtain what our selfish senses desire is a different question and very debatable.
Love to all
Milou
I shall only pray for things to happen, that I know will happen.
It is fine to pray to God for everything and anything. The biggest wrong people make is to stop praying once they get it.
Mais toujours pas en France ! :(((
I don’t believe that God would do that. Maybe he would create chances, but I don’t think he would take away a person’s free will. That was one of His ultimate gifts to us. I don’t believe God would force Love.
I believe that if we pray, god will listen. But I think and probably god will too that it is a bit selfish to pray only when we want something. Only when there is a personal interest
If that is the case, I doubt he will grant what we wished for.
This is only proof that people resent and are disheartened by those who do get their hearts desire. Who on this site, or anywhere is to say who got their hearts desire through black magic and who did not?
How many people, realistically, do you even know who got their “true love” through black magic? I know of none, because I know of none who are with their “true love.” They are not with their “true love/hearts desire” because like everyone else in this world, no one waits too long. They marry and have sex with the first person whos is kind to them, or who will ask them to marry them. That is why so few have their true love/hearts desire.
This book is only confirmation that people are resentful, suspicious, and jealous of any one who does get their hearts desire/true love, because it is so rare in this “gotta have anyone” who wants me world!
Very sad that this book was even written, even sadder that this is an issue on a forum. Anyone and everyone who does gain/have their hearts desire, is now to be seen as suspicious, or undeserving, because YOU are miserable, unhappy, jealous and clearly NOT DESERVING. Well, that will be your Karma to deal with, but I don’t think it is up to the author or anyone else to be examining another’s good fortune or happiness and spending untold hours wondering at and questioning another’s BLESSED good happiness.
Comentaré en castellano, porque hoy me siento corta de palbras en Ingles.
El acto de pedirle a Dios es un asunto individual y por razones espirituales individuales.Es mi alma la que necesita el consejo y el apoyo divino. Pedir a Dios que actúe sobre el alma de otra persona es pedirle que actue contra la libertad que El mismo nos otorgó desde la creación, que es el libre albedrio. Es pedirle que atue en contra de sus mismos preceptos y normas.
Puedo pedirle en cambio, que me otorgue el suficiente amor como para compartirlo con otros, la suficiente sabiduria y astucia como para encontrar por mis propios medios la manera de conquistar al otro. La suficiente paciencia para emprender el camino de la conquista y la suficiente riqueza de mi alma como para mostrarle al otro lo más hermoso de mi y así ganar su amor. El amor entre los humanos es asunto humano, el amor de un humano por Dios y con Dios, es asunto de cada quien.
Las pequeñas conquistas que implican el intercambio entre corazones y almas deben lograrse no dominando al otro con artificios, sino mediante la elevación y refuerzo de las virtudes propias. Apoyarse en artificios para lograr conquistar el amor de otra persona no garantiza el exito, solo es un trofeo obtenido a la fuerza que tarde o temprano me causará mas daño que felicidad.
El amor es libertad, y se debe entender que somos libres para amar, así como para no amar.
I believe in Destiny…mean that yes, i will pray and ask angel to led my road and to put the most things i want on it… but i will believe in them…as well, also those angel with a six sense who told in advance the road of your destiny.. ..that’s there that i feel as a liar…or that i know too much..and then ..that’s the price for me to pay…for having used that `magic`…
God is all powerful. When we pray to God with love and positive feelings with enough faith for persistence, it is universal spiritual law that it shall be given. Though we have to bear the results(price of the gift) of wish. We alone are responsible for what we ask and what we receive. If only we maintain our state of mind in the thought that what ever is happening is for my benefit then what ever we receive is a gift we enjoy and grow with. If we start becoming negative and begin blaming others for the imperfect choice we have made then no matter what great gift we may receive from God, it shall remain as price being paid for the mistake of not being positive and faithful once the gift is received. So it does not matter where one involves God, gift received can turn into punishment if one cannot deal with it and remain positive and faithful to God, and becomes a stepping stone to liberation if we remain positive and love God.
For one who loves God, every moment is enjoyable, every relationship is a gift and every breath is bliss. Then there is no need for another human being to be romantic. We become source of love and peace like angels. Angel have companionship of God because they never asked for anything else. If we want anything else then we cannot become an angel.
Asking for someone to love you is different from asking for someone to approach you,in my opinion.in the first case you are forcing a situation,but when you ask for someone to only approach you you’re giving that particular person a choise.You’re only asking for a chance and from that point anything may happen.
I agree that it’s not fair at all to involve other people in your prayers since one never knows what’s best for the others. I sometimes pray to receive love but I do not want to commit my dreams with people I already know. I prefer dreaming of someone not present yet. I just hope that the person to come will be the one for whom it’s best to be beside me.
The cosmic power or the power of the God manifest in every thing in the universe. It is neither good nor evil. It does not have a charector of itself when manifesting in any object, but shows the charector of the object or the being or its desire. Thats why making a choice becomes important. The wise ones just feel and enjoy that power but seldom use it, and if they do they do it for their personal spiritual evolution alone. There are a million different way you can enhance your your spiritual evolution. Persuing wisdom, love,charisma, physical agility, visions or anything.
The source of our love for the other is God. It is not necessary to ask. God does not exist. Love does. Love is God. God is love. The manifestation of it. Nothing else matters.
There is a moment in time when the world aligns itself with what a person needs. When we as individuals ask for something that we want, one has to make sure that it is what one needs.
No, it is not wrong to get God involved in assisting you in what your heart is attuned too. But, one must be clear - this I belive - that when a person prays to God to bring that special person into one’s life, the clarity of this request must reflect the maturity of your ’self’ and the path of the journey you are in.
This is importantt to understand because the path you are in is also the path in that of the partner you are seeking. And like the plots of two coordiantes, these two souls will eventually meet, because through your faith and love, God always answers!
…I always state this quote which I once read, “…that what you are seaking, is also seaking you!”
for me, it’s OK to ask for help or guidance - it’s just an expression of hope.
And anyway, if it’s meant to be, then the wish would be delivered. If not, then maybe there’s someone else better waiting for you out there..