By Paulo Coelho
The two hardest tests on the spiritual road
are the patience to wait for the right moment
and the courage not to be disappointed
with what we encounter.
(Veronika decides to Die)
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Patience is a big ‘lesson’in life.
We have to be able to reduce the ’speed’ of our ‘thinking’ and gain the ability to stay calm and accept a delay without complaining. We are usually so anxious to see..results, that we lose the beauty of planning, preparation and ..dreaming ..
Dreams are always illusions. Our fantasy carries us to Utopia. We imagine the IDEAL. But the Ideal belongs to the …world of Ideas and we..live in the material world. We need, really, courage to face… reality and then….live without a Dream.
Love,
Thelma
I thought the IDEAL conduced us to grow better, and walk on the path of our dream…
Anyway, what you wrote here Paulo makes me think about renounciation. Whatever we want to reach to, the most important thing is that we enjoy each beat of our heart. Without waiting for others to fill it, but being naturally held by love in the Whole. The best path to hear other hearts, by the way.
I think I’m in, nowadays, but I’m not really sure it will last. I’m just a human. But I understood why I have to live without persons or things I could dream about. I have a clue now. God’s will is clear, for this. For my better.
Love.
So true, my dearest Thelma.. we live in a material world…And that is so difficult sometimes to accept…and get used to..I m talking from my point of view..and what i know of myself..i m not a materialistic person..nothing material can give me joy..and so, facing reality, this material world , is like a stab in my heart sometimes..
all we ever need , i think , is love..and nothing else..
my head is to heavens..but unfortunately my feet to the ground..
Love and Graditude
Annie
Excuse my language, but patience sucks! I’m a very inpatient person, who have often heard; step on the break, slow down. I just cannot. It’s not my personality. Disappointed? My brother used to say, when I was dating; to multiply with eight any negative trait i saw in my suitor, and it would give a picture of how this person really is.
Hmmmmmmm I think I am fairly patient on some things ,overall I think I have been pretty understanding of most of my lessons ,yes the right moment - having clear understanding and communication helps you to see the possibilities in reality rather then day dream about them or imagine all sorts of things ..I guess at some point we all wonder when it the perfect time or moment -alot of people try to plan having a family around this - oh when we pay of the house or when I have a better job or when we save a bit more …but as I always when is a perfect time -If something feels so right - we should trust what we feel and If we want it bad enough we wont be disappointed,we may have to make some adjustments or changes to our life ,and maybe experience things we never had before but it goes for all of us ..Blessings Tania
Mr. Coehlo, you must come from a privileged family. Most people will starve if they wait for the so-called “right moment.”
Good day to all of you.I enjoy reading your views after I have expressed mine, so I will be able to learn from you and ‘correct’ my mistakes…
My dearest Annie, it seems that our ‘ancestors’ Plato and Pythagoras are deep in our …Souls!
Dear Chris Moran I think, you did not notice the word ’spiritual’. Unfortunately we live in the material world as ADAM & EVE outside the Garden of Eden. You remember : To work for your food and you Eve, with pains to have your children…! We must accept our FATE.
Love,
Thelma
I am a very petient person but how can we know what it is the right moment? And often times just prepare ourselves to be disappointed because we already know what is to come. But, I guess that I shoudn’t train myself to be disappointed because I wouldn’t know what it would feel like to be satisfied and surprised.
-Angeline
One’s spiritual road is the path to fulfilling his destiny and finding himself.
A world-class runner has broken his leg..He must have the patience to understand and accept that these were not the Olympics he could have won the medal..his time hasn’t come yet…eventually, in the next Olympics his leg will be stronger and his will to win and fulfill his destiny will not be able to be defeated by any opponent. His achievement will be even greater in his mind..But first he needs to show courage not be disappointed and give up. And there lies his soul’s greatness.
Dear heart,
Lol: “patience sucks”. You’re true, sometimes it does. Happy to read here an idea overflowing a bit…
Chris,
We’d be enthralled to know what you’re doing for those “starving” people. Tell us about dear.
“Man need not always live by bread alone.There us something else.We do not know yet what it is; but some day we ll find out ; and then we will live on that alone; and there shall be no more digging nor spinning, nor fighting nor killing.” - Eve (In the Garden Of Eden) - George Bernard Shaw..
Till then….patience my friends……….
Love and Graditude
Annie
Dear Thelma,
Do you really believe in that fate? As for me, only men conduced to it. Nothing forces us to “work for food and Eve, with pains to have her children”. Because a lot of people work for passion before doing for food, and many women don’t hurt while they give birth.
Genesis is now really impugned. First by the Son, if I could remember… And no matter if one considers here I’m blaspheming.
Since New testament, we believe in One only God. Though the Ancient talk about several ones, isn’t it? Then, people believe that we were punished for having sex or, for the fate we received knowledge from the snake. I’ve not the truth, but what I feel is that we are living that fate, because as you say, we are accepting it.
It’s just a good thing for authorities. They like it! They need slaves to work for them to have party, and many seem not to be bothered about.
But God is surely not that nastly daddy you seem to fear. Isn’t “He” letting us doing what we want? So why enforcing words to God, when they come for men. The real book is only binded in our heart. Is this what yours tell you?
Love.
Dear beautiful Wanbliska and friends,
I think here we do not speak about Old or New Testament or ‘religions’. I believe and I have many times said, that we ‘all’ are the same, under any religion, colour or ‘class’. We all were born naked and we will die eventually ..
The only thing that counts, as my loving father has taught me, is to respect every human being, and our deeds and behaviour count! I believe that you all agree to that.
I have jokingly spoken about ‘fate’, because we all know that we do not live in Eden to eat fruits from the trees.. [Chris Moran above, was asking if Pauolo Coelho comes from a privileged family].Do you object to that? I am a mother of two daughters and I know that modern medicine has helped women and men regarding Pain and suffering.
Last and not least: do you believe that I, Thelma from Cyprus, have ‘God as that daddy I seem to fear or that I enforce words to HIM that come from men..It seems that instead of a Blog it has become a tower of Babel.
LOVE to all,
Thelma
Hi everybody,
good this discussion !
Dear Heart ,
I am patient person but you are right, patience indeed sucks !
Dear Wanbliska,
why do you take it with Cris, why should he elaborate his thoughts !? Why should he do something for “starving people” and only then have right to speek out ???
and dear Thelma,
I do not think we have to accept our FATE, why should we ?
And what is The Fate you talk about ????
We have to accept death, we have to choose love, we should take risk, we should fight for our credo !
Love
Luce
My dear friends, there is no need to provoke one another..There is no reason to do that…Misunderstandings happen…(S*it happens - sorry for the word :) )
My dearest Thelma, you know my opinion of you, i believe truly and deeply that you are such a beautiful person, you are a human, so rare to find humans these days, and you have gathered great knowledge during this lifetime, and that is obvious from the way you speak and the words you speak..
Love you
Love and Graditude
Annie
Well, I´m an inpatient person so patience is a test and courage not to be disappointed also. But that they are the hardest tests on the spiritual road? No. I think tests work individually on us because each and everyone of us is different and is learning each our own things here. that said I think there are tests that are more demanding on any soul than patience to wait for the right timing or to handle disapointment.
Dear Thelma and Annie,
Excuse me if I hurted you by my words, it was not intended !
Polemics are sometimes good as they make us think and clear misunderstandings.
Ever since the war (in Croatia and my home town Dubrovnik)I put everything under question mark, I do not accept anything for granted any more, and I believe that everybody is creator of his own fate ( if not completely then in great part ).
You see how Paulo has reunited all of us, and we are so different, from different countries, mentalities, cultures,
traditions, age….just name it !
This is realy precious, not our diferent view.
Thank you !
Love
Luce
Ohh the hardest test of them all are for me anyway, patience and courage to take a risk ;-)
I have always been so eager to go forward, but when I was ill,
I couldn´t any longer just go on.
I had to reflect and have patience.
And courage … something bad happened to me when I was
14 years old.
After that I locked my heart in ..for no one else to see the
real me.
But this also made me sick I believe, and now I have started do discover the real me.
To be able to show all my emotions, and be able to show my vunerability. That has opened up a new world for me :-)
I´m not alone .. we are all afraid to be left alone and we may think that noone understands us.
But when our masks fall we discover that there is a lot of people that feel the same way.
So we should build bridges not walls :-)
Love Jessica
Dear Luce, the Fate I mentioned above is the fate for all of us to be born humans on this Planet. This is the crucial minute.Do you object? Can you become …something else, let’s say a bird, a tree or an Angel? Of course, I would prefer to be an Angel and never have come on this Planet, but since I am here I make my best I can with my abilities, mind and possibilities. I have already said that I am nearly as old as Paulo Poelho, born in 1948, life has taught me a lot… Of course I am here with you and bodily age has nothing to do with the age of Soul. If Paul from Austria was ‘here’ he could affirm that….
My dearest Annie, you know my love to you and everybody else. I am just a seeker of Truth and Love and maybe a ‘young at heart’ dreamer… Have a nice Sunday afternoon.
Love,
Thelma
We can be honored for our patience and our courage.These two values are a key for a better life.They exist
because dreams are a part of us and whatever we can
encounter we continue to imagine wonderful things.If our
spirit and its power die,we die .Like Véronica.
Thanks to Paulo Coelho because he really helps me to get
courage and patience through his books and his blog.
Dear Luce,
Because I’m curious.
Love.
Dear Thelma,
“I think here we do not speak about Old or New Testament or ‘religions’. I believe and I have many times said, that we ‘all’ are the same, under any religion, colour or ‘class’. We all were born naked and we will die eventually ..”
I agree with you. Since Didn’t you talk about Adam & Eve? Thought they were the protagonists of the bible, weren’t they?
As for Eden, I think we are living in, but we can’t see. Indeed, there are people that put a sky after death, and some that are living in, because Earth is hanging in it.
Why the fact you live in Cyprus could influence the way you see “Daddy”? And how should I know?
I was just questionning, in regard to the “fate” you were writing about, and which I don’t consider as one…
But you’re a beautiful person I know: I was just interrrogating about the lot.
Have a delightful afternoon.
Love
Dear Annie,
We are all different, with different points of view, with different manners to write; candidly or between words…
There’s no “s*.. happens” here: we are just talking from our feelings. Sometimes it could be interrogative, opposite. That does not mean we don’t love each other. But we accept we are different and use wise words, or better no angry ones, to exchange.
Opposite opinions are not equal to wars, but prove how our mind could see different ways, with the gift not to fight.
I wish you a lovely day.
Love.
Yes my dear Wanbliska, you are true, definitely we are talking from the heart..After all daring to be different makes all the difference
Love and Graditude
Annie
Dear Wanbliska you may be able to write or copy poems, but it seems that you cannot understand that simple english I write, or you just want to hide your behaviour behind ‘rhetorical’ questions?
Please, ask Paulo Coelho why he has put “Paradize Lost” in the Blog, to explain to you why I mention Adam and Eve!??
As the fact that I live in Cyprus I just wanted to put an emphasis of who I am, as from the start of me being here I have given my name, surname, place and without ..hesitation my photo. I do not hide behing anonymity and I am honest and free to express my views with sincerety, as anybody else.
And first and last I respect Paulo Coelho who is so kind to let us ’speek’ here as all the people that are here. There must be a ‘good’ reason for you to want to hurt people, but be carefull everything will be reflected on your precious aura.
Love,
Thelma
Thelma,
Thank you, I understand you well, and I am born in 1951 and with no special reason I’m happy to be on this precious planet Earth, happy that I learned about Paulo Coelho only few years ago and finaly happy to “know” and to be with all of you in touch this way. I am new to this, the first computer I bought year ago though patience is not my strong side.
Thank you for not being angry with me and for patience.
Love
Luce
Patience…what a treasure.
Love
All Ways
Hildegarde
Dear Paulo and friends,
Allow me share a story someone very wise once told me:
If you could imagine for a minute that God was the sun, and each of us stood in our own room. As we each look out the window, i see through a blue tinted glass, you a red, someone else a green, and all we end up doing is fighting as to which is the right God, simply because all we believe is what we see in our own box. If for a minute, we all stopped arguing and walked out our rooms we’d see that sun is not green or blue or red. The sun, is just light, and that light encompasses all colour.
Thank you for being
Yajna
PS I know this may seem slightly irrelevent as you’ll are not actually discussing religions, but in this case, try to think out of your room for a minute. Thelma, i understand fully what you mean, life is not a dream at times and honestly, when i am your age i dnt know what my opinions of dreams will be. I just know, like wanbliska said, that dreaming motivates us to get where we want in life, and i find people without a dream suffer far more than people fighting for theirs. Tell me, what is your ideal world?
anyway.. i love u all..
“How can we notice the moment when the night ends and the day begins?..
when a stranger comes to us and we take him as our brother and all the quarrels disappear.”
Paulo Coelho
love to you all
Agnieszka
I am going to jump in again -to say Yajna is on the money on this one ..it would be like all the colours trying to say - that Red is better than purple or blue ,or green is more important for everyone than yellow the colour of the sun …what happens when colours join together they form a rainbow -a bridge that unites all as one - yes each colour has been given to us to enjoy and experience its true beauty .I think you all are very unique ,special people who all have at one time or another all patiently wished upon a rainbow -regardless of weather it was sunny -overcast or raining .. plus I think all the opinions here are that rainbow …Love and Lighting Patience ..Tania
hi ! freinds !
a free flowing conversation may go on tangents, that is OK.
spiritual path - in Inida, a saint called “Shirdi Sai Baba” has been becomming increasingly ‘popular’ in last 30 years or so, although he had taken samadhi sometime in first quarter of last century. his ‘mantra’ was ’shradhha & saburi” saburi means patience and shraddha means trust that a power higher than ourselves knows what is best for us, shraddha is an antidote to disappointement.
have a nice time,
love
aditya
Dear Yajna, I wish you and all of you a nice week. I am answering to you in a hurry because I have to go out to do some jobs…
Just because you ask me above ‘what my ideal world is’, I will tell you that this question was made and tried to be answered by all philosophers and prophets.. What can I add to that?
If, we people, instead of fighting with egoism and practising ‘cannibalism’, so that we will show that we are cleverer or better than somebody slse, just stop for a minute, look inside us and think! Just, if we -everybody would stop do to others what he doesn’t like to do others to him, if we can LOVE ourselves so much that we will be able to BE LOVE, then a better World may be born.
My dearest Paulo Coelho, here in this tower of BABEL, we are just a sample of the world..And yet we have not come to speak about money, authority of power.Do you believe that there is any Hope?
LOVE,
THELMA
I leave the blog for a short moment and return to find fighting children..;))
Children don’t have patience because they are hungry for knowledge… Adults are impatient because they want to fit as much life into the moment as possible… I am impatient with myself because I want to please everyone, especially my maker, all the time.
I used to get very disappointed, but by learning not to expect anything, this no longer happens…
Love, expect nothing & respect everything, Paul xxx
These are not my words - but I humbly ask you to reflect upon them:
Sri Chinmoy gave the following talk in the Chapel of the Church Center for the United Nations on Tuesday, 15 July 1975.
Patience is our unrecognised capacity; patience is our unrecognised achievement. Capacity succeeds; achievement proceeds.
Physical power, vital power and mental power are no match for patience-power. When physical power is misused against someone, the patience-power of that person will eventually triumph. In the outer life and the inner life, the victim will eventually succeed.
Human power is nothing short of animal power, destructive power, if we do not aspire, if we do not long for truth, light and beauty. Patience is our soul’s light. This light is always unconditional.
Here on the physical plane we notice patience in the mother and in the father. The mother’s compassion-light is patience; the mother’s concern-light is patience. The father’s wisdom-power is patience in his son. The father’s wisdom-power, his all-seeing wisdom for his son, is patience.
God created this world. In His creation vast He considers only one person as His friend: Patience. God and His Patience are inseparable.
God’s creation is not complete; perfection is still a far cry. God with His infinite Patience-Light aspires in and through each creation of His. God feels that His Patience-Light is a divine, magic power that can undo the past and transform it into the golden future.
There is nothing on earth that can undo the past but patience. If we have patience we can easily undo the past. The past is a morning mist, a meaningless experience in comparison to our future realisation. The past brought us the message of suffering, sorrow, weakness, limitation, bondage and death. Again, the soul’s light, which is patience, will eventually conquer delusion, illusion, temptation, limitation, everything undivine. God’s Patience-Light will conquer everything in and through us.
Man needs patience in order to discover what he truly is and God needs patience in order to make man feel not only that he is God’s son, God’s dearest creation, but that he is exactly the same as God. Man has to realise what he eternally is: God Himself. Man is now God veiled; with patience-light man will unveil his inner divinity. Man is God yet to be consciously and constantly realised and God is man yet to be manifested totally, completely and unmistakably here on earth.
Deliberately and consciously man claims something as his own which is not actually his: ignorance. But there is only one thing that man can claim as his own: God, nothing less and nothing else. Unless and until man comes to realise this, he will never know who he is. Man is divinity’s reality. This is the only thing that he has to discover: his real reality which is dormant within him.
When he is in the desire-life, each man should realise that in him there is God-seed. That God-seed is going to germinate eventually into a plant, and from a plant it will grow into a banyan tree. Again, when the same person enters into the spiritual life, he has to feel that the fruit, the eternal fruit, is already there just for him to eat. In the desire-world he has to discover God the seed so that he can grow and grow in aspiration. In the aspiration-world he has to discover God the fruit so that he can recognise what he eternally is.
Patience is our revealing and revealed faith in God, the Supreme Pilot, and our revealed and revealing faith in our own existence. Patience is our faith in our own discovery that we are not only of God but also for God.
The human cry that climbs up from the inmost recesses of our heart makes friends with patience in order to see the smiling face of Heaven and the Eternal Pilot. Again, the Eternal Pilot makes friends with patience so that one day He can see here in humanity’s cry the perfect liberation, everlasting salvation, complete illumination and total transformation of humanity.
15 July 1975
Chapel of theChurch Center of the United Nations
Welcome back, my dear Paul from Austria. you must have had a big laugh with the ‘hens’ fighting!!!The Tower of Babel… And today it appears from Paulo Coelho in the ‘question of the week’.. We will see where it will drive us this time…
I thank you so much for your role in aviation in 1974 in Cyprus. I I left you a message in the Daily Archive of August the 27th, ‘That which is funny about man’.
Love,
Thelma
p.s. I may be a peace-maker,Libra,but my ascendant is.. Scorpio. That’s why I do not accept any ‘fly’on my sword!!! T.
Dear Thelma,
My name is Catherine, Patricia, Pierrette Martinez
I live in France, Pau 64000, 85 rue Castetnau.
And my number phone is 06 99 16 25 11. Call me whenever you want.
LOVE
Miceterre
PS: If you have a look at the exhibition, You could find smiling in the sky…
Dear Wanbliska, thank you for giving me your name. I have already seen your photograph and I, remember, I had written to you how beautiful you are.
LOVE,
Thelma