By Paulo Coelho
Anyone who interferes in the destiny of others will never discover his own.
(The Alchemist)
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And sometimes….somehow. The good fight means to interfere…in the destiny of others. To discover your own. I think of Raol Wallenberg. Among more.
If this were true, nobody would be able to discover his own destiny - because everybody interferes anytime in the destiny of somebody else during his life. Regardless whether he plans it or unknowingly. There are interferences that belong to our destiny, but we don’t recognize this.
Does the idea of destination exclude the idea of accident totally?
Is the idea of the existence of accident in contradiction to the belief in God?
This is what I feel…we can only hear what we are ready for, so are others…So, we must always wait and prepare, and when we are asked for help…it is not to be considered interference…But, if we help without being asked…interference is selfish…and will not be beneficial nor ever be appreciated…hearting ourselves and others. thank you
Our lives interlace anyhow, whether we will it or not.
That’s one of the mystery of life. Every person we meet even if for a moment makes a difference, teaches us, changes us…
Any given moment that comes our way…may bring us…the rainbows..that can warm up our hearts for years..
love
Agnieszka
Yes, I believe you cannot bring someone to a path that brings them joy and fulfillment. They need to get there on there own when they are ready. A person can make suggestions, but the actual step has to be taken by the person you care for. There has to be readiness, understanding, courage. May we all travel on the path that lead to our destiny.
I agree with this .If its done with good intentions to help someone and its what that person is working toward and fighting for then whats a bit of help ..towards ones destiny ,alot of people today have only gotten where they are from interference from outside sources - but it was part of whole picture anyway -thats how God works I think ..I think what stops alot of people asking for help is there Pride ..But that is all ego stuff and in true essence …you should graciously accept any help given ..by God ,friends ,family -the universe always sends help ..Blessings and Get by with a little from your friends (good song )Tania
We do not interfere with the destiny of others… rather, we cross paths and sometimes decide to continue on the the same one… for we do assist our own destiny from time to time… by choosing the less trodden way…
Love & walk & dream & decide, Paul
PS: It is only my personal wish, that no one ever suffers, that I may continue on my path…
I think you are right, we all intfere more or less in everyday life of other people, but if we do it constatly and make it our way of living it definitely takes us away
from our own path
In a way person becomes like ship without weel.
Luce
If anyone ‘ínterferes’ with other’s destiny, I think that it is planned to be this way.
We do not know the whole PLAN. We are just a fragment, a small piece of the puzzle. As you, Paulo Coelho, said the other day, we are ATOMS, and whatever we think or do has an effect to others. Love shows us the way, if we only act through love.
LOVE,
THELMA
p.s. Dear Paul from Austria, your personal wish : that no one ever suffers, may be fulfilled by you too, being happy. We cannot carry the Cross of others, just help them to stand on their own feet.
Joy to the cloud dweller.
T.
Some countries, regions or schools have a Curriculum, intending to line up the program all students should follow. How can every student learn the exact same program? In my country, we have a nick name for this plan; the Monster plan (Mønster means Pattern, and this is a play with words). When the national curriculum didn’t work, educators found they could make individual education plans, where students could study, focusing on their main interest. From one extreme to an other. A balanced view would be half generalized and half individualized education.
The Church talks more about the Will of God than about destiny. My experience is, religious leaders understand God’s Will as a test of obedience. One shouldn’t do what one alone believe, but should take orders and do what your leader tells you to. Many saints was tested to the extreme, because their superiors never understood how God was communicating with them. I see this as spiritual abuse.
We should respect every individual opinion about what “destiny” is best for him/her. We should be extremely careful with giving any advice, and extremely humble facing any human being, because each and every one of us, has something valuable, nobody should take away from them or disturb.
..and.. we were given Free Will.
I think we can never interfere with someone else’s destiny because that’s why it’s called destiny, right? I think it’s intentional for us to get into someone else’s life because we may be a factor for something in his or her life.
As I thing of it, life can be sometimes be seen as a newspaper because so many people are contributing to make it and a person can never survive without anyone else right?
So, in the end our lives and our destinies are all entwined with each other and mayde that’s the way it’s supposed to be.
-Angeline
Dear Thelma, Angelina…
What is The Destiny ?
Who believes totaly in destiny ?
Does it mean that you have to give up your hopes, faith and love just because of destiny or someone’s actions that alter your way ?
I do not think so !
For me to believe in destiny is too restrictive, it is in a way Low of Jante ( Paulo wrote about it in his book )and fullstop.
I might be just fragment but my life and my path is definitely not planned to the end.
And, YES, there are people that are madling and pulling strings, altering …and I fight, and fight as long as it needs !
In the end I have my own destiny !
Love
Luce
Also, I do not interfere into other’s destiny as I respect their way.
That is the operative point luce,
everybody speaks here casual about destiny, but no one says accurately what it meant!
…and the discussion of the existence of a “Free will” in connection with the idea of destiny will be worth some more philosophic sessions! So let us approach it!
A human being defines his destiny with every thought, word and deed. This includes any effort exerted to control others. You can choose to channel energy into what you are unable to control around you or, you can choose to focus on your own life and exter effort to develop yourself.
Enjoying life is sharing happy (and sad?!) moments and feelings with people you see occasionally or often: through a message, a good unexpected conversation, the exchange of a smile, the feeling of connectedness be it near or far, inspiring the people around you, being ispired by them!
Love
Niek
When we interfere it’s part of destiny,…what doesn’t mean that we have to walk the way of another. Be yourself and let others be then we can all walk together in harmony.
Love
Hildegarde
No Hildegarde,
When we interfere it is act of will, our own will, otherwise it would not be used verb to interfere, if it was not interference !
And worse if it is meant to be part of someone’s other destiny !
At least I think so and the quoted sentence from The Alchemist for me is just fine.
Luce
Monika…books about these phenomena fills shelves in many good libraries ;)
As Energy follows taught ,the law of attraction is perfect to the state of mind and heart of another. In other words we get what we believe !
there is an old saying ” I will be believe it when I see it ” I prefere ,
“See it and you will believe it”
,In your life it appears in front of you,be it a helper ,healer friend or lover .Yes we affect and are affected all the time .All to the good of knowing ourselves better.Do we affect anothers destiny ?YES I hope so, With boundless love .
Audrey
Destiny, for those who are asking, is apparently a predetermined path to a future destination. Destiny may be seen either as a fixed sequence of events that is inevitable and unchangeable, or that individuals choose their own destiny by choosing different paths throughout their life. Destiny is fate, fate is destiny…
I believe that our Destiny is God’s will… we can either accept it and win or fight against it and lose…
Love & walk your path with all your senses alive, Paul
I have not answered yet to myself and convinced me [!!] what destiny ism dear Paul from Austria. Religions try to make us believe in “free will” . The other day, friends from the Blog ‘accused’ me of wtiting the word Fate.
What, I have experienced, is that somebody could ‘read’ my past and future in my palm, when I was 16 years old. I didn’t believe and I did not want things to happen as he had told me, good and bad, as life is a sequence of both. After so many years I met him a few moths ago. I wanted to tell him and thank him. So, if everything is pre-destined, we are just the ..spectators of OUR life.??
LOVE,
THELMA
Reading again everything you have said, my dear friends, I think that may be the question is about “Black Magic” and the way, one interferes with the destiny of others.
White and Black Magic.
If someone uses ‘his’powers in order to satisfy his Ego and influence others’ ‘free will’ then he is practising Black Magic.
Love and have a nice week,
Thelma
Dear Luce,
I don’t see what’s wrong to cooperate…what doesn’t mean that you are changing someone’s destiny…
It’s of course what “to interfere” means for yourself…what doesn’t mean for me to change someones destiny.
I take His hand and walk further.
Love
H
Dear H
I accept to cooperate, to help, to give a hand,… but to interfere has negative conotations for me, that is all.
I am sorry for misunderstanding as we in principle have maybe same point of view.
I love that last sentence you wrote as it is how I live my daily life !
I wish you love, peace and happiness, with all my heart.
Luce
Sorry I have re -post for the above is not complete
-To “discover” our destiny- for me this is the most important part of this sentence.
Dis – cover means to unveil what it is hidden.
To be able to do this we also need divine intervention – GRACE
So how do we interfere in the destiny of others? Do we use means that are above our nature? Magick? No .. you do not even need magick for this, for it is much simpler. It is vices …for by these actions/ interaction with others you are not allowing yourself nor the other person to -discover his/her own destiny- for both you and the other…. are moving away from what you are destined to be.
May love, hope, and faith be with you and may grace guide you so you can reveal your destiny.
Satora