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61 Responses to “Fatima”
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I look up to her.
No matter that love is what gives meaning to her life she sets him free.
She even encourages the boy to leave her.
No clinging to a man allowing him to fulfill his destiny.
What a challenge for a woman.
I love the part where she frevently says that if she is part of his Legend he’ll come back one day.
What faith.
I also love when she decides to send him kisses with the wind.
This way ,they will be united in the level that escapes five senses.
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For Santiago and Fatima:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRjb8sMjYu8&feature=related
Love to All, Jane : ) xo
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 5:00 am
How adorable was that!!!!!! OH just Too cute!
Thanks Jane!
love
C.
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“I’m coming, Fatima” :D
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Dearest,
Fatima is my beloved feminine character.She inspire me.
Love
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Hello Heart!
I didn’t forget you! You had asked me to tell you about the number connecting to Fatima. Well, I’m here to tell you, but you are very right about it being private. I will say that a main connection has been through a recurring dream I have had repeatedly since my teens, as well, there have been so many signs, recurring signs, and what not that I couldn’t even begin to tell you. And I will use the Alchemists words to tell you why. Because:
“When you possess great treasures within you, and try to tell others of them, seldom are you believed.”
Another genius quote from The Alchemist. I have experienced this to be true many times, so I am speaking from experience and not by rote.
So Fatima as I believe Paulo named after The Lady of Fatima. ‘The Lady’ appeared in Fatima Portugal to three children who professed that they all had visions of The Virgin Mary, on the 13th day of the Month, for six consecutive months. So The Lady of Fatima is another name for The Virgin Mary. There’s a long interesting story behind all this, but to keep it short, the Roman Catholics built a church called The Sanctuary of Our Lady of Fatima in Fatima Portugal venerating the Blessed Virgin Mary.
As you may know, The Assumption of The Virgin Mary is celebrated on August 15th, which is the day I was born. This is a big festival, celebration and Holy day of obligation for Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics. For example in Greece, 8/15 is a mandatory holiday, it’s a major day of feasting where they sacrifice sheep and drink and celebrate. And funny thing, I just recently found out about this on my trip to Greece last Summer. Mamma Thelma would know about this!
My birthday’s coming up, I should perhaps go to Greece, what a big celebration I’ll have in the whole country! Now that’s what I would call a Birthday celebration ;)
So that’s the connection of Fatima and my birthday, Aug. 15.
love,
C.
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Hildegarde Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
:)
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Heart Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Carolena dear,
Pardon me, but I have to laugh reading your words. You are sweet! Being born on one of the feast days of Our Lady, or the Virgin as Paulo often refers to her, sure means you have Her protection and a special connection to her. Yes, I know of the apparition of Our Lady in Portugal, which often is described as ‘The Miracle of the Sun Dancing’, and you are so correct, Paulo probably named his Fatima, after this apparition. It is so beautiful to be close to the Mother of God, you are a very lucky lady who found her :)
Love,
H :)
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 3:44 am
What’s so funny Heart? why the laugh?? :)
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Heart Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Oh, what you write is just so adorable! Your repeated dreams and signs are very, very fascinating. They are divine messages to you, and I’m very curious where this will take you. Already you won Paulo’s Witch project, because your contribution WAS THE BEST. From all the movie interpretations I watched, no doubt yours was the most beautiful, and showed the Athena I had pictured in my mind. Who knows, perhaps you will be THE ONLY ONE who can give us a picturesque version of the worldwide beloved Alchemist fable. As close as you are to Fatima, and also you understand Santiago, like few else, it’s so obvious you’d create a wonderful cinematic masterpiece. Why I was laughing, is probably, because I am very close to Our Lady myself. And it was just funny to hear your enthusiastic presentation of the vision the children had in Fatima, Portugal. Hildegarde is smiling too, I cannot explain it, you just made me smile :) Paulo…as the Virgin would have said; ‘They have no Alchemist movie’ (they have no wine..in the wedding in Canaan), and Jesus performed his first miracle. Our Lady didn’t tell him what to do, just pointed to a need, and let Him decide.
Love,
Heart
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 25th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Hello Heart!
Wow, your words are so Sweet! Thank you! Everybody did great!
What you are saying sounds Sublime!!That would be WOW! :D
Thank you for the reply, reading it was funny too! :)
Amor! ;)
This song reminds me of the book, a spirit singing in Santiago’s thoughts as he travels (before he meets Fatima):
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=58157778103&h=G4T_b&u=-X-8v
Love to All, Jane : ) xo
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Carolena,
I sent it again…don’t tell me you lost it again….
With loving kindness
Satora
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Satora,
:) Thank you so much, I received it!
I will take a look and reply to you in email!
Thank you very much Satora,
Love!
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I read The Alchemist, and while reading the book, experienced many signs; almost so many I could write a book about them all. I somehow just found this page, and even that is a “coincidence” but one thing that really just got to me is the 815 reference in Carolena’s post. I have certain numbers that I just are always coming to me, and 815 is a set that I’ve been trying to figure out why. BTW the person that gave me The Alchemist, wound up being my twinsoul; he’s now off on a journey to find his dream…
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Dear Carolena,
The number “8″ is your “life lesson”.(Same for you as for Paulo) But there are other numbers involved:
your soul number, your outer self, your destiny, your development, your maturity and the 4 zeniths. Your life lesson no. 8 has 7 levels (so do the other numbers).
With loving kindness,
Satora
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Satora,
That’s quite interesting. I would be interested to know how to calculate the soul number as well as the others. Won’t you elaborate?
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Satora Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
I have sent you the info to your email at carolenasabah.com.
With loving kindness,
Satora
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Satora, somehow it came into my spam folder, I lost it trying to move it, if possible, can you please send it again?
Thanks so much!
love!
Perseverance is Maktub!
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Ahhh, thank you Carolena for insisting so much. Thank you Paulo for replying to us. Very interesting inspiration, but I think the character is not only built upon that vision, but is the point where from the character start to be alive? Do you think it could be a Fata Morgana?
Love
Alexandra
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Thank you Paulo, for giving in to us. As Annie says, a magnificent vision. It is right there, in the story; ‘…Fatima arrived and filled her vessel with water. I came to tell you just one thing, the boy said. I want you to be my wife. I love you’.
You moved your vision, who you named Fatima, from the pyramids to the well in the oasis. May I ask how the woman was holding the jar? Did she hold it on her shoulder, or in front of her. Did you see her fill the jar with water? Was she as if an historic figure from biblical times, or was she as a modern Egyptian? How close did you see her? Did you see her face, her eyes? And, have you seen her again at any time? These might be too private questions to ask. So forgive me if you don’t want to tell us EVERYTHING.
If you are still looking for her, please come and see us, here, here, me, me. I’m her, Annie is her, Carolena is her. I have some photos taken of me in the desert standing in a water with a jar on my shoulder, but there were no pyramids there. I’ll give you a copy of them, if I get to know you really well.
We love you so much,
Heart
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Heart! you’re so funny!! Let’s draw numbers, see who gets picked. haha… But you know what I Just realized, shortly before meeting Paulo I wrote a poem/story. A short poem, and it had to do with water. It’s titled ‘The Power Of Prayer’ and it’s all about the properties of water. I honestly cannot say that it was my intention or even a conscious effort on my part to write about water. Definitely not, but I do remember how it got written.
I was in bed just about to fall asleep when the entire poem got written in my head. Every line just came into my head and normally, I have to write it right away or else I forget it later for sure. But I didn’t even feel the need to move because just as the poem came, it was there and I knew that I would remember it in the morning and sure enough, I woke up and wrote it all down.
I think the connection of my poem to Fatima’s jug and water is interesting.
But Heart, I think we’re pushing our luck asking Paulo for more info on Fatima… but it doesn’t hurt to try ;) Good job! ;)
love,
C.
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Heart Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Dear Carolena,
Thank you dear. I hope its like when my grandmother drew numbers, and we all won. Hehe.
I found your numerology very interesting indeed, how the universe in signs can convince you there is a special meaning between you and Paulo. How beautiful of you to write the poem with water. Water is life. In psychology, dreams about water, is often interpreted as sexual dreams. You also say you have found a number that connects to Fatima. I’d be delighted to hear how. What meaning does Fatima have to you? I understand this is VERY private, and please don’t say more than you want to. It might be better to keep that to yourself.
Yes the image of a woman with a jug, has been explored in art. The jug, I think can be symbol of the womb, and the woman offering life giving water. Always, if I see old biblical movies, I find the women in them look so feminine and beautiful, a timeless softness.
I think Paulo should “Summon us” (an expression he uses in WSA) to a special Fatima session face to face. He doesn’t seem to mind being pushed a little bit?
Did you hear Enigma’s Fatima…the refrain sounds like whispering Fatima…but I could only find a pretty poor recording. The music is divine..and this was recorded in Brazil. Hope you will enjoy it;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQOiNmj2p5E
Love,
H
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Bingo! haha
Thank you Heart, for that information. I found it Very interesting. Never really looked into the symbolism of the jug.
I didn’t find Enigma’s Fatima anywhere, would love to hear it if you can find a link for the song!
What a wonderful idea, ’summon’ us to a face to face!!
Ok, I will write more on the connection to Fatima, just not right now because I’m feeling… a little dangerous. The moon has entered Taurus, so must be the bull bullheadedness I am feeling right now. Later I will!
I have been seeing a lot of water in my dreams lately, I’ve seen the ocean and pools. Lots of water!
Wow, silly me!! I just saw your link! Agh….
Yes, I’ve heard that song before, but didn’t know it’s called Fatima. It’s beautiful. The beginning must be Latin, although I don’t understand it, in the beginning there is a part where it says ’siretzin eiraroo’ and in Armenian that means -they loved each other. Always every time,that part, I think it says that.
Yes Paulo, won’t you ‘Summon’ us to a special Fatima session face to face??
I will write more later! Thanks again Heart!
love
C.
When reading the book I thought of Love. Not knowing about human love, this is an adventure for me. Fatima is a beautiful name, unheard of (by me) until reading The Alchemist, yet, the essence of her meant a couple of things. One, acknowleging my own other half, (what they call in my culture, a tom-boy). Second, I saw Fatima as being love, a sacred love. I identify with Fatima, because love is god; giving, patient and waits. There is so much to learn. I love this topic and this whole story so much!! Thank You Paulo, Love to All xo
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Fatima !! what to say about this character ..
simply i will like to marry with gal like Fatima
[:)]
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Heart Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Yogeshkadvekar you are funny! With your humor she probably will say yes!
Love,
Heart
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Dear Paulo, dear all,
As far as the character of Fatima is concerned, I have a commentary which, I hope, will be interesting for you.
When The Alquemist was first published in Russia, one of my friends read it and put it directly into her practice (she is a psychologist). She started a course of group therapy for women under the idea: FATIMA - The Art of Loving a Man. She insisted that the ability to love your man and, at the same time, to set him free is vitally important for every woman. In Russia (as, I think, in other counries, too) it is still concidered to be the greatest achievent in life to meet a man (a rich one - the best option) and cling to him as tight as you can. Love has nothing to do with it, but who cares? Then these women start to ask themselves: why am I so unhappy? And they are unable to see the reason. For such women Fatima and her wisdom is a beacon. My friend’s seminars were dedicated to them. Many of them said that the idea of loving somebody without being possessive is “blowing up their minds”, they had never looked at it at this angle.
As for me, this is the trait that attracted me immediately to the character of Fatima. As well as the idea that true love cannot prevent you from walking your path and following your destiny. Does it mean that if your loved one opposes your intentions, ideas and desires and tries to talk you out of doing what you want, the feeling that you think you have toward each other is not true?
And there’s another question which may not be connected directly with Fatima from the Alquemist, but it is connected with the famous symbol - Fatima’s Palm. I am very interested and attracted to this symbol, I’ve been recently given a few things containing this motif and keep seeing it everywhere. I can feel that it is very meeningful for me. Unfortunately I cannot find any sufficient information about it. If anyone knows something on the subject, please share with me!
Thanks
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cred ca fatima e adevarata comoara pe care o gaseste santiago..femeia e unul din chipurile lui dumnezeu dupa ]]la raul piedra am sezut si am plans”
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Alin Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Bună ziua şi Costea Paulo,
Da, iubirea este întotdeauna o comoara, cred că acest lucru. Şi aduce o întrebare Paulo, Fatima, ea este o femeie l-ai cunoscut pe Camino şi indragostit, sau ea este direct simbolismul doamna de Fatima şi dacă da, de ce ea şi despre faptul că ceea ce iti place.
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Fatima was so wise for one so young. She understood that love is not possession or ownership and that you cannot cage it. When she wanted Santiago’s happiness and sent him on to his Personal Legend with her blessing it really resonates with me that she understood something about love that many people struggle to accept: If you love someone it has to be for who they are and not for who you want them to be. I would love to know the rest of Fatima’s story. Sure, she lived at the Oasis and understood that men sometimes need to leave in the desert, but there is more to her.
One thing that troubles me is the larger cultural picture. She let Santiago go and to pursue his dream…and yet culturally, as a woman, would she have had the chance to do the same? Aren’t there times and places and cultural traditions in which some, often sons, are allowed to leave home and define themselves, while others, often daughters, are prohibited from the same? My life in the US has offered me small, comparably negligible limitations being a woman, but I wonder how this text is read in other places in the world with more traditional gender expectations. Are there women reading this beautiful story of personal growth and thinking, “Good for Santiago….but what about Fatima? Did she have his freedom to grow, learn, travel, and thrive? She waits for her love to return from his Personal Legend and I admire her strength…but I can’t help wondering does she discover hers?
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dear Melyssab,
as you know in a story it’s impossible to write about everything. That’s why the questions that remain within your soul should make you act in your life.
Much love
Paulo
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Melyssab79 Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
My musings were not a critique of your work, Paulo, but of the societies whose rules we find ourselves subject to. As for those questions, they have often guided my actions. One of the reasons I teach is because I believe strongly that sons and daughters hold equal promise and potential. Thank you for your response.
~M
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Monika Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Dear Melyssab,
That’s just the question I wanted to ask here too!
By the way I am also a teacher.
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Jennifer Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Hello Melyssab,
I recently finished reading “The Palace of Illusions” by Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni and the author explores your question through a retelling of the Mahabharat from a feminine perspective. You may find it a friendly book.
Peace
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Melyssab79 Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Thank you so much for the suggestion :) I’ll look for it.
~Melyssa
Ok, Fatima, the proud Dervish maiden, is an example of the coincidentia oppositorum. For it relates to the daughter of the profett Mohamed, and to the Virgin Marry, that was seen by three little shepherd kid. Than her marriage, or love with Santiago, the boy that has the name dear to you, Saint Iago, hope I not misspell, is another example of duality, of two symbols that seem as opposite, but their union leads to happiness, harmony, love. I want to see clear your intention. Do you mean religions have to unify? Is that an idea you have from the so called Deus Otiosus?
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Dear Alexandra,
religions are like the rays emanating from the same sun.
Much love
Paulo
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Alexandra Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Oh dearest, so beautiful comparison… Tank you so very much. Please once again, dont leave us…I see we take much of your time, maybe you need time and space, but now we are used to you, to the team, company… Please do know all was the best always here in your blog, as in your novels too…Take care ,thank you …
Love
Alexandra
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Melyssab79 Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
What a beautiful simile for the concept…I’ve often thought that religious traditions shared more in common than they were different, and yet I never had the exact words to express that thought….you’ve said it perfectly :)
~Melyssa
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rosa de los vientos Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I like very much this thought. Ever I belive in this concept
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
que bien, querida Rosa.
rosa de los vientos Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Gracias Paulo recuerdo que en el año 2006 era esto lo que estaba esperando que tú nos contestaras y ahora ya lo estás haciendo ¿Qué más te podemos pedir si todo nos lo concedes?
Gracias de nuevo
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 4th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Santiago, just a day after he meets Fatima, he says to her ‘I want you to be my wife. I love you’ I love that part, it’s so innocent and pure, Santiago has a pure heart. And so does Fatima, for all the love she feels for Santiago and makes it easier for him to leave reassuring him that she will be there when he returns. I imagine it must not be easy to let go of love, but she does. And the Alchemist knows when he says, ‘She already has a treasure: it’s you’ what great lines.
I too believe in love at first sight, it’s magical.
Also what’s interesting is that Fatima appeared to the Shepard kids on the 13th, of May I believe?!
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Dear Paulo,
I am curious about Fatima. Is the character of Fatima based on a woman you knew at the time you wrote the book, or is it based solely on the biblical lady of Fatima?
love
C.
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No, it is based in a vision. And pls don’t ask me to ellaborate…
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Now I feel like Aditya, no ‘Dear’ or ‘much love’ !! :(
I would like you to elaborate dear Paulo, but since you don’t want me to ask you, then I won’t!
Thank you for your reply.
Much love,
C.
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Oh Paulo… won’t you share with us your vision? pretty please?? :)
Monika Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 12:38 am
To explain matters is quite simple. - Women as understanding like Fatima don’t exist in real life. They only exist in mens visions. ;-)
Monika Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 12:47 am
…and please don’t ask me to ellaborate.
Lily Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Wow, this is very interesting Fatima being based on a vision. I thought it was your wife Paulo. Christina, since it was her that pushed you to go on the Pilgrimage and like Fatima she said that she will wait for you.
If Fatima is based on a vision than is the merchants daughter based on Christina?
francesca Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Monica, women like Fatima do exist,
Fatima is all over the place, just open your eyes
maybe there’s also a Fatima inside you, waiting to be seen ;-)
aditya Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
U naughty carolena,,
paulo asks u not to ask and u ask, very human i will say since times of eve and hence adam too, afterall what men do all their lives other than following their women ( who sometiems appears to them in teh form of their ambitions ),
how can a vision be shared, paulo has tried his best, by writing that book.
i wrote that just in lighter vain ( we know the value of his time ) as i am sure u too have writen above and i am writing this.
u know we are ( all people who visit teh site here ) are part of a first time in history situation. there have been great authors in past, and i am sure great readers too. But this is teh first time when an author as evolved as paulo is intercating with a large group of people on daily basis. Do u feel special.
love
aditya
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Dear Aditya
Carolena is like this. I met her personally this January. She insist till she gets an answer, or she gets tired of asking. In my case, she always gets tired of asking. A wonderful person, with a very strong character
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Alexandra Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
ha ha ha
very funny
Heart Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I’m with Carolena. Elaborate! Please! Fatima, a vision? She is so unlike any other of your other female characters. She cannot be Pilar. She cannot be Maria. She cannot be Zahir. Let’s hear at least some about your vision? You cannot first say A then not B. Now you HAVE to tell us. Please, please…
Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Perfect - perseverance brings good luck. In 1987 I was in Cairum, a friend of mine and a friend of him I went to the desert riding horses. On our way back, it was night I decided to walk to the pyramids (that’s why the sheperd also see the pyramids at night). It would be a 1 hr walk.
The friend of my friend took the horses, and went to the pyramids to wait for us. While walking, I SAW - then it is up to you to believe or not - in the middle of nowhere this young woman with a jar. She appeared in front of us, walked silently in the opposite direction, and disappear.
Later on, in 1988, when I wrote the Alch, she was the inspiration.
Annie Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Wow! Dear Paulo, magnificent! you made that woman immortal, in the character of Fatima :) SHe must be glad:)
Oh, moreover,I suggest you keep the habit of your daily walk for your inspirations :)
Perseverence brings good luck?? I need that today!
Thank you
Love and Graditude
Annie
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Paulo!!!… What are you saying about me??? You are right though! lol
And yes, I can never get a straight answer from you, and yes, it tires me… So you win, but I’m learning from the best, and if the universe conspires in us meeting again, watch out! ;)
But all jokes aside, it was Such a Pleasure to meet you and be in your vicinity, experience your energy and your aura… I feel very comfortable with you, Well, I was very nervous to meet you as I’m sure you noticed, I almost broke out in tears when I saw you face to face. Not almost… I did, but being around you I feel very serene and comfortable. Like I know your soul, it’s not quite the same as feeling like you know someone from another lifetime, but more like knowing their essence, the soul.
Did you know that numerologicaly, we have the same birth number, 8. I have quite an interest and fascination in astrology, numerology and alchemy and such so this is not only exhilarating for me, but almost unbelievable Ok not only that, we actually have our month, day and year deducing down to the exact same numbers:
8/24/1947 = 8+6+3 = 8
8/15/1974 = 8+6+3 = 8
Crazy don’t you think? I am not an expert in arithomancy, but it is an ancient science which contains many mysteries and revelations originating probably way before Pythagoras. The universe is based in mathematics which in turn comprises energy vibrations in all existence.
Furthermore, 8/15 has a direct relation to the lady of Fatima, but I will not go into that.
Paulo, Thank you for the elaboration! :)
And Thank you for the opportunity to meet you! I will cherish it forever!
Love Always,
C.
Jennifer Estellore Reply:
September 1st, 2009 at 5:32 am
Oh, I would love to have that chance of meeting you in person! And thank you for coming up with this forum. I hope you have knowledge of the breadth of your influence to millions of lives out there. You took this one bold step - dream!, and you’ve shown the world how to do it.