He is a gifted man who is in need of Pilar. She helps him see the possibilities in the world and that success is only meaningful if you have someone to share it with! He saw the world as absolutes: love or ministry, but Pilar gave him options.
I think that the internal conflict which the seminarian faces is particularly interesting. He thinks that he has to choose between serving the Goddess and loving this woman. In the end he realizes that this is not the case – the Goddess does not insist that he make such a choice, not does Pilar. I think about all the Priests who have been forced, in accordance with church doctrine, to make similar choices in life. In seems to me very sad, and a very misguided notion – this idea that one can only serve God if one is willing to renounce the desire for love and a family life.
Again, I think this is another symptom of the masculine aspect, within the church, being out of balance with the feminine – actually perceiving the feminine as “evil,” “wicked,” the “eternal temptress” who brings about the downfall of man, the “originator of sin.”
Ah, just imagine for a moment the church taking a different form, a more balanced view: imagine a church in which both men and women could be priests, even married, even working in unison. Imagine going into a church officiated not by a celibate priest but by a priest AND a priestess, working jointly together, holding up in perfect balance both the masculine AND the feminine aspects of God, the whole congregation revering equally both God AND Goddess. Now that would be a beautiful thing!
I am so glad that in the end the seminarist did realize that his mission and his passion for Pilar were not, in fact, at odds with one another. What a refreshing view!
Savita, I hate to break this to you, but your imagining of the church with women priests and married priests does exist already, the Lutheran church. In Norway, for instance, there are even female bishops (although I think they are lesbians). However, the divorce rate of married Lutheran priests is 50%, like the rate in the rest of the population, so it seems the vocation of priesthood is difficult to combine with marriage..or it seems marriage is difficult with any profession. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself to show you this fact.
Your posting about the Goddess and feminine aspect is lovely!
Heart
GraceSeptember 17, 2010 at 9:45 am
I totally agree with you, Savita. Why seminarists cannot be married in order to show their love to God??? Every creature in the earth deserves to be loved. It’s so sad for me that seminarists give their love to others in their whole lives. Although they are loved by God, spiritually, they also need to be loved by human beings mentally and physically. I don’t believe that God wants us to be lonely becoz he made man & woman
Marta AdrianaAugust 8, 2009 at 8:27 pm
It is just right he doesn’t have a name.
By not having a name the seminarist becomes all of us seeking for love, struggling to get the meaning out of our beliefs.
He is not portrayed like a wise person that knows all the answers. He is like Pilar so human that can stand for all of us.
He is pictured battling to give meaning to his life, with a healing gift developed through great effort and discipline.
Having lost his faith, he had the courage to recover it. Experience taught him that the spiritual quest is more important than religion as a goal in itself.
The theme of being an ordinary person that one day understands that their being just like others is no limit to make a difference in their lives is a recurrent one in Paulo’s writing.
This constant refering to the greatness of common people reminds me of Jesus humanity. In my opinion, His most appealing trait is to be so human. To get to know misery, joy, love, ecstasy, agony. To have bled out of despair and doubt while awaiting for His destiny to be fullfilled.
The seminarist is a lovely, corageous character, that is about to give up the meaning of his life for the sake of love, till he realizes that renouncing his dream is not true love request.
I enjoyed reading what you wrote about the seminarist. I see the character the same way too. Lovely comment.
HeartAugust 3, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Is the seminarian the only character in any of your novels who sings? Falling in love seems to have this effect on the seminarian, as with many of us! He is so happy to be with Pilar, he sings cute little songs in Spanish or Portuguese. Son los locos que inventaron el amor… It must have been the lunatics who invented love. Con un poema y un trombon a develarte el corazon… To lose my heart to you with a poem and a trombone. Salgamos a volar, querida mia… Let’s fly away. As the theme of the title is picked from a hymn, from Psalm 137, this singing seems to fit into the story very well. Also the charismatic spirituality, the joy people experience after accepting the fire of the Holy Spirit, results in chanting and makes Pilar join in with the singing, and she lets the music of the religious group take hold of her.
My favourite character in the book and without a name. I may have wondered why he was never named way back then, but as the story went on it did not matter. The Seminarist who I always considered as “Pilar’s childhood friend” was a very spiritual person. Like most young people being spiritual led you to religion because it only makes sense. But unfortunately the people in religion are not very spiritual, and his understanding of the universe made him an outsider. He was at a point in his life where he knew himself and how to make choices. The most important choice was to bring romantic-love back into his life, and with the person who he always knew was the one.
We each of us define ourselves by our relationships with others, and with the world around us, be it with a lover, a parent, a child, a teacher or a pupil. And at any time we are many things, one man’s teacher may be another’s pupil, just as one woman’s mother can be another woman’s child.
“The Seminarist” is also “The Lover”, but this is where he must choose to be one or the other. In the book of Genesis Abraham was called to give up that which was most precious to him to prove his devotion to the Lord God. He prepared to sacrifice his son Isaac, but at the final moment God spared the life of Isaac, it was enough that Abraham had been prepared to make the commitment to God. “The Seminarist” was prepared to make the commitment to Pilar even if it meant sacrificing a position of pwer and authority, I think because there will always be others who could receive his gifts and carry on that work, but only he could complete Pilar’s life. In giving up his gifts perhaps he will receive them back as being worthy of them, but if he had chosen to prize them and keep them it would have meant Pilar’s life was never fulfilled and his triumphs would have been empty successes. What we keep we lose, but what we give up is given back to us.
Yes, I know there are female priests/preachers in certain branches of the Christian church. In fact, in the church which I attend (a Full Gospel church) there is a woman preacher. Every Sunday, she preaches for an hour, then a male preacher takes over for the next hour. The two are not a “couple” (they are both married, but not to one another), but neither does there seem to be any conflict between them. I mean, he doesn’t seem to see this as a threat. He actually encourages women to testify and to preach and he often speaks of the need for women to be as active as possible in the church, and not just in subsidiary or “support” roles either. He says that a woman can have a “calling” to preach, and have the God-given “gift” for it, just like a man. The church that he grew up in was headed by several women preachers and, as he describes it, they were they were the foundations of the church, not the men.
This church which I attend also has a sort of “open pulpit” policy. Anyone can preach, at any time, if they feel a calling to do so. All they have to do is stand up, even in the middle of a sermon, and say, “Hey, I’ve got something to say. Can I come up there for a moment?” and the preacher will step aside and let them have the pulpit for as long as they like. Because the view is that the Holy Spirit can speak through anyone and that all are given their individual gifts by the Holy Spirit, there is little distinction between “clergy” and “lay-persons” – all are in it together, and each can learn from the other.
Anyway, it is probably obvious that I am rather fond of this church, in part, precisely because of the role that women play and the balance maintained between male and female energy. And the funny thing is that this isn’t a “liberal” church in any sense – their values, otherwise, are very traditional and are actually seen by many as far too strict. The Full Gospel church is an off-shoot of Pentecostalism (you know – the church wherein women are forbidden to cut their hair and must wear dresses only, with skirts down to their ankles.) Sometimes I wonder how the one ever evolved from the other – a church where women are truly viewed as equals coming from out of a church wherein women seem horribly oppressed. Anyway, such as it is.
As for the divorce thing. Well, I suppose that is an issue of modern times, which one must grapple with whether lay-person or clergy. I also suspect, as you suggest, Heart, that maintaining a healthy marriage while in pursuit of a demanding career is just plain difficult – for anyone.
It is funny that you mention this because it is a question that I have pondered often as an aspiring writer, particularly a woman writer. Nor am I the only one. When I was in grad school, and even among my ex-classmates now, this is a hot topic of heated debate. Can a woman (particularly a woman) be a successful writer AND have a husband and family? Statistically, the odds are not in our favor. Statistics speak of a much higher success rate among female writers who forego marriage and motherhood. This has not been the case, historically speaking, for men, as, in regards to male writers, there is this phenomenon termed as “marrying the muse.” There have been many very well known male writers of the past who married the women who encouraged, inspired or in some way stood to advance their careers. It is amazing, for example, if you look at the statistics, how many famous male writers of the past just happened to be married to women who were fantastic typists (women who, ultimately, typed their manuscripts, in a time when this was quite a laborious undertaking) or to women whose fathers owned publishing houses, etc. So what does this say to us as woman today? Some claim that the message is clear – if you want to be a writer, a successful writer, stay away from men, and certainly never marry one. Others claim it means that you have to find someone who will actively support you in your writing in some way – someone who will take your aspirations seriously and not just view your writing as a “nice little hobby.”
Being a mother already, I would probably say that, yes, it is far easier to succeed at almost any career if you don’t have children. It is likewise probably easier to fulfill any “mission” – to serve God in any manner – if you don’t have a family at all. The time constraints and social obligations of family life are enormous. But “ease” is not everything. There is also a depth of insight to be gained from marriage and parenthood, from family life in general, and that too can be very valuable. Also, if you are married to someone who shares similar aspirations and/or supports you fully in your mission (such as Pilar in the seminarist’s case), this could actually make the quest easier in a different way, and certainly far more fulfilling. As I imagine it, what could be more fulfilling than sharing your gift with the world, not as a solitary soul apart from the world, but alongside someone whom you genuinely love and admire, someone who understands and supports your mission to fulfill your personal destiny in this life?
And why would being a priest or a preacher be any different? Of course, if they marry they will undergo the same tests – the same trials and tribulations that we all undergo. They will be tempted toward infidelity. They will, at some point, consider or at least wish for divorce. Priests and preachers are just human beings, like the rest of us. They are not perfect. But this, as I see it, is no reason that they should refrain from family life altogether – just because there is a chance that they might “fail” at it. Even if one were to fail, perhaps that would only make them all the more qualified to help and council others. At least they would have some understanding of the subject they were talking about.
Great reflections again, as always Savita! What you say about writers was a new angle to me. It’s funny, because one of the reasons I left the Lutheran church was I found the Catholic church to be much more feminine, with the devotions to Our Lady. Now you show me an example where the female is encouraged, by allowing the female voice even during sermons (even though women often do readings also in the Catholic church). I don’t have strong oppositions to female priests, even though I never had ambitions in that direction myself. Somehow, most of the female priest I have encountered are VERY masculine, but perhaps I have just been ‘unlucky’ with my experience. I have been very lucky in having a couple of very intimate friendships with two Catholic priests (one as entirely spiritual father, the other as entirely friendship), and I must say, I doubt I would have been so close to them as I am, if they were married and had children, just because they wouldn’t have been as free to explore the relationships if they were committed to another person. You can imagine everything a priest gets to know in confession, which MUST be kept 100% confidential. It probably would be hard to keep this secrecy seal if one were married? I don’t know.
What you say about Pilar and the Seminarist, I fully agree with you. It is wonderful how she can most of all perhaps be a comfort to him, because I believe any Ordained person, must be so so lonely, without that relationship to another human being in flesh and blood. Even though the Church often was pretty wise, setting up female and male convents not too far from each other, so they had more frequent male/female relationship than one would think, something you can find in many of the saints stories.
No doubt living a family life, and you being so lucky to be a mother, enrich every aspect of us. You know often ordained people also was ‘part of family life’ (i’m not thinking of horror stories now!), as their vocation often involved visits to families and they would run schools and hospitals, and you know all those ministries there are. No doubt having a child takes a lot of time, and if you as a mother came to a convent telling them you want to become a nun in your situation now, they would tell you because you are a mother, that is your first responsibility, so you could pursue as a lay person to engage in a certain spirituality. About the future of the Religious and the Church, I don’t know…instead of speculating, let me just say; we have to wait and see!
All the best to you too!
Love and Admiration,
heart
One of my friend is a successful writer. She is married with children. She writes science fiction books and her books are being translated in several languages. Inspirational.
She lived in the desert which in itself was a bit like “science fiction” – to me anyhow -
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He is a gifted man who is in need of Pilar. She helps him see the possibilities in the world and that success is only meaningful if you have someone to share it with! He saw the world as absolutes: love or ministry, but Pilar gave him options.
I think that the internal conflict which the seminarian faces is particularly interesting. He thinks that he has to choose between serving the Goddess and loving this woman. In the end he realizes that this is not the case – the Goddess does not insist that he make such a choice, not does Pilar. I think about all the Priests who have been forced, in accordance with church doctrine, to make similar choices in life. In seems to me very sad, and a very misguided notion – this idea that one can only serve God if one is willing to renounce the desire for love and a family life.
Again, I think this is another symptom of the masculine aspect, within the church, being out of balance with the feminine – actually perceiving the feminine as “evil,” “wicked,” the “eternal temptress” who brings about the downfall of man, the “originator of sin.”
Ah, just imagine for a moment the church taking a different form, a more balanced view: imagine a church in which both men and women could be priests, even married, even working in unison. Imagine going into a church officiated not by a celibate priest but by a priest AND a priestess, working jointly together, holding up in perfect balance both the masculine AND the feminine aspects of God, the whole congregation revering equally both God AND Goddess. Now that would be a beautiful thing!
I am so glad that in the end the seminarist did realize that his mission and his passion for Pilar were not, in fact, at odds with one another. What a refreshing view!
Thanks, Paulo!
Love,
Savita
Savita, I hate to break this to you, but your imagining of the church with women priests and married priests does exist already, the Lutheran church. In Norway, for instance, there are even female bishops (although I think they are lesbians). However, the divorce rate of married Lutheran priests is 50%, like the rate in the rest of the population, so it seems the vocation of priesthood is difficult to combine with marriage..or it seems marriage is difficult with any profession. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself to show you this fact.
Your posting about the Goddess and feminine aspect is lovely!
Heart
I totally agree with you, Savita. Why seminarists cannot be married in order to show their love to God??? Every creature in the earth deserves to be loved. It’s so sad for me that seminarists give their love to others in their whole lives. Although they are loved by God, spiritually, they also need to be loved by human beings mentally and physically. I don’t believe that God wants us to be lonely becoz he made man & woman
It is just right he doesn’t have a name.
By not having a name the seminarist becomes all of us seeking for love, struggling to get the meaning out of our beliefs.
He is not portrayed like a wise person that knows all the answers. He is like Pilar so human that can stand for all of us.
He is pictured battling to give meaning to his life, with a healing gift developed through great effort and discipline.
Having lost his faith, he had the courage to recover it. Experience taught him that the spiritual quest is more important than religion as a goal in itself.
The theme of being an ordinary person that one day understands that their being just like others is no limit to make a difference in their lives is a recurrent one in Paulo’s writing.
This constant refering to the greatness of common people reminds me of Jesus humanity. In my opinion, His most appealing trait is to be so human. To get to know misery, joy, love, ecstasy, agony. To have bled out of despair and doubt while awaiting for His destiny to be fullfilled.
The seminarist is a lovely, corageous character, that is about to give up the meaning of his life for the sake of love, till he realizes that renouncing his dream is not true love request.
I enjoyed reading what you wrote about the seminarist. I see the character the same way too. Lovely comment.
Is the seminarian the only character in any of your novels who sings? Falling in love seems to have this effect on the seminarian, as with many of us! He is so happy to be with Pilar, he sings cute little songs in Spanish or Portuguese. Son los locos que inventaron el amor… It must have been the lunatics who invented love. Con un poema y un trombon a develarte el corazon… To lose my heart to you with a poem and a trombone. Salgamos a volar, querida mia… Let’s fly away. As the theme of the title is picked from a hymn, from Psalm 137, this singing seems to fit into the story very well. Also the charismatic spirituality, the joy people experience after accepting the fire of the Holy Spirit, results in chanting and makes Pilar join in with the singing, and she lets the music of the religious group take hold of her.
i like your review!
My favourite character in the book and without a name. I may have wondered why he was never named way back then, but as the story went on it did not matter. The Seminarist who I always considered as “Pilar’s childhood friend” was a very spiritual person. Like most young people being spiritual led you to religion because it only makes sense. But unfortunately the people in religion are not very spiritual, and his understanding of the universe made him an outsider. He was at a point in his life where he knew himself and how to make choices. The most important choice was to bring romantic-love back into his life, and with the person who he always knew was the one.
Nancy,
That was beautiful. I gave this novel to a woman I know is the one, I hope she feels the same way.
Love,
Jason
A very sweet careful lover. I see that never faith is not a hindrance to love, is should be that way, because love in itself is divine.
We each of us define ourselves by our relationships with others, and with the world around us, be it with a lover, a parent, a child, a teacher or a pupil. And at any time we are many things, one man’s teacher may be another’s pupil, just as one woman’s mother can be another woman’s child.
“The Seminarist” is also “The Lover”, but this is where he must choose to be one or the other. In the book of Genesis Abraham was called to give up that which was most precious to him to prove his devotion to the Lord God. He prepared to sacrifice his son Isaac, but at the final moment God spared the life of Isaac, it was enough that Abraham had been prepared to make the commitment to God. “The Seminarist” was prepared to make the commitment to Pilar even if it meant sacrificing a position of pwer and authority, I think because there will always be others who could receive his gifts and carry on that work, but only he could complete Pilar’s life. In giving up his gifts perhaps he will receive them back as being worthy of them, but if he had chosen to prize them and keep them it would have meant Pilar’s life was never fulfilled and his triumphs would have been empty successes. What we keep we lose, but what we give up is given back to us.
Thank you very much. I enjoyed knowing you had liked it.
Love
Yes, I know there are female priests/preachers in certain branches of the Christian church. In fact, in the church which I attend (a Full Gospel church) there is a woman preacher. Every Sunday, she preaches for an hour, then a male preacher takes over for the next hour. The two are not a “couple” (they are both married, but not to one another), but neither does there seem to be any conflict between them. I mean, he doesn’t seem to see this as a threat. He actually encourages women to testify and to preach and he often speaks of the need for women to be as active as possible in the church, and not just in subsidiary or “support” roles either. He says that a woman can have a “calling” to preach, and have the God-given “gift” for it, just like a man. The church that he grew up in was headed by several women preachers and, as he describes it, they were they were the foundations of the church, not the men.
This church which I attend also has a sort of “open pulpit” policy. Anyone can preach, at any time, if they feel a calling to do so. All they have to do is stand up, even in the middle of a sermon, and say, “Hey, I’ve got something to say. Can I come up there for a moment?” and the preacher will step aside and let them have the pulpit for as long as they like. Because the view is that the Holy Spirit can speak through anyone and that all are given their individual gifts by the Holy Spirit, there is little distinction between “clergy” and “lay-persons” – all are in it together, and each can learn from the other.
Anyway, it is probably obvious that I am rather fond of this church, in part, precisely because of the role that women play and the balance maintained between male and female energy. And the funny thing is that this isn’t a “liberal” church in any sense – their values, otherwise, are very traditional and are actually seen by many as far too strict. The Full Gospel church is an off-shoot of Pentecostalism (you know – the church wherein women are forbidden to cut their hair and must wear dresses only, with skirts down to their ankles.) Sometimes I wonder how the one ever evolved from the other – a church where women are truly viewed as equals coming from out of a church wherein women seem horribly oppressed. Anyway, such as it is.
As for the divorce thing. Well, I suppose that is an issue of modern times, which one must grapple with whether lay-person or clergy. I also suspect, as you suggest, Heart, that maintaining a healthy marriage while in pursuit of a demanding career is just plain difficult – for anyone.
It is funny that you mention this because it is a question that I have pondered often as an aspiring writer, particularly a woman writer. Nor am I the only one. When I was in grad school, and even among my ex-classmates now, this is a hot topic of heated debate. Can a woman (particularly a woman) be a successful writer AND have a husband and family? Statistically, the odds are not in our favor. Statistics speak of a much higher success rate among female writers who forego marriage and motherhood. This has not been the case, historically speaking, for men, as, in regards to male writers, there is this phenomenon termed as “marrying the muse.” There have been many very well known male writers of the past who married the women who encouraged, inspired or in some way stood to advance their careers. It is amazing, for example, if you look at the statistics, how many famous male writers of the past just happened to be married to women who were fantastic typists (women who, ultimately, typed their manuscripts, in a time when this was quite a laborious undertaking) or to women whose fathers owned publishing houses, etc. So what does this say to us as woman today? Some claim that the message is clear – if you want to be a writer, a successful writer, stay away from men, and certainly never marry one. Others claim it means that you have to find someone who will actively support you in your writing in some way – someone who will take your aspirations seriously and not just view your writing as a “nice little hobby.”
Being a mother already, I would probably say that, yes, it is far easier to succeed at almost any career if you don’t have children. It is likewise probably easier to fulfill any “mission” – to serve God in any manner – if you don’t have a family at all. The time constraints and social obligations of family life are enormous. But “ease” is not everything. There is also a depth of insight to be gained from marriage and parenthood, from family life in general, and that too can be very valuable. Also, if you are married to someone who shares similar aspirations and/or supports you fully in your mission (such as Pilar in the seminarist’s case), this could actually make the quest easier in a different way, and certainly far more fulfilling. As I imagine it, what could be more fulfilling than sharing your gift with the world, not as a solitary soul apart from the world, but alongside someone whom you genuinely love and admire, someone who understands and supports your mission to fulfill your personal destiny in this life?
And why would being a priest or a preacher be any different? Of course, if they marry they will undergo the same tests – the same trials and tribulations that we all undergo. They will be tempted toward infidelity. They will, at some point, consider or at least wish for divorce. Priests and preachers are just human beings, like the rest of us. They are not perfect. But this, as I see it, is no reason that they should refrain from family life altogether – just because there is a chance that they might “fail” at it. Even if one were to fail, perhaps that would only make them all the more qualified to help and council others. At least they would have some understanding of the subject they were talking about.
Wishing you all the best, Heart!
With Much Love,
Savita
Great reflections again, as always Savita! What you say about writers was a new angle to me. It’s funny, because one of the reasons I left the Lutheran church was I found the Catholic church to be much more feminine, with the devotions to Our Lady. Now you show me an example where the female is encouraged, by allowing the female voice even during sermons (even though women often do readings also in the Catholic church). I don’t have strong oppositions to female priests, even though I never had ambitions in that direction myself. Somehow, most of the female priest I have encountered are VERY masculine, but perhaps I have just been ‘unlucky’ with my experience. I have been very lucky in having a couple of very intimate friendships with two Catholic priests (one as entirely spiritual father, the other as entirely friendship), and I must say, I doubt I would have been so close to them as I am, if they were married and had children, just because they wouldn’t have been as free to explore the relationships if they were committed to another person. You can imagine everything a priest gets to know in confession, which MUST be kept 100% confidential. It probably would be hard to keep this secrecy seal if one were married? I don’t know.
What you say about Pilar and the Seminarist, I fully agree with you. It is wonderful how she can most of all perhaps be a comfort to him, because I believe any Ordained person, must be so so lonely, without that relationship to another human being in flesh and blood. Even though the Church often was pretty wise, setting up female and male convents not too far from each other, so they had more frequent male/female relationship than one would think, something you can find in many of the saints stories.
No doubt living a family life, and you being so lucky to be a mother, enrich every aspect of us. You know often ordained people also was ‘part of family life’ (i’m not thinking of horror stories now!), as their vocation often involved visits to families and they would run schools and hospitals, and you know all those ministries there are. No doubt having a child takes a lot of time, and if you as a mother came to a convent telling them you want to become a nun in your situation now, they would tell you because you are a mother, that is your first responsibility, so you could pursue as a lay person to engage in a certain spirituality. About the future of the Religious and the Church, I don’t know…instead of speculating, let me just say; we have to wait and see!
All the best to you too!
Love and Admiration,
heart
One of my friend is a successful writer. She is married with children. She writes science fiction books and her books are being translated in several languages. Inspirational.
She lived in the desert which in itself was a bit like “science fiction” – to me anyhow -