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40 Responses to “The Tradition”
Comment Page 1 of 11
Hello,
I’m wondering about the other pilgrimage, especially the one to Rome. You say that it’s connected to the subtil world. Where does this knowledge come from? Interested in the subtil world, I’d like to learn more about it, where could I find or read informations about the pilgrimage to Rome in his Tradition’s aspect.
Thanks for anserwing to this question.
J
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having just read ‘the pilgrimage’ again, would like to say how refreshing and totally inspiring your story/journey was to me. do you still feel that life is leading you?..
Thank you.
Sue
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HI!PAULO…
I READ THE PILGRIMAGE ,AND AM INTERESTED IN DOING THE RAM PRACTICES.IS IT OK IF I DO ALL THE PRACTICES OR SHOULD I OMIT FEW.
PLEASE DO REPLY.WAITING IN ANTICIPATION!
-NIRMIKA
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A good comparison in my personal life with the Pilgrimage and the Sword has been 13 years of medical school and medicine. This journey has taken me on many ups and downs. Like the RAM i have performed many exercises to be a doctor, but these were simply exercises to prepare me for the reality which was hugely different.
There are real ups and downs, crises in confidence, material worries, the changing of your character as a very particular Tradition i.e Medicine exerts its influence on you for good and bad.
And the Sword? The question is what will you do with it is the greatest question.
I have been blessed by Adventures into places where War has shown me the ugly side of man. I have felt rage so bad at atrocious injustices i too have wanted to kill with a rage i feel sad to have found in myself. Yet i have emerged stronger, richer for the experience of seeing War criminals, rapists, murderers, and yet so many more Angelic people, whose goodness and simple wisdom gives so much hope to one.
Don’t get caught up on exercises, don’t get caught up on the journey, don’t get caught up on the sword. The secret of the sword is what you do with it.
For me the reward has been and always be the job i do with the multitude of different people io have seen as Police Surgeon, overseas volunteer and now Plastic Surgeon, regardless of future material comfort, this is the living breathing reward.
That is the freedom to be the kind of person who you really are, that is the Sword.
Paulo- perhaps a novel on a Surgeon? I have some great material you could use.
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As Hildegarde, wrote so beautifully “it’s better to be silent until consciousness is ready for the treasure.” I have read/ devoured many of my dear Paulo’s books and find this to be a resonating through them all. Perhaps this is why our dear “teacher” is making us wait for his answers to our questions?
I am learning to reduce the inner “static” and listen to the voices and messages of God, mother Mary and the Universe to guide me. Learning patience is so difficult, but something Petrus teaches as well, in fact most of the “teachers” in his books communicate this lesson.
The truly amazing thing I have discovered through “The Pilgrimage”, is meeting my own messenger. I always described someone else (human) as my messenger from God- but about 2 days after reading that part of the book and having my home “blessed” in a specific Catholic ceremony by a priest friend, I had an amazing dream in which I met a loving Spanish woman whom, without any details here, was obviously my spiritual guide or an angel or a protector. Her name became clear to me and it was a name that is unusual but has popped up throughout my life in different ways.
Thanks to all the “posters” for indulging my little rant here…
Thank you, Paulo- I pray for you daily and Thank God for “accidentally” finding The Alchemist in the library sell-off bin for .25cents in 2007. You are a generous soul and wonderful teacher in my life.
Love,
Ana
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Does the tradition walks the fourth way?…
Love
Hildegard
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Hello , i just read you book and i loved. It was so fascinatig and i am really intrested in RAM and The Tradition. Can you please tell me how one can be part of that?
Thanks ,
With love Roxana
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Petrus says: “The only way to take a rightful decision is to recognize the wrongful decision. Examine the other path, without fear and morbidity, then decide.”
I came across “I-Ching”, and the central concept is that in all situation, there exists the best and the worst way of conduct, and the “sage” discovers et adopts the best. Then it says that I-Ching is not an instrument to predict future, but a compilation of profound words that reflect the interior of the human spirit (mind), helping develop the intuitive capacity. I-Ching helps to find an answer to a question, helps to find the answer within one person. So at that moment, Petrus was referring to I-Ching. Well, his words are part of that.
I am now reading a book that is entitled “Platon not Prozac, Philosophy as a pill” by Lou Marinoff. And I see in words what I practice since well far away without knowing. You know, in my education, philosophy is a little moment of 3 months in Québec, and well then, at that age, I had my drug related problem and was like not all there and followed a path that was parallel. I realize that many today forgot or lost or were not brought to exploit their capacity of contemplating philosophically, of developing the ability to contemplate, of making, referring to create their own philosophical thoughts, to take the time to comprehend what is all there present at the moment, know oneself, discover the motives, form new convictions, act to attain goals and find serenity.
The Chinese philosophy tells that we are not entirely responsible of a situation, but that it is our obligation to find a better solution. For I-Ching, if we take the wrong path to accomplish what we aspire, we will undergo problems further ahead. To find the better solution permits then to not only benefit of a situation but also take profit of a false step.
So, if I understand what Petrus was telling, is that it is always good to see both, since learning will be acquired by visiting both. Visiting the wrongful decision brings to visit a place that I do not wish to be, but helps me to know things that I need to know to follow my path.
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The Seed Exercise is very similar to a Sufi exercise. I used to do Rumi Yoga, and we had an exercise almost identical to that which you describe Paulo. I believe it also was called the Seed.
The Tradition must exceed specific religions, though you say RAM is an Order in Catholicism. The Tradition is very confusing. Perhaps because these informations are not given out easily.
love
C.
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Dearest Paulo,
would you mind elaborating on the faces of RAM and N. please, you saw during the dance exercise, who are they, whose spirits?
love
C.
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Dear Paulo,
I wonder if you could clarify this for me, because I am a bit confused: Is “The Tradition” spoken of in The Pilgrimage the Templar Tradition in some modern form? And is RAM and The Tradition the same thing, or two separate but connected entities/societies?
Thank you!
Savita
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RAM is part of the Tradition. As the templar rituals also are. But there is no relationship between the two.
That said, there is no such a thing as “modern form”. A Tradition does not change with the time.
Love
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Savita Vega Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Thank you.
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Alexandra Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Dear Paulo, may I ask you when did appear The Tradition, I mean RAM,if you do know from which period of time ? Just being curios and if you can add something about its roots, I will surelly appreciate.
Hoping to receive answer
Love
Alexandra
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Hello Paulo :)
So RAM and the Templar rituals are part of the Tradition. So this does not make the Templars The Tradition, The Tradition would be older than the Templars, and this does not necessarily make you a Freemason, or would learning about the Tradition and getting a sword make one a Freemason??
love
C.
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The initials J & B stand for St. John The Baptist? and he was the founder of this order of Masons/Freemasons? This is the same as The Tradition?
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Jakin & Boaz, the two pilars in King Solomons Temple??
What is the significance of these temples? Is it related to The Tradition?
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Oh so many questions!!
Dear Paulo, so you are a Knight of the Sword? 15 degree Mason?
Above I meant: ‘what is the significance of the Pilars, not the temples’!
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Alexandra Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Honestly, some traits of the novel might lead towards such ideas. I was wondering on that too. Than we have almost none chance to know more on that, as I know is really forbidden rvealing things about the ceremony or significance.
Heart Reply:
August 16th, 2009 at 3:27 am
Hi Carolena!
I remember Paulo once said about secret societies, that there really are no secrets. Recently, I came over a book called; ‘The Templar Revelation. Secret guardians of the True Identity of Christ’ (1998) by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. It might give you some clarifications, as it did me. It’s a historical approach for the most part, more than giving real life insight. It draws lines back to Egyptian’s Isis and explains some of the controversies in how to understand several central biblical figures, including St. John the Baptist and St. Mary Magdalene.
Heart
In this book I thought that, RAM and the Tradition are two seperate entities….with different associations (e.g. The Devil in RAM has a different meaning, to the Devil in the Tradition, where he is neither good nor evil).
And it is said that the Devil is in the detail, which clearly here it is.
I have started to do some of these exercises of RAM, and I think they are very powerful. Thank you.
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I am reading The Pilgrimage now - almost at the end - and I am very intrigued by The Tradition. Greatly intrigued. “Why is this?” I ask myself. It is not because RAM is a “secret” society, because I know that the wisdom of “secret” societies is not really secret at all. It is not the aura of mystery that attracts me. It certainly isn’t the promise of power, because power has never been an aspiration of mine. (It is enough for me - the thought of attaining power over MY OWN life. I have no desire for power over the lives of others.) Nor is it the possibility of gaining certain occult “powers” that attracts me. The Sanskrit word for these is “siddhis,” and I know that they are never to be sought after as a goal - an end in themselves. In fact, if not attained under the proper guidance and in conjunction with adequate wisdom (i.e. if one does not know how to put them to proper use) they can actually be more of a hinderance than a benefit, as they tend to distract one from the real goal. These powers come, they go - they are of no real import, nor do they necessarily signify that one is truly “advanced” on a spiritual level. This is why they can also be used for great evil. Anyone can develop them, with adequate diligence and practice.
So now I’ve listed all the things that are NOT at the core of my interest in The Tradition. So what then is it that attracts me to RAM? (Obviously, I’m working through this question in my mind as I write.) There are certain words and phrases that rush through my mind: synchronicity, the symbolic mind, the connectivity of all life, the realization of events and experiences as having a greater meaning than they appear to contain on the surface…. The waterfall, for example, the encounter with the dog - the deeper meaning of these events in terms of Paulo’s quest and his life as a whole. This way of understanding the world, this way of translating events and circumstances - this way of walking the road of life - is that which comes most naturally to me.
It is almost like living in two realities at once. One reality is that which is governed by cause and effect - the reality that is generally accepted by society as the only reality. But then there is this whole other reality - this whole web of interconnected existence, where things point to other things (”signs”), or where one thing affects or “causes” another thing on a level that is not readily perceptible by the five senses (”synchronicity”) - there is this whole other dimension (or dimensions) on which we are living, and yet few seem to notice this. And this other dimension is not an “afterlife” or some “other place” - it is, rather, interwoven with the living moment, the here and now of our very existence.
The practices of RAM detailed in The Pilgrimage, the hints of The Tradition which we are afforded in this book, seem to me to point toward a deep recognition and understanding of this other dimension(s) or reality. That is what interests me.
I look forward to learning more in the future.
Thank you for this wonderful book, Paulo!
Sincerely,
And With Much Love,
Savita
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Savita, I would say the same thing, only you said it so well and eloquently. That is also what interest me. I look forward to hearing more on it as well. Paulo said he would post on it later this year!
Love
C.
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Hildegarde Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:13 am
…a warm embrace for you dear Savita…open heart.
xxx
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THELMA Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Dear Savita, thank you for this insightful comment. You have beautifully ’summarized’ a whole philosophy. Yes past-present moment- and future are all ONE, in the Book of Life.
Take care my beautiful friend.
LOVE,
Thelma.
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iamana Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Hello Savita,
I like the way you think! I am less concerned with the context of the specifics of the story about RAM and the Tradition and the Templars and the sword. I wanted to read the book because I am fascinated by El Camino de Santiago de Compestela and want desperately to make that journey myself. What I liked so much in Paulo’s books is that each person can find their own meanings and messages relevant to their needs, situations and life through his stories because they are so complex. The human existence -our spiritual essence and development is uniquely personal and ever dynamic. In reading, I realized I have much prep-work to do before I should endeavor that journey. Not doing so would cheat my experience.
The RAM exercises are universal- others have discussed origins in various disciplines, including psychology. It’s the process that matters.
One’s sword- a metaphor. “Wherever is your treasure, there will be your heart” (p48) describes our personal quest- for peace, for love,power, knowledge- for whatever reward we seek- what we will risk everything for- that is what we truly love. It is necessary to surrender the idea that we are in CONTROL, in order to receive the great gifts God wants to give us (our sword?) It isn’t necessary to know HOW we will achieve or have something happen. We must only ask with a pure heart and believe God will give us what is best for us. Even when I haven’t gotten what I wanted, in hindsight, I’ve usually seen that it was a good thing it worked out the way it did because something else happened that was better.
How much nicer it is to receive a gift, than to grab something for ourselves. When I take or force something to happen- it never really seems all that great once I’ve gotten it- as opposed to when I’ve received it unexpectedly as a gift. At least that’s my thought, anyway.
Love to all,
Ana
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I am interested in learning of the RAMbut till yet I am convinced I need no tradition for my spiritual search.
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Monika Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I have to correct myself:
Of course I have already learned something about the Tradition of RAM through Paulos “Conversations with the master”, which touched my soul in a very specific way. I have saved all explanations as well in my heart as on the computer. (I have also an ordner with your explanations and stories, Paulo. I saved all those that concerned my individual questions of the search and in some ways these are similar questions you once asked your master, Paulo.)
I guess the idea of the wol is also based on this Tradition.
In this sense I already have some insights and I would really like to know more. I considered my quest not as finished by far and I am ever thankful for more inspiration.
Love
Monika
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Dear, Coelho!
Nowadays I am reading your books.
I finished reading .
Your words from soul was so beautiful. Thank you.
In RAM, is the practice done actually? Or Symbol?
It seems that RAM has very long tradition.
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I need some more about that …What is it? A relligion? A way of living? A knwoledge? Is related in some ways to lost beliefs? I mean is it a thing from ancient worships form?As the Templiers?
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What I love about The Tradition is that what is given to you comes from what you are, share from within.
You have to walk your own personal legend yes there is a movement coming from the Tradition and it’s sound do you hear with your heart.For me it’s related or is natureand every moment is RAM when you are nature.
I read that you are going to share about the Tradition and I understand that it takes time to explain…and I don’t think it’s a secret only sometimes it’s better to be silent until consciousness is ready for the treasure…and this brings me to Annie’s question…about your sword.
How many of us can handle the sword?…what does someone do when the sword is in his hands? Like you write that we all have a devil and angel in our hands….
Take your time dear Paulo
Love
Hildegarde
xxx
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I wont to know too. Can you to be our Marter?
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Me too.
Thank you, Dearest Paulo.
Chris.
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Hi Paulo,
I really love your books, thanks for the light that you bring to my life!
What does your master mean when he said “Trample the lion and the serpent, The lion cub and the dragon will make shoes for your feet”?
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Why no comments here? Paulo, were you not going to talk about RAM?
Seems like there is definitely something more to it than just the exercises you talk about in the book. If they were only such exercises, one might as well call it meditation and yoga. But no, there is something more definitely, something secret that is not shared openly. Won’t you enlighten us Paulo?
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:52 am
I will Carolena. But I need a lot of time to explain, so probably I will make a post later this year
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Paulo dearest!! Thank you so much!! I look forward to it with anticipation!
With love,
C.
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Annie Reply:
July 17th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Could you possibly also tell us, about the practices of RAM on the other Pilgrimages..? i m very interested for the one to Rome…
please?? Oh, please, oh please, oh please ?
Love and Graditude
Annie
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 17th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I will. But later this year.
love
Annie Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
As Carolena says, I am looking forward to it with anticipation :)
Thank you!! (this post will be very popular I think!! :) )
With Love and Graditude
Annie