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35 Responses to “Tradition of the Sun”
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I still dont understand the tradition of the sun and the moon… and am so confused … anybody can explain???
Thx
Hanan
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I think the Tradition of the Sun is the easiest to see, and the most difficult to live.
The most difficult things to learn, are the most obvious.
It’s difficult to learn by everday’s life, because we generally don’t pay too much attention to it.
On the other hand, when we find a master who put him/herself on a higher level, our attention is caught, and we “learn”.
Simple things are the most difficult to “understand” completely, especially for adults, while children learn easier, cause they allow knowledge to fullfill them, and they have no prejudices.
That’s why Jesus said that the most complete Faith is the Faith of children.
Love.
Chris
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Namaste,
The Tradition of the Sun seems to be the path of Faith more than knowledge. In physical terms it’s more right brained… not so much verbal. More intuitive. It’s as if the Magus absorbed the world emotionally. His words were brief and to the point because of that. He allowed experience to teach Brida what she needed to know from his tradition.
When I read it this last time, I was reminded of the Rabbi and his son in Chaim Potok’s The Chosen. The boy absorbed knowledge like a sponge, so his father taught him empathy through silence. In some ways, the Magus’ teacher was teaching him through silence as well.
Love to you
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“La Tradición del Sol se revela siempre a todos los que miran al mundo como si lo estuviesen viendo por primera vez”. Brida de Paulo Coelho
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Una de las más importantes lecciones de la Tradición del Sol era el Amor. El amor era el único puente entre “lo invisible y lo visible”.
Del libro de Brida de Paulo Coelho.
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Dear Ninni let’s do the twist then…
a bee going into the heart of a flower is sex for me…as the Magus who is going into the heart of the Sun and the Wicca into the Moon
and when we do the twist then we are one sexy family…
kisses
Hildegarde
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I did the the Via Francigena from Pavia to Rome I was alone for 21 days before I meet any other pilgrims. I found my gift, but I do not know if I should do the tradition of the moon or the sun… According to the book it depends on the gift. So wich gift goes with what?
Love Malin, yes you know me, I am still here.
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Marta Adriana Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 am
Malin
I think that people who are able to develop one of the nine spiritual Gifts mentioned in St. Paul’s First Epistle to the Corinthians should follow the Tradition of the Moon first. I don’t mean by this that they should be exclusively devoted to this tradition, because in the book is mentioned that , in fact , both traditions are the same and the only difference is the way of learning. Later on , these people might follow the tradition of the Sun too. On the other hand, The Tradition of the Sun is the way of common people, people who have no a strong inclination toward the development of the above mentioned gifts. Everybody on Earth has a Gift: be it writing, teaching, painting, repairing things, and it is through these that God’s garden is built up by ordinary men and women who usually don’t realize the greatness of their way of serving the world . This is what I understood from the book.
However, in The Magus the author of the book states that these two ways lead to the same place : the magical knowledge understood as the ability to use certains gifts that NOT every human being is able to develop, which is a contradiction to what I understood in Brida concerning the Tradition of the Sun. By the way, in The Magus the Tradition of the Moon is called The tradition of the Serpent and the other one the Tradition of the Dove in which all should depend on a Master. So maybe it’s better to wait for Paulo to refer to these things soon as he said .
Love
Adriana
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Malin Robertsson Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Dear Adriana,
thank you for your answer! I am looking for my master…
Love Malin
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Marta Adriana Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Dear Malin
It was my pleasure! So good to know you’ve already began.
Love Adriana
Savita Vega Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
…and you can be sure that your Master is looking for you.
Carolena Sabah Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Hello Marta,
I looked online in St. Paul’s First Epistle to the Corinthians to find the nine spiritual gifts, but I did not find it. Do you know them that possibly you could share with us?
‘ these two ways lead to the same place : the magical knowledge understood as the ability to use certains gifts that NOT every human being is able to develop, which is a contradiction to what I understood in Brida concerning the Tradition of the Sun’
It’s a bit confusing, and I believe it is because a very simple specific definition is being concealed.
The two ways, of the Sun and the Moon, correlates also to, I can’t remember specifics from the book, but the concept of a Builder or a Planter, Sun and Moon. Wouldn’t you agree?
Thank you for your information!
love
C.
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Savita Vega Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Dear Carolena,
It is, among other places, to be found in 1 Corinthians,ch 12:
“For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
Marta Adriana Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Dear Carolena!
The nine spiritual gifts mentioned in Saint’s Paul First Epistle to the Corinthians are: the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing , the working of miracles, prophesy, the discerning of spirits, speaking in tongues, and the interpretation of tongues.
As to your question I agree with you. I think Fernando Morais didn’t explain the two traditions well, because I think that everyone is able to develop at least one gift be it following the tradition of the moon or the sun.
I also don’t think you mandatory need a master to follow the tradition of the sun. Experience itself can be your teacher, even though if you want to go deeply into it you might need a person who can broaden your own experience with the legacy of our ancestors. This legacy is what I understand as The Tradition mentioned in several Paulo’s books.
By the way, I don’t understand all of the the nine gifts , so maybe I was wrong assuming that only people with a natural tendency toward extrasensorial experiences should follow the tradition of the moon. According to the book, the presence of such a tendency manifests itself in having very small , attached earlobes.
When you’re born with a more highly developed gift this is manifested in your physical traits. Wicca says that even though she didn’t have her gift that highly developed as Brida she was able to develop it taking great pains.
It is also mentioned that both Traditions have been in charge for keeping the Gifts for generations to come througout the time.
So it means the nine gifts are also developed in the tradition of the sun.
What I know for sure is that I don’t feel like performing rituals or becoming a witch ( tradition of the moon), so I think my path ( or my way of learning) is the tradition of the common people, the tradition of the experience ( the tradition of the sun).
Much love to you all.
Savita Vega Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
That is very interesting about the Tradition of the Serpent, Marta, and thanks for offering that information. I have two tattoos on my body - one on my lower back, of a serpent, the other over my heart, of a red dragon. Of course I researched the symbolism behind each image before I got it, but the impulse toward the choice of these images was purely intuitive. I knew what I wanted before I ever researched the symbolism, because it seemed that these images were branded in my very soul somehow. I felt like they meant something to me on some seep level that I could not quite access consciously. Crazy as it sounds, I almost feel like they are leading me toward something. The feeling is that these symbols mean something that I haven’t learned yet, or perhaps that I have learned (such as in a past life) but have forgotten. So, every time I see a serpent or a red dragon, I look closely, thinking, “Is this the door I am meant to enter?” Because somewhere out there, I have this feeling, there is this “door” (this metaphorical door) I am meant to enter, and I will recognize it by these symbols. So far, I have encountered a lot of serpents and red dragons here and there and everywhere, but never yet has my intuition said, “This is the door you are meant to enter.”
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Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Thank you Savita for the information!
So if one possesses these gifts of prophecy, healing, tongues, interpretation of tongues, faith, miracles, discerning of spirits, wisdom and knowledge, one should follow the tradition of the moon. Funny how these are stated in the bible, yet it calls for the tradition of the moon. And so how about the tradition of the Sun? no gifts at all? just ordinary living?
Marta Adriana Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Dear Savita!
How I like your comments , they are so profound! Thank you for them.
I think these two images might be a sign for you to follow.
Well I don’t know anything about dragons, but I can tell you about the meaning of the Serpent and how it is understood in the Catholic religion. I found this in Veronica decides to die. So all my knowledge about this comes from Paulo.
The Virgin ( the female energy) is usually portrayed stepping on the serpent ( meaning wisdom). This means that love, and inspiration are beyond or above wisdom and knowledge.
All of this is related because Paulo said that the tradition of the moon is knowledge plus rituals. That is why , this tradition of the moon is also called of the serpent.
Love
Adriana
Marta Adriana Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Carolena!
I think I was wrong and the nine gifts are developed in the tradition of the sun too. Read my comment above.
Take care
Adriana
Carolena Sabah Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Thank you for the information Marta!
It is very much appreciated!
love
C.
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Viola Reply:
October 8th, 2009 at 12:48 am
To be perfectly honest I could call myself a true believer in magic in everyday life. Ever since I read Brida my focus is on 2 things - the spiritual gift and the soulmate. Before I read your comment I thought you have to have a master and follow a certain tradition and along the way you will find your gift and develop it, and hopefully that also means you will find your spolmate.
But your post, Malin, intrigued me very much. You say you’ve found your gift on the Via Francigena pilgrimage, right? (I know Paolo begins ‘Brida’ with the mention of the same pilgrimage, that’s how he met her, actually)
My question is - HOW?!!? You obviously did not follow a tradition and you say you are looking for your master so how did you manage to find yor gift on your own? Did you have a guide like Paolo did in ”The Pilgrimage”? To put it in a words of an eager five-year-old trapped in a 22-year-old body - wow, how did you do that?! ;)
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Is there a website where more information can be found on the tradition of the sun? I have found a lot on the tradition of the moon (and this was quite clear from the book itself as well), but the sun seems to be much less popular.
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Paulo Coelho Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm
There are several names for the Tradition of the Moon and the Sun. I will comment on them later this year
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sido Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 am
Pending a little poetry of feeling, as a glance in passing: “I like to think that the moon is there, even if i does not belong ” - Einstein
I also like feel the connections , even in passing …
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Hildegarde Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dear Sido …
I’m not Einstein only I have the same feeling…
thank you for sharing
xxx
talvez a tradição do sol seja muito mais fácil de ser aplicada… pela grande maioria das pessoas…. mas é muito menos “quista”… a ver pelo número de resposta entre os dois tópicos…. Ter a Magia na rotina parece ser muito “sem graça”… melhor seria viajar entre os mundos….
beijos Paulo, amo vc!
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I feel Tradition of the Sun is a more solitude journey. It is when your instincts is stronger than any physical tool, or becoming a student. It is about your energy with nature, the world, universe.
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I totally understood - suprisingly and thankfully - the two traditions.. and had never comprehended that the two dynamics of thoughts or, traditions as they appear in this book, were in fact conceptualised as two realms.
After reading Brida, i began thus to see how i had found challenges in my own life - especially identity - since i had never conceived of the two realms as dualities.
I had thought i should be able to be equipped well in verse in both.. thus found annoyance and disillusion at not progressing far in any sort of personal spiritual growth. i needed - from what the two traditions convey - to be fully attentive to one aspect and not try to rule the world/ dominate all aspects of the universe ;o)
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Goldmund Reply:
July 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Dear Cathy,
The traditions are, in my own experience, two ways we are mostly inclined to when learning. Someone takes Path of The Sun or The Moon, but someone wants to master both. Just like you had experienced, I tried both. Very soon, I realized it is not good to be “Jack-of-all-trades, but master of none”, and almost without notice, like “thief in the night”, I found myself well along The Path of The Sun. This was when and where my development started to bloom…
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Nina Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Goldmund and Cathy,
you guys sound like you are familiar with these traditions. What is this all about? I mean, I know it has to do with some kind of pagan ‘Tradition’ but where did this tradition begin from, who invented it, and what are the Traditions? and what are the differences between those of the sun and those of the moon?
Since Cathy you totally understand the two traditions and Goldmund you have experience in them you guys seem to be the best people to ask! Thanks ya?!
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Hildegarde Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am
Dear Nina, Goldmund and Cathy,
When you talk about the duality of the Traditions dear Cathy…I didn’t saw it either … and still I don’t understand. What is the difference when you are a Master of the Moon or the Sun?
The tradition of the Moon…does it have to do with time and the memory to our ancestors…how can you be a Master of time?
and the Sun…is to be the Master of yourself, all lays within yourself so we can be our own master?
What I do feel is that the moon is the light of the sun and so dear Goldmund I also feel myself more related to the Tradition of the Sun.
It can be a contradiction because a woman is related with the moon and being a woman…I struggle with this even when I see God as a wo-man.
So I have to go further then gender…
Yes dear Nina… What is this all about?
Love
Hildegarde
xxx
Nina Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Don’t ask me Hildegarde as I tend to look at things sexually so to me the tradition of the moon as the Magus was in would make him a gigolo, tradition of the moon, women, having a lot of sex, where the tradition of the sun, would be more family oriented. I told you don’t ask me, I have a twisted way of looking at things!
Hildegarde Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Dear Ninni let’s do the twist then…
a bee going into the heart of a flower is sex for me…as the Magus who is going into the heart of the Sun and the Wicca into the Moon
and when we do the twist then we are one sexy family…
kisses
Hildegarde
Nina Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 am
Sounds good to me Hildegarde.
but I still want an answer. I don’t think anyone here really knows the answer. They’re all pretending… otherwise, someone would have spoken up! there’s no such thing anyway, it’s fiction Paulo made up for the story!
Hildegarde Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
The answer is within…I love Sido’s comment above
xxx
Catherine Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
hello. sorry - i only just read the new comments.. for some time, people had only written on the Sun tradition page… and so, i let it be. ;o)
So happy to have your response and I should love to answer your question.
Whether it is fiction or not, I still found the idea of two distinct, possible pathways to deeper thought processes an elightening aspect.
It’s been a while since I wrote what I did, so since I am at work, I shall recall some thoughts and write them here .. manana! xx