Quote of the Week

by Paulo Coelho on July 27, 2009

Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists. Save your energies!

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supia August 2, 2009 at 5:13 am

Summer vacation Till wed.
After come back, I want to talk with.
‘isbtances’ What does it mean?

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Never heard the word “isbtances” but I am familiar with the phenomenon of enlightened gurus extending these little “jolts of energy,” referred to as “shaktipat,” resulting in various “graces.” See wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktipat

marie-christine August 3, 2009 at 9:44 am

abstinence perhaps?

marie-christine August 1, 2009 at 9:14 pm

“Celui qui cherche un frere sans defaut, reste sans frere.”
Djalal ud D’in Rumi

“The one who looks for “a perfect” brother, ends up without any.”

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Kamy August 1, 2009 at 6:30 pm

It’s their inner voice that should be telling them this not someone else!

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Ilva-Asote August 1, 2009 at 4:40 pm

“Go back to sleep” – I like it!!!
In my native language I use to say “go back to sleep” (=”ej gulēt!”)
when I do not want to talk to him or her (more often: to HIM)! :)))
Love,
Funny Ilva :)

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Ilva-Asote August 2, 2009 at 12:56 am

Nee, the language or dialect I’m speaking is called Latgalian. From 2004 on, the Latgalian language is the subject of the biggest sociolinguistic/ethnolinguistic poll in Europe (held by the Centre d’Étude Linguistiques Pour l’Europe).

“Ej gulēt!” – that’s in Latvian (historically the Latvian language is derived from Latgalian).

Who is that HIM? You may call him Mr.Shrek. :)

Ivy09 August 1, 2009 at 2:45 am

Yeah, i agree with you that we got to SAVE OUR ENERGY! But we also gotta stop caring too much about other’s life. People are so greedy and always wish what they can’t have, no matter is it other’s happiness, other’s house, cars or etc. We simply have to focus more on our selves and our lifes in trying to find or build our own happiness.

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Ilva-Asote July 31, 2009 at 10:46 pm

The Latvian writer Anna Brigadere wrote her first children’s fairytale play “Sprīdītis” in 1905.

The hero Spriditis (his name in Latvian means: a very short boy) is a young boy whose mother dies and father remarries. So, one day he finds that his home is a narrow environment; he leaves home to see the world and find the Happiness, to become rich and to marry a princess.

When Spriditis enters the forest, he is given a magic whistle and a magic stick by the spirits of the forest. With the help of these he manages to defeat the Devil, who holds the king’s daughter in captivity. As a reward he is offered the princess in marriage. However, he turns his back on the princess and on palatial life and chooses instead to live in the farmstead…

(!!!) Having overcome many hardships, Spriditis realizes some important things: you may reach happiness if you show initiative and if you have gained wisdom and experience; but the best place in the world is your home, where you enjoy love and get support.

Spriditis may be seen as a symbol of young achievers who have acquired knowledge in other countries but will always belong to their nation. Moreover, since 1905 children in Latvia have been brought up on this story! :)

Love,
Ilva

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Interesting ! and true !

as a ethnic group how are latvians placed w.r.t to other groups in terms of migratory tendencies ! ( just a fleeting question ! )

love
aditya

viviana July 31, 2009 at 10:01 pm

Hola!! Como darnos cuenta quien es o no feliz o infeliz? es rara esta frase pero lo que mas me llama la atención es ver que Paulo utilice la palabra “odio” cuando ya simplemente odiar es un gasto de energía inútil

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Melyssab79 July 31, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Living in New York (State) we just today reached a monthly record of rainfall that hasn’t been broken since the late 1800′s…over 100 years! And Amtrak can’t run ’cause the tracks are swimming, basements are wading pools, roads are washed out…and what does this have to do with this week’s quote? Well, the expression “water seeks its own level” comes to mind. As the rain just keeps dumping more and more, water is doing what water does and people do …seeks its own level. The same way water flows to where it meets other water, likewise people act that way…and misery loves company so unhappy people keep seeking the company of other unhappy people…and surprise! They’re unhappy when you don’t want to be unhappy with them, but rather with others who want to be happy as you, too, seek your own level…and so it goes…

Not sure how to change that…you can give a cranky person a smile and wish them the best, but it’s certainly not good for anyone to give up their own sense of well-being because someone else is in a fowl mood. I know a few folks who wear their cranky pants like a uniform and I generally try to keep conversations short, sweet, and cheerful…too much less would make me feel uncharitable; too much more would have me in a hum-drum mood for the whole day…

Meanwhile, my husband swears that despite the rain he’s an optimist…he joked just yesterday that his trick is to keep thinking that the basement is half full. :)

Trying to stay dry and happy,
Melyssa

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Johanne Mercille July 31, 2009 at 10:23 pm

Living next to you, Montreal, is is the same for us. It has not rain like that since 1992 … Can relate to what you express. Jojo

Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm

While your flooded in, you might read William Faulkner’s “Old Man” (one of the two interwoven stories in his novel “Wild Plams: If I Forget Thee, Jerusalem) – excellent tale about a flood. One of my favorites.

Leng July 31, 2009 at 9:08 am

It is exhausting to deal with people who are unhappy because when they see that you are happy, they take it against you. I understand perfectly how we all journey in the pursuit of happiness but what is hard to fathom is how others kill the possibility of happiness just because they are unable to experience it. The world is stragnge place where both love and hate exists. I guess, what makes the difference is with what kind of eyes we are seeing the world. I am reminded of a line from Ayn Rand’s ATLAS SHRUGGED: It is like trying to hold a sunrise in the space within a mud puddle. So I will be saving my energies for holding on to “that sunrise” instead of miserably looking at the mud puddle.

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lezah July 31, 2009 at 4:00 am

WOW!!..you peeps are making me happy just by reading your posts ;) ..

But you all got me thinking of my own experiences being with unhappy people…well, i should really say misirable people. Being with misirable people made me so unhappy and misirable myself and in the process, i caused others too much unhappines which in the end made me felt even more unhappy than they are…what a waste of my energy!….

So i learnt a very valuable lesson that happiness, like love,respect ,integrity, dignity is something that only ourselves can give to self…We can’t make people happy if we don’t feel happy about ourselves…

I worked towards the goal of attaining peace of mind first because without peace of mind, happiness will be difficult to find..
But it is hard work indeed to find peace of mind in this mad mad world..because to have peace, we need to feel some kind of security like having our basic needs being met, people who love us and accept us the way we are, being able to fullfill our responsibilities to self, families and the society in general…All these things can’t be achieved without working hard to make sure we purify our own thoughts first….To purify our thoughts is the hardest things in the world…but it is the one that can lead us to peace of mind which in turn will make us happy despite the many horrid news we hear and that happiness can be passed on to others….

We’ll find that some people are not comfortable no matter how we try to pass on to them the happiness we feel. We don’t have to worry nor do anything because the energy that surrounds us will weed out those who have not yet found their own happiness…yes “save your energy”…oxooxxo..

lezah

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Yannis July 30, 2009 at 5:36 pm

It is true that, in the present, if we take love or affection, this fact would trigger a past feeling and remind us that we hadn’t received love and affection the (very early) time we needed them. I believe both love and affection result in happiness. So yes, people that have learnt the “unpleasant way”, wouldn’t like to be reminded about the other side of the coin.

But I wouldn’t definitely agree that this is a waste of energy. There are circumstances that it worths a try. We may lose energy or feel disappointment during the process. But that’s a part of our lives too. If it comes naturally to “teach” happiness, so be it!

Besides, everybody deserves a second (…third,…fourth…) chance every now and then!

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Natalie July 30, 2009 at 7:45 pm

I agree Yannis

People are precious and truly worth the deliciousness of effort.

Tho I think it could be the difference between masculine and feminine energy.

David Deida says: “The masculine always wants to bring something to an end because the masculine wants nothingness.”

He wants the unhappiness to end… and sees it as too much energy to embrace, to see through, to process with….

While the feminine is more of a circle in nature – and goes round in things, to incubate them, and talk over and over. THis is normal. A natural way…

I don’t think the rain hates to be reminded that sunshine exists – it just rains and rains like unhappiness does sometimes. Though if we don’t experience and be fully present… we miss the rainbows… as well as the nourishment to our soul…The mutual growth and stretching of ourselves to meet another in glorious treasured connection. And those sparkling spreading colours of rainbowed joy spanning love acorss the horizons – are certainly worth the energy, time, space, and presence for me.

luscious love
Natalie

Gilfranz Geolingo July 30, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Dear Sir Paulo Coelho,

Upon discovering this site, and upon learning that you indeed take time in reading the comments of you readers, I was simply filled with joy. I was filled with joy knowing that I now have the chance to tell you how much I admire you and your works. This might be the closest encounter that I will have with you but I just want to take this chance. I know that millions of people have given complement about your works but I just want to thank you for being different. I really appreciate the fact that you have quoted biblical passages and made each work of yours an eye opener to every reader. I’m so happy to have personally thanked you and let you know that I thank God for blessing you with such wisdom. God bless you Sir!

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Marlene July 30, 2009 at 11:03 am

the more I understand – I am happier

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Ilva Asote July 30, 2009 at 1:19 pm

The more I know, the less I understand.
(Tao Le Ching – The more you know, the less you understand.)
Ilva
:)

aditya July 30, 2009 at 6:52 am

All spiritual quest, all attempts at self imrovement, self realisation leads one to the inevitable energy issue; we must conserve our energy for progress, so that we can fuel the progress in the desired direction. saving our energy seems very important. Here is a quote from Osho, while talking about Zesus’s words Osho takes a detour to talk about the need to conserve energy, the word he uses is fire.
“it is the innermost fire upon which life exists. If this fire can be raised to a particular level… but it is only possible to bring it to a particular degree if it is not released, and that is why all the religions which use this fire are against sex. If it is released through sex then it cannot be brought to a particular degree, because then you have an outlet. So all the outlets have to be closed completely so there is no leakage of the fire and it reaches the one-hundred-degree point: a certain degree at which, suddenly, the transformatin happens.”

If there any people here who have expereimented with their sexual behaviour, abstinece / indulgence, for a certain period of time or continuously, would appreciate their sharing on this.

love
aditya

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THELMA July 30, 2009 at 7:47 am

Thank you Aditya, for sharing this issue. Until now I have not understood the meaning of the Fire and power of Sex. I did not also understand the meaning of the Virginity regarding Religion. This theme is maybe the most important in the history of humanity. It is the way for … reproduction, the becoming One in the physical planes, a .. full expression of love. It is the power that .. keeps us bound to Earth, but also the ….Bridge leading us to Heaven!! Christianity has blessed it through .. marriage, remember the presence of Jesus in Kana’s wedding. I am looking forward to reading all your comments, my friends.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

marie-christine July 30, 2009 at 11:04 am

makes sense what you are saying Aditya.
:)

aditya July 30, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Sheela,

i have loved reading osho, the chap is made out to be a sex guru, but when one reads him ( better than attending his camps, although some exposure to those camps is essential to visualise his speeches ), he seems to be not exactly a sex guru or even a votary of it.

that brings us to another issue which Liina has raised, that “it is easy to lecature and difficult to follow” very true, and it is also true that people like children don’t follow what is told they too follow what they see. for me the take is slightly diffrent on this, there are some sources whom i know they cannot be wrong, however & whatver their actions may be appearing to me. and just because the person who is haring something is himslef not able to follow it completely, does not make it any less valid, afterall that otehr person is also human, for all his faith, Jesus too had a moment of doubt when he was on the cross, maybe no one on this earth has even lived, who has not had to speak a lie, support a lie, does not make the ideal of living a truthful life any less appealing, or saying a lie any less wrong. i don’t know.

love
aditya

Savita Vega July 31, 2009 at 2:07 am

There have been two periods in my life (each of several years duration) in which I willfully adopted a path of celibacy, and this is my conclusion on the issue:

It is one thing to “conserve” energy (thereby controlling and directing the fire), but it is another thing to “stifle” or “block” energy (the equivalent of throwing water on the fire, in which case, the fire dies and you have nothing to work with). The former, I think, can be very useful; the latter, detrimental and even unhealthy. Of course, what is good for one is not necessarily good for another. I am speaking only from my personal experience and in regards to what works for me.

It is possible for me to negate all sense of myself as a sexual being. This is the act of throwing water on the fire – stifling or completely blocking the energy – achieving a state wherein the thought of sex never enters the mind. But I have found that, when I try this, when I actually achieve it, I become dull, like an unpolished stone – lifeless, stiff and lethargic – in body, mind and spirit.

The other approach is very different. It is the acute recognition and acceptance, yet willful conservation, of sexual energy. This is where you sit in front of the fire and give it all the oxygen it needs, even fan the flames and blow on the coals to make them hotter, yet keep the fire contained. Do not let it run wild. One example of this would be allowing yourself to become involved in relationship with someone to whom you feel intensely sexually attracted, and openly acknowledging the fire between you, yet jointly deciding not to act upon it beyond a certain point. Another possibility would be to act upon that attraction, but only intermittently (every once in a while) and ONLY in a meditative and highly focused state. In other words, sex is transformed into an act of worship. It is taken to an entirely different level, beyond the purely physical.

In my experience, in the latter scenario, an enormous amount of energy becomes available and readily accessible – energy which can then be utilized for other endeavors, which have nothing to do with sex.

For me – and again, I speak just for myself – letting the fire run completely wild is just as disastrous as killing the fire altogether. Both result in a state of dullness and lethargy. Too much sex – sex just for the sake of sex, or worse yet, sex just for the sake of repetition (because this is what we think we are supposed to be doing to continually “prove” that we love one another or to prove that we are “desirable”) – results in a very monotonous and boring existence. It is enough to kill any good relationship, and in the process, drain one of all the energy they need to progress on a spiritual path.

It is easy enough to wholly negate one’s sexual identity and it is equally easy to allow oneself to indulge in purely physical pleasures even to the point of overindulgence and subsequent monotony. But human beings are sexual beings, and I don’t think that the Creator made any mistake in this. The question is – what are we to do with our sexual energy? My answer is not to block that energy completely but to control and transform it into something which transcends the mere mundane. In this way, it becomes like the jet fuel that propels a rocket into space – through sex, we can actually reach the “escape velocity” necessary to propel ourselves into other dimensions. Through the act of sex, we can achieve union not only with the other person but with the Divine. And when this happens, we have more energy to utilize in life, not less.

Laxmi July 31, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Dear Aditya,
There is a story about a sage (a monk who practices celibacy and has renounced everything in life) who sat under a tree. Right next tree was a house of a prostitute.

Every day the sage saw many men come and visit the prostitute.

One day , the sage and the prostitute died and they were at the gates of heaven. God came in front of them…looked at the woman and said that she attained moksha (salvation). For the sage he said that he needed to be born again.

The sage was aghast and asked God why he did not attain Moksha when we spent all his life in celibacy and renounced everything while a woman who spent her life in sin would be allowed to receive Moksha.

God replied: ” although the woman lived a life of sin always /continually thought of me and was listenning to your prayers even when she was with a man and dedicated her work to me. She did what ever she did as a service and was humble. But you ,allthough you sang prayers in my praise all your life, you used to think about what each man was doing with the woman every time you saw someone go in and how you were so superior to all these men and the woman because you were not tempted by the flesh. IT’s the dedictation and humility that matters”

So abstinence by itself has nothing to do with Spritiual growth. But if one does not abstain from having illegal realtionships(extra marital affairs etc) then the spiritual growth will be impacted. Because sex within a marriage(or a monogamous loving relationship) has a purity. And if one has not taken a vow of celibacy and is married , it’s a necessary to maintain the Dharma of marriage.

Laxmi

supia August 1, 2009 at 12:38 am

Dear, Aditya!

I found out an interesting point about Osho, well-known but I haven’t been concerned about him still now. Thank you for acquainting his words, sex & religion.
I know he is a meditator, right?
But, I want to check a fact about him.
When you read his book, did you found out a word about his owing Divine’s powerful energy.
That is to say, dear Aditya, I wonder whether he is a man which reached at human’s core energy level or not.
I think he must not mention about it with certainty because his words is NOT TRUE, if Fire means Light.

Michael Jordan July 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm

Been in that exact state where the last thing I wanted was for someone to try to cheer me up or flaunt their happiness in my face..

You have to want to get out of the rut of unhappiness before you can appreciate what others are trying to do..so yes sometimes you’d be better off saving your energy..the unhappy person will usually at some stage reach out to you and then the energy you saved can be put to use..but until they are ready it can be very frustrating..

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:10 pm

save your energy appears OK, but even so what for, spent my love and more will come, in fact if one is to beleive zesus, one will discover the fountainehead of love, joy within, if one goes on sharing / showering one’s love.

maybe the unhappy people will not become happy even when reminded that happiness exist, so what i still may go reminding in my own way, changing my way, taking a diffrent route each time, it may not make unhappy people happy; what they do is their ‘karma’ what i do is my ‘karma’.

even so one must work towards conserving one’s energy, or should one ?

love
aditya

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Catherine July 29, 2009 at 11:44 am

Blog remarks

Yes!
…..Please
It is ever so condescending!
Unless –
You come with an open heart

——————————————————————–
It is no crime to be unhappy
There is even less shame in being classified depressed
Though you might think it otherwise…

In fact, I should say, there is more shame in mocking unhappiness
Especially whilst celebrating our own happiness.
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I could think of nothing worse, when as a young school girl
Each day I would have to pass a building site;
Where, being a girl and with long hair – it seems were the only requisite factors -
I would be whistled at… by middle-aged builders.
[ It happens a lot in my country. ]
I soon learned to place my hair up, tied in a ponytail and thus passed by unnoticed.

When unhappy, and I was….. for very real reasons
I would be yelped at: “cheer up love”
“It might never happen”

Well, you know, I wish I had recounted back
“It blinking well did happen!”

How I detested their arrogance:

Ignorance, with a dash of closed-mindedness for good measure.
…………………………………………………
It’s very hard to keep a brave face on the world
Especially as a youngster.
The world around you is saying yippee, ain’t life so cool.
Inside, you can feel that you are barely breathing.
You wonder why this feeling has encompassed your being.

…………………………………………………..
For all those who are unhappy
I say, well done you
On making it thus far
Standing here today
Ok, not the swinger of the party
But none the less, “with it”
Your heart is good but troubled,
your soul kind, but hurt;
your mind occupied: concerned.
…………………………………………………..
I am ‘more than happy’ to be of service
Especially for those where the light of hope and faith
May have dimmed, briefly.
I think of all the times they have consoled me, or others.
Now, it is their time to lean on someone’s shoulder for a moment.
It is not a burden I despise.
It is a sacrifice of ego I would happily do over again and again
No matter my own personal “costs”.
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There is much to learn from unhappiness.
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“To everything there is a season”

There is sorrow of a widow feeling her golden age is fading;
Or confusion of a child in the prime of its youth, yet whose inner child is beaten by fear;
There is a divorcee, who misses his family unit and feels alone.
There is the environmentalist, who deeply feels for the state of the Earth.

In fact, facing unhappiness is,
I would say
Part of the “good fight”

Humans are not just party animals, starving for celebrity status,
There is life and death…
And from facing unhappiness,
Sometimes,
It is possible to come to terms with life better..
Because in a way, the soul has died
From unhappiness ;o)
……………………………………….
We are here on Earth to console and to be consoled.
Not just in marriage, but as friends and siblings, children, parents
And even work colleagues on a similar path to ourselves.

The spirit is made manifest to learn and, love
And we as humans have a capacity for compassion.
No one has single control over the truth.

Not you or I can define happiness
Except by our own personal experiences.
So, if you have something to share
Not instructions or dictations,
But guidance, as counselor,
Then it is fair to reach out
to those who deserve:
to those who have reached a stage where pain
is more than their spirit can contain.
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Rebirth is a wonderful thing

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:50 pm

beautiful !

“Rebirth is a wonderful thing” so why till i die, let me be born again, and let me give birth to this new me ? anything wrong !

love
aditya

Natalie July 29, 2009 at 2:01 pm

“Spiritual practice is the capacity to offer your love even when you feel hurt, closed down, tense, angry, misunderstood, or hated.” Davidi Deida

Michael Jordan July 29, 2009 at 5:14 pm

We have that phrase where I live..”cheer up, it might never happen”

It’s horribly condescending and almost always used in a sarcastic manner..I always answer the way you say you want to..although maybe a little stronger..”Too Late..It F’ing well did!”..I suppose I should rise above it and ignore it but it’s so much fun to watch their reaction..:-)

I like your post it has touched my heart..thankyou..

Love,
Michael

Savita Vega July 31, 2009 at 2:18 am

Yes, it is a wonderful thing. And we don’t necessarily have to wait to die in order to be reborn. I know that I have definitely lived several very distinct incarnations just in this one lifetime, and these individuals have about as much in common with one another as complete strangers might.

Liina.L July 29, 2009 at 10:14 am

Yes… I remember that sentence so well.
It is a great movie, and a great book.

:)

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Alexandra July 29, 2009 at 8:21 am

Oh, than I am not unhappy… Because I love to be reminded that happiness exists. Nice, I am already happier.

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Ilva Asote July 28, 2009 at 11:57 pm

***

It’s almost Tradition for me to go to the village twice a week. I do not go to meet my classmates. I go to see Shantay.

July 28, 2009

- „Good morning, Shantay!”
- „Cockoo, Sarema!”
All I could do were stand in front of him paralyzed, while he asked:
- „The same old greetings from your cherry mouth? Why so?”
I stared at him open-mouthed and said nothing.
In the afternoon I remembered to ask him to give me at least one example for 2 quotes from Paulo’s blog:

1)“A warrior of light always keeps his heart free of any feelings of hatred.” /this quote appeared for a very short while on Monday/
2)“Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists. Save your energies!”

So, very shortly what he told:
„When my mother got pregnant, she wasn’t married to my father (he was already dating another woman). And it seems, they both were quite happy… Thus my father decided not to be in my mothers life anymore. And he wanted no part in the baby’s /my/ life, too. From that day, my mother hated happiness of my father. Moreover, she hated all men. So, one day she decided if she gives life to a baby boy, she will simply leave him on the doorstep… But if it is a girl, she will give her love to the child, as well, name – Shantay…”

-„Wow!” I exclaimed. „It sounds like a soap – opera!.. Well, say me, do you hate your mother?”
-„No, I don’t. While my time is ticking, I’m like a cockoo bird in a cockoo clock! So, how can I hate my mother?” He laughed.

Late in the evening he sang a song about Pachamama…

***

Love,
Ilva /”Sarema”/

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peace July 28, 2009 at 11:13 pm

dear everybody who reads my comment
i parked my car once and headed towards the school where i taught,when suddenly i saw a rabbit under a tree.as i tried to reach it,the rabbit started leaping.it was like happiness in my life,leaping in front of me all the time,seems like an endless chase.will there ever be a happy end?even if it is for a moment?i doubt.

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:05 pm

quickly unlearn all u have ever learnt about happiness, burn all your books, discussions, opinions, and look around, happiness !

love
aditya

Mise July 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm

A few years ago I spent at least 4 weeks of my life in a totally HAPPY state! Its true – Life was great! The softest touch of the breeze on my arms was something else – I ran straight to the river as often as I could to sit there and breathe in life – I could go on – it’s the happiest I’ve ever been- it was wonderful:)) Unfortunatley others didn’t see it that way.. but when I was in that state I helped some unhappy people without trying – I was just high on life and that in itself is infectious.

But with the highs come the lows… Some unhappy people want to wallow in the myre and believe me I’ve had my moments but after a while you want to get past that and need ‘happier’ people to help.

I don’t know what I’m trying to say except that the wheel turns – the unhappy person today will be happier 2moro Please God and it might be their turn to cheer us up so I don’t think it is wasting energy talking to unhappy people

Yesterday morning

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Susan July 28, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists. Save your energies!”

This is so true. They just want to wallow in it and live there. If you continually have to tell someone how wonderful life is and that they should crawl out of wherever they are and they in turn find every reason or excuse to stay unhappy then it is exhausting and sucking the life right out of you. It is a no win situation.

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:11 pm

a win is not a win always just as a loss is not a loss always ! starnge are His ways, they say the meek shall inherit the paradise !

so let’s forget about winning or loosing, just give it our best shot, whatever it might be !

love
aditya

T.K. July 30, 2009 at 3:21 am

Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists. Save your energies!

Save your energy is correct. If you think about it, I don’t think unhappy people actually ask anyone for their energy to make them happy. Whatever ‘funk’ they are in, allow them to deal with it in their own way and if they reach out to you for that affection or energy, and you have it to give, so be it. Other than that – let them be!

If you don’t hear from them or their communication is limited with you – don’t take it personal, but just allow them to go through whatever it is they are going through. Save your energy for when it can be reciprocated (if that is what your intention is).

Besides, only that person can define if they are unhappy. Its only our perception of them. Maybe they are just content or choose not to be bothered by others. Just a thought!

candieb July 31, 2009 at 8:22 pm

YES LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elaine Stevens July 28, 2009 at 3:38 pm

That may be, but a good hug never hurt anyone and usually helps. :-)

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Catherine July 28, 2009 at 3:31 pm

Angels LOVE to LOVE..
that’s what their energy is ALLLLL about ;o)

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candieb July 31, 2009 at 8:22 pm

YES THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aditya July 28, 2009 at 1:01 pm

“Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists. Save your energies!”

save your energies ? does it mean one should not remind unhappy people that happiness is a possibility.
love
aditya

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Liina.L July 28, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Maybe it’s not about using Your energy to hopelessly try to convince them, trying to find million different ways… so maybe they would be caught in the “happy” stage that we are, FINALLY!

Possibly Paulo might be trying to say, that people choose those things for themselves. So that if this person is unhappy, maybe they want to stay that way and us trying to persuade them is wasting energy.

Could be, that he’s trying to say that we shouldn’t use our energy trying to persuade, but just live our own lives and possibly be an example (to that person), without trying hopelessly to change someone (WHO MIGHT NOT BE WILLING or WANTING to change).

But these are just suggestions.

When I see, that a person is so into their own world and unable to “listen”, I do not talk about these things.
But when I see that certain shimmer of light, the light of hope, in them, I will try to show, how the world can “be a better place”.
Happiness or explorations or “being aware of life” or whatever we might call it, it’s possible.

All comes down to ourselves again…
damn it !

hehe…

Love,
L.L

Johanne Mercille July 28, 2009 at 3:36 pm

Bonjour Adyta
Save your energies! What comes to my mind reading this is: “God, give me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can and the Sagesse to know the difference”. I think that it is not for me my “duty” to begin to show to the other what he or she has to change, in a subtil way to take in charge his or her life. It is my duty for me to accept and change what I can change about myself. By Being an energy emanates, and that is what is capted by my surrounding. The other is free to do what he wishes with what the Source tries to tell he or she. If a door opens, I will must probably express what I feel at his or her sight, at his or her not smiling, etc, like, “I feel unease, like if you were not satisfied in a way, do you wish to talk or share with me”, something like that, but that is it. But I speak because I am truly touched at the moment and respond to the sensibility that is there in me and to the inner voice that tells me to speak. If the other responds to the opening, well, it will flow. If the other resists to the opening, it is not my combat, so in there I will save my energy. The seed is in the ground. I believe the Source puts on my path those who are ready to change something, and I am always there and ready for them. Because, well, look around and it is a multitude who are not following their dreams, resisting their dreams, others full of Ego, a multitude of people frustrated, angry, depressed, “not happy”. Like Paolo says we must choose the Good Fight. Just for myself, it takes so much energy to follow my path, to grow, to clean and purify, and I think that I must focus on me because the road to my True Self is to be attained. I have the responsibility to work on me, knowing that a special energy will emanate from me day by day that will “talk and transmit” by itself a message to the other, listening to my inner voice that will say “now, yes”, “now, no”. I have the responsibility to go my road, knowing that God hears and takes care of those who are calling for Him, and then He brings them to his Servants, his Disciples. So, I put the energy on me, my Combat, His Combat on a day to day basis, ready and always charged and ready to transmit God’s energy when He puts on my path one of his Child, one of my brother and/or sister. With an affection that grows for you, Jojo

Sevander July 28, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Reminding an unhappy person that happiness exists may come off as boasting to the individual that is unhappy. They know that happiness exists and are probably trying to find ways to get there in their own lives. It is better, I think, to give them tools to find their own happiness, then to remind them of happiness itself. Any thoughts?

Much Love,
Sevander

Johanne Mercille July 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm

Salut Adyta
The quote is from the AA. It is like a way to reprogram, to change the movement from impulsively acting, accepting that there is greater then me at the present moment that governs the moment. First, by accepting what I cannot change with serenity, I stay calm and inspire, expire, I do not let my rational mind control or my emotional mind control. It is a first step for balance for me. Then, I take time to see and observe, to pray and meditate, to share to my God what is there truly for me at the present moment, knowing that He will guive me guidance to what I need to change, to express, to why I should act for me, the other, the world. When Paolo failed for his sword, he could have reacted, but stayed silent, accepted what was there. But then, he had the choice, to believe, to pursue, to have the courage to change what he could with “sagesse”. Once the “sagesse” came, the famous conscience that had to be, he then had an energy, a “celest power” to move and he attained his goal. When was the miracle? When he had that conscience or when he found the sword? Or when he just accepted? With love, Jojo.

Christina Nicholas July 28, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Happiness is one of those elusive words that defies exact definition. But for me, happiness comes with peace of mind, nourishment of love, faith, dreams, hope and honesty.

We all go through our ups and downs, our struggles and triumphs along our paths. We have moments of hesitation and sadness but we can always re-discover our faith and our hope.

But when people lose their path altogether or never even find it, it is clear to see that they are unsatisfied and wholly unhappy with their selves and their life. I don’t believe to ever give up on a person, but I do believe that it is foolish to absorb negative energies of people who have no faith nor love nor hope.

I guess it is about mediating a fine line between trying to give someone inspiration and then letting them find it for themselves, after all there is only so much that we can do if they don’t want to help themselves. People will understand nothing when they chose to be deaf.

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candieb July 28, 2009 at 11:15 am

We say what we want to say in the moment.If they are not happy,who cares?Why should we be the only person listening to their problems and complaints for hours in compassion,absorbing all of their negative energies that leaves you empty?Why pain should be the only one thing expressed?Happiness is a gift that comes,sometimes,like the pieces of light in a dark sky,the sunshines between the clouds,it needs to be expressed too.I know people who are in lot of pain,past scars and I’m there to support them,but I don’t understand why I should be shutting up when I have to express my happiness.I know their reactions come from:past scars,FEAR of change(first of all)..So I do understand their look,their voice on the phone for instance,but guess what?I have changed and wether you like it or not,there’s nothing you can do about.They start to realise it.Some don’t like it.It always been “common” for me to be the listener,and I did tend to not express my joy too because I was thinking”it was too much”.But this is all wrong!Express your happiness people!Express!
To not confuse as well,real friends that have “real” problems and being there for them to listen and support and people who are perpetual complainers,negative people,that tend to not being real friends most of the time.There’s a huge difference,in fact that makes all the difference.

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Santosh Kalwar July 28, 2009 at 10:14 am

Dear all,

-”Happiness is something which you feel, the feeling does not last for long but during those times you are different than who you are.”

-”One cannot easily find happiness, love and death, they are unexpected result of your inputs.”

-”One who knows how to enjoy and smile at himself, also knows happiness is in everything and every deeds.”

-”One wise man once said, “I am not happy but I am also not unhappy”; an old man said to an wise man, “I know why you said like that, I also know you are no different than any one of us, we feel the same but the only thing with happiness is, “It lasts only for few moments and later it is stored in your memories, So either you want to save your energies or release your memories, you are the one to decide.”

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Don’t worry be happy
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-”There are millions quotes and thousand stories about happiness, there are billion books and hundred poems on happiness,
there are
but this poem is different,
how?
because this is about not how to become happy?,
this is about journey,
very long outstanding journey,
a poor boy who fell in love with poor girl,
they both loved each other,
but
poor girl died,
boy was sad and hated being ‘happy’,
he said,’I am not happy and I don’t want to be happy’,
god give me sadness,
after few months, he found another beautiful girl,
they fell in love,
they make love,
later poor boy was happy with new girl,
but wait a moment,
she was not real women,
she was an angel,
she went away, faded away,
again poor boy was sad,
he said again, ‘I am not happy and I don’t want to be happy’,
….[Story continued]….

One night poor boy died,
he met god, and asked-”Why I was not happy?”
god said,”Because you never wanted to be…”

Happiness is in what you do, what you like,
how you behave, how you speak, how you listen,
how you like and dislike, how you love and hate,
whatever and however, wherever and ever,
nobody is happy and everybody is happy,

the poem ended and everyone was delighted,
life is like this journey of poor boy,
moves on and on,
meets different people and have fun,
enjoy what you have in front of you,
why are you worried, Son !
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God bless you all !

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Heart July 28, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Happiness is when YOU share a poem with us :)

Santosh Kalwar July 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm

Sheela,
You are always welcome, appreciated… :)

God blesses you !

and

God bless you all !

Heart July 28, 2009 at 12:10 am

Your quote reminds me of a good Norwegian word; ‘gledesdreper’, which might be translated to ‘joykiller’/lyseslukker/die Spelverderber or estraga-prazeres :)

Adults so very often are gledesdreper for children. A child enthusiastically shows his mom anything alive he found in the nature, and the mom yells; ‘get that thing out of the house!’ A husband can be a gledesdreper for his wife, when she comes home with a new dress, and he says; ‘and how much did you pay for it!’ Or, any one of us sharing our dream with a friend; and the friend comes up with a thousand obstacles, instead of saying ‘Great. Go for it’. Don’t be a gledesdreper.

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Heart July 28, 2009 at 4:36 pm

Thank you Luminita :) Keep shining!

Nancy July 27, 2009 at 11:56 pm

I think we all have a slightly different definition of unhappy people. I feel a person who puts other people down is unhappy somehow. Even if this person lives a very wealthy life, but treat people with no thought there is an unhappy reason for that. These people are the most difficult to bring in happiness because they have the money they believe is so important and so does our society.

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jiji de Belair July 27, 2009 at 10:57 pm

Après une journée remplie de bavardages et de contacts avec de nombreuses personnes, rien n’est plus beau que le silence de la solitude du soir – un désert – que les “autres” n’oseront pas franchir. sauf… alors: Pourquoi être triste quand on est seul(e)?

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SONNET July 27, 2009 at 10:46 pm

But I am Happy…

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Irina Black July 27, 2009 at 9:11 pm

The Atmosphere of happy people is contagious for all.Let’s be Light..

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Natalie July 27, 2009 at 11:21 pm

Ahhh – Yes -it’s delicious!

I am not like that all the time – simply true to what I feel like in the moment. I find even in being in the dark… and authentic people find relief and lightness… depending of whether you want to bring others into it – bringing them down, or Witness and open you to hope/freedom/presence

At my daughters school there is a mother who says that on a bad day she could look for me, because I was “a tonic.” No matter what was going on, I’d find a way to perceive it that was comical and amde her laugh. She thought of me as a drug she could inject joy in doses of giggles.

Once I started I wouldn’t stop – it was like the waves of laughter washed away passing moods of the day…

rosa de los vientos August 1, 2009 at 12:24 am

Beautiful. Tankssssssssssssssss

Insomniac Soul July 27, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Paulo! I thot u r one of those who believe that there is no such thing as happiness…Hav u changed ur mind?

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Paulo Coelho July 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

I did not change my mind, I am not searching for happiness. However, I am not unhappy.

Ivy09 August 1, 2009 at 3:11 am

and what’s wrong with changing mind? aren’t we all learning during all our lifes?
i don’t think that he afraid! actually he’s the one who learned me to don’t be afraid of taking some risk in my life.

James Patrick Joyce July 27, 2009 at 7:02 pm

Even happiness is an imposition, if it’s not wanted.

There is a tendency to want the world around us to KNOW how we feel and to APPRECIATE it.

If it is rude or inappropriate or counter-productive to thrust our unhappiness (which is a natural part of who we are and how we experience) on others… how less inappropriate is it to thrust our happiness on others?

If you are happy, simply be happy. Don’t feel the need to make sure others know just how happy you are. If you do feel the need to thrust your happiness on others, perhaps it’s not happiness you’re feeling.

And if someone is sad, telling them how they can/should be happy is the equivalent of telling them that there is something WRONG with them, right now. We are, in essence, saying, “Fix yourself, you are broken”.

If a happy person tries to fix a sad person, then the sad person may be the least broken.

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Aine July 27, 2009 at 8:43 pm

I like your reasoning James Patrick.

A kind word never broke anyones mouth. A bit of cop on when dealing with people goes a long way. I hope I have a certain amount of that.

Have a good evening.

Johanne Mercille July 27, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Unhappy people hate to be reminded who they truly are. When they are touched, there is a parcel of light that comes, but they have learned and repeat now in an automatic mode to put a cover on it and return to the dark side of life. Like Jesus said, Pray for them, Love your enemies. With affection, Jojo

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puji July 27, 2009 at 6:40 pm

When I let go the fear of being poor, i was never poor again.
When i let go the fear of being alone, i was never lonely again.

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Ivy09 August 1, 2009 at 3:04 am

good choice!

Savita Vega July 27, 2009 at 4:33 pm

All of us are unhappy sometimes, and it is good to have a friend to remind us that there is light at the end of the tunnel. On the other hand, there are some people who seem to be unhappy ALL of the time.

These individuals make unhappiness a sort of hobby or goal in life – and no matter what you say, they will always counter your positive comments with some excuse about why they must remain in this unhappy situation. Furthermore, even if the situation they complain about changes, they will still be unhappy, as they will quickly develop new complaints. Truly, it is a waste of energy to try to cheer up such people or attempt to inspire them to make changes in their lives. There is a saying that goes something like: “When one gets tired of wallowing in the mire, eventually they will get up and get out of it.” This, unfortunately, is about all that can be said for such habitually unhappy and perpetually discontented souls.

I realize that this sounds very pessimistic, but it is, nonetheless, the conclusion that I have arrived at through personal experience. Some people have simply chosen – for whatever reason – NOT to be happy, and they will resist with all their might any attempt that you might make to convince them that the opportunity for happiness exists. To engage in a continued relationship with such a person can be a very heavy burden, as eventually it comes to feel like you are carrying not only your own weight, but theirs too. They have adopted these heavy emotional burdens and they want to enlist your assistance in carrying them. In fact, they will insist upon it – telling you over and over again every detail of how wretched life has been and continues to be for them. Better to just move on and let them wallow in their own misery, until they eventually get tired of it.

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aditya July 28, 2009 at 12:53 pm

savita,,
whether one understands it or not, happiness and unhappiness are our own choosing, situation remaing same. when edison failed 999 times to make a light bulb, he could have been unhappy but no he redoubled his enthusiam and we had light. a man of faith can never be unhappy, s/he may even fight with his god, for the dleays for the apparent misfortunes but not unhappy.

what is happiness and how does one be happy ?

love
aditya

Monika July 27, 2009 at 3:54 pm

Happy people hate to be reminded that unhappiness exists, but unhappy people often like to remind happy people especially in moments of great happiness of its existence, because unhappy people can’t stand happy people’s happiness – it reminds them of their own unhappiness!

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palak July 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm

hey guys..
Since the day i have started reading books by paulo my life has completely changed.I am a student of philosophy and i can completely see that there is a philosophical touch in paulo’s books as well..
I Jus love paulo…
cheers

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Aine July 27, 2009 at 2:25 pm

I don’t like the quote nor do I agree with it. I truly believe that unhappy people yearn for happiness. It will just take them a while to find it and if I can ignite a spark in an unhappy person and help them then that makes me happy! :)

It is afterall nice to be nice. Lead by example.

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Evi July 28, 2009 at 2:07 am

Hi Aine,

I agree with you…
I believe unhappy people are actually seeking for happiness, but they do not have any idea where to search and how to generate it, since, again, they have always been unhappy for all their life.

It’s like asking you to find a ‘fu’ in the jungle (*none of you know what is a ‘fu’, right? so keep searching in vain… :) )

I think if some of us can care enough to at least try to open the heart of unhappy people in a way that can be understood by them the door to the happiness will be opened.

Catherine July 27, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Dear WoL,

I know the feeling of having had to put on a brave smile for many, many years. Inside pain was overwhelming, but life was moving on… How lonely i became .. for being a young child who had experienced much at such a young age… surrounded by peers free and happy and so-called ‘alive’…
I had done nothing wrong… my soul has emotions..
But it was those who might say… cheer up .. as if my emotions were minor by-products. I always felt so very patronised, and never did i feel that the severity of the event had in fact been registered… and this belittled the whole healing process.

how can we say, that as WoL we must seek good, when at the time if the bad, we turn our back if it suits us not.

what world are we if we look for love, power and time… without the balance of death. It is necessary to know both the good times and bad times…. in fact, is it not that real happiness can only be understood after true sorrow?

Yes, many people’s unhappiness can be overwhelming it may seem.. but this is when one should lead by example and with compassion… not expulsion or ostracising…

sometimes it requires a little patience and offering a compassionate {truly not selfish} support from ones heart, to allow the unhappy person conquer their feelings and fear their future no more, because they have been given an opportunity to live it again on their OWN terms.

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Natalie July 27, 2009 at 11:34 pm

Yes!

We need both!

The unhappiness only seems overwhelming when you resist it.

When I spent time with homeless peole… I would ask them of their stories (many of whom had never shared before)… Being around them was heavy and rainng, until the moment I asked sweetly what had happened… When they shared… everything unravelled… and we could smile at the suffering, wipe the tears, and laugh at the funny bits they may not have seen…

But we could only find the joy and laughter, when the pain was met with empathy… Otherwise it was sugar coating shit, or putting on a plaster ebfore clearing out a wound…

The second empathy happens… people can feels at peace and come out of the blocks… Rather than have to fight their corner to be heard… or suppress themselves to fit in.

If there’s a demand on sweet, happy, nice – then we have a superficial world. When there’s understanding and conenction – there’s a sparke of Joy – simply in being Met.

Fun fun fun!

THELMA July 27, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Hate and all other Evil sentiments eat our .. energy! They are dark thoughts that make us live in …. Hell!
Paradise and Hell are not somewhere else … They are in our Souls, if we do not guard it. By sending benign, healing thoughts we brighten our Aura and create a luminous, protective shield around us. On that ‘shield’ all the evil thoughts of envy and hate sent to us by others will ‘knock’ and be returned to their senders.. Only if we ‘vibrate’ on the same level, we will be affected.
So it is a … waste of energy to feel hate…
Be sure those who ‘harm’ you will get it back. The Law of cause and effect.
We just must start … to love our ..Enemies.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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atella July 27, 2009 at 12:59 pm

LOL! It is fustrating to try an explain it…

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giulio camerlingo July 27, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Innanzitutto ciao, sono Giulio e ho appena letto Brida, mi è piaciuto tantissimo, come tutti gli altri naturalmente, solo che quest’ultimo mi ha fatto decidere di scriverti qualcosa, ho sentito la voglia di prendere contatto con te e di farti sapere che esisto e che ti vorrei come maestro spirituale. Chissà se mi risponderai, spero proprio di, in fondo ognuno di noi crede di essere speciale ed unico, e così è, anch’io credo di avere un dono ma non so ancora qual’è. presto Giulio….

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Liza July 27, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Oh dear, I am usually a person full of love. I have so much love to give to the world. However, I had a very painful experience with my love life. I had been brutally abused mentally and physically. I loved too deeply and I found it hard to let go. Therefore I still have some kind of a hatred that I just can’t get rid of towards this person that I once love. It has been almost 2 years but the hatred run deed in my heart.

How do I get rid of this hatred.

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Laxmi July 27, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Liza, I feel sorry for you.

You can try to get rid of this hatred by writing a letter to this person pouring out your thoughts of ‘hatred’/'love’. Write down everything you feel. try to explain each and every feeling to the fullest.

Getting it out in paper can make you fell lighter and free at last of your hatred.
If you still have that bad feeling left, then mail it!!

Good Luck!

Johanne Mercille July 27, 2009 at 7:02 pm

I say to myself at moments similar in my life: I am sorry, I love you. I am sorry for still being that present and I love myself even with that. Each time it comes back, I repeat: I am sorry, I love you. Programmation! Self good programmation! That is what the people in power know as the greatest way to play in the subsconcious minds. And you may ask the Source to clean the way and purify, with faith, and repeat: I am sorry, I love you …, which is the truth since you are suffering with that inside your mind. With affection, Jojo

xaxa July 27, 2009 at 12:33 pm

because hatred only destroys the person who feels it and both the battle and the war are lost before the warrior can even decide whether or not he even wants to fight it. Therefore there remains no warrior. Hatred blocks out all the light and the soul is enveloped in darkness. If there is no light and there is no warrior then there is no warrior of light.

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aditya July 27, 2009 at 12:19 pm

why – because over time he has learnt that hatred pollutes my being more than it being of any consequnce to the ouject of hatread. it is counterproductive.

how — in the beginning s/he does periodic cleansing excercise, consigning all hatread, anger etc to flames of a sacread mental fire, an imgined fire. later when s/he can ‘see’ hatred does not arise, only pity and love.

love
aditya

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aditya July 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Hi Chaps !

if u see that my comment above is not in sync with the weekly quote, i alone am not to blame. earlier, to which i responded as above, there was a statement about a wol not letting hatred be a part of one’s being, in diffrent words of course. so… !

love
aditya

Liina.L July 27, 2009 at 11:58 am

I agree with this sentence with all my heart, but honestly to be said, it can be hard to do. If we have bad memories from our childhood, if we have tragedies happened to us, we tend to be scarred with those. And sometimes the wound, that these incidences have made to us, are too deep, and it might take a long time to heal them. On some cases they cannot be healed.

Sometimes we let people to see, that we don’t have any hatred, but deep down we do… I think it’s the worst case of decieving of yourself and others. I am not talking about this kind of healing. I am talking about true healing, in which we actually truly feel this way.

Each persons lives are different. Also we choose and feel differently about the circumstances in life, and the incidents in it. I have been in a situation in life, when I wanted to heal, but it did not happen. At that point I gave up life and I just excisted. At another point on my life I decided again, that it was time for a change, but this time I had more means to do differently. I had more opportunities. It was almost like life was telling me: at this point, it is Your own choice, if You want to change. We are giving You the means for it, and only thing You can do, is to step out of that door and look at a new world, or continue with the old. And let me tell You, I was ready for the new one.

I can say, that I chose this for myself, but it would not be 100% correct. It was almost like someone or something was feeding me with possibilities to change or to choose differently from now on. And on some occasions, people say that miracles happened, and that they had nothing to do with it. For me, it was a bit similar, but the miracles were the possibilities, where I COULD choose differently. And to be given those possibilities feels like a blessing. At that time, of course, I did not feel that way, because I was in battle with myself.

As a person who’s been taken advantage of, sexually, I was batteling the whole time to live again. As I said, I was only excisting before. For a decade I even forgot that it ever happened to me, and I lived years in depression. It was very hard to believe, that I’d ever “be normal”, so to say. Years passed and things slowly turned better, but I still felt the hatred against those people and I couldn’t believe, neither understand, why this happened to me. I could not just let go of the hatred.

From 2004 came the significant changes and I started to forgive myself, and slowly let go the depressing and mind-eating feelings of resentment and hate towards life. I can’t say, I have forgiven 100%… but there is a sense of peace in me, that accepts what has happened to me, but I am sure I will never forget about it. From time and time again sad feelings from past come back, and I start to doubt again, but then I think how far I’ve come and what possibilities I’ve taken, and I feel thankful to be alive and to be able to love life again, for the first time after so many years.

It is not easy, to let go hatred, as such, but it certainly is something to work on in yourself. If we start to face things and take life for what it is, with it’s twists and turns, and have even a little ray of light coming through, it is possible.

If we accept ourselves, life,
and also accept that there is possibilities to feel better.
:)

Love,
L.

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Liina.L July 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Heh, the sentence has been changed. But I guess my previous answer works for that one, also. The previous sentence was about keeping hatred away from our hearts.

Liza July 27, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Dear Liina,

I read your story that it gives me some kind of sadness because I could relate to it though I doubt that mine is worst than yours. What ever it is that you’ve gone through, you said that you have found love again. And that is such a good thing. I am so happy for you.

As for me. I am still looking for my soulmate. At the same time I could not get rid of my hatred still. I keep on fearing to embrace happiness cause I know that happiness can be taken away from me anytime. Nothing will last forever. And I am so afraid of having to go through the pain. I am a person scarred. It feels like no hope to find the happiness I once want in life but I have developed a new lifestyle.

I shall appreciate different things that has nothing to do with my past. I reinvented myself for who wants to appreciate a withered flower. It’s dead and will never come to bloom ever.

Liina.L July 27, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Liza,

I am very familiar with the feeling You just described, not being able to embrace happiness, good feelings. It’s almost like You feel You do not deserve it, right? Well… each person does. And so do You.

But You will. One day, You will see…

As for You saying that my story seems horryfying. I do not want to compare myself to anyone (saying my case is either worst of better), but as humans, we tend to do that. Although, I think it’s neccecary not to compare these kind of incidences. Every person and the things they are going through, matter, and are important. There are no less or nor more important issues. As once someone said: what does not kill You, makes You stronger. And that is true. I might not life as freely and pass life by as freely as some people do, in communication, but helping myself, letting go of the old sooths things. It doesn’t make me a clean sheet of paper… I will always have these memories, but I will not agree to pursue like I’ve used to.

Most of the people have their own tragedies and walls to break, things to overcome. So I wouldn’t say, that I am in a worst state or better state.

We all have different challenges to face, in life, that are unique just for us. Things to overcome, and possibilities to venture.

I hope that one day, You will see that possibility. Letting go of the past is a good thing, but with a future, You’d have to do something different… find something else. Live in today. That is the best way.

Love,
L.

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Ivy09 August 1, 2009 at 2:49 am

You ain’t got to afraid of losing it, cause i think it’s one of the biggest lesson in life – learn to handle defeat or loss. If you keep on living like this, you are going to lose the point of life.

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Ilva Asote July 27, 2009 at 2:34 pm

You are right, Aditya!
The previous quote was: “A warrior of light always keeps his heart free of any feelings of hatred.”
Hmm… I wonder why Paulo decided to change it…?

Love,
Ilva

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Liina.L July 28, 2009 at 2:37 pm

Share the story, Aditya.

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Liina.L July 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm

I was wondering the same thing.

L,
L.

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elaine July 28, 2009 at 9:15 am

I think Paulo means that if we remain neutral, we can see clearer. There were two psychologists named James and Lange who came up with the Transactional Analysis theory. TA has an ego gram that has five areas. The strongest area should be our adult or computer. When we utilize the adult/computer we, before acting, look at all situations like a computer by analyzing them without fear, hate, love, etc. before stepping into, or not into the action. I think this is what Paulo means.

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Marie-Christine July 28, 2009 at 10:58 am

Yes, Elaine, you get neutral everytime you make an observations

It is just a matter of shifting gears I guess.:)

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aditya July 28, 2009 at 11:58 am

Hi Ilva

thanks for keeping that quote alive, why paulo changed it ? it does not really matter but maybe because this quote was here in recent past also.

Liina

i read your comments and follow up comments by Liza also. can u create a litrtle distance betwenn your self, your being and your circumstances, sometimes it helps. If interested i can share a nice story about swami ram

love
aditya

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Insomniac Soul July 27, 2009 at 10:32 pm

Your latest forum is on Fear. I deduce from your comment, that you are not happy neither are u unhappy, so you are on the fence…some call it balance…i’m not sure if thats what it is…I think you may be afraid to be happy cos you may feel like everything else in this world, its fleeting…unsustainable..

So Paulo, have you ever thot that the reason why u so vehemently feel that the search for happiness is ultimately futile is because YOU, Paulo, are afraid to find it bcos u are afraid u may lose it? But this cant be so cos u thrive on adventure, which is in itself a huge risk just like the search for happiness?

You have said on more than one ocassion that happiness is boring, adventure exciting n so u prefer to search for the latter…is this ur highest truth? i think you find happiness in adventure otherwise, u wont pursue it…so u search for happiness indirectly thru adventure…is this correct?

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Santosh Kalwar July 27, 2009 at 11:34 pm

Paulo,

Maybe while you are not searching for happiness, you are not unhappy.

Happiness is not something which people often can get using “search-get” method.

Good to hear that you are not unhappy which might mean you are happy or you are not happy or you just think happiness is some void term.

God blesses you !

and

God bless you all !

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THELMA July 28, 2009 at 8:59 am

We are at the time of ….’boring Sunday afternoons’!!!!! ?????
{I am joking, dear Paulo Coelho. For the .. poets there is no such thing as … boredom!!]
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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aditya July 28, 2009 at 12:56 pm

that seems to be the key, when u don’t search for happiness, u may become happy.

are u happy paulo ?

remember that quote from Socrates (?) “Count no man happy till he is dead”

surely u are very much alive ( and god willing u will be a centerenian) would u say that u are happy, or would u say that u don’t see life anymore in terms of happiness and unhappiness.

love
aditya

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Heart July 28, 2009 at 4:39 pm

To see the icon of your smiling face, and of all the faces here makes me happy :)

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Carmencita July 28, 2009 at 2:24 am

Hapinees ae withing your self its not a place to go or something that you buy, just find it inside you

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candieb July 28, 2009 at 11:19 am

Exact Thelma!
No boredom from poets and no boredom for Pisces!:)

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Catherine July 28, 2009 at 11:44 am

I love your response!!

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aditya July 28, 2009 at 12:47 pm

happiness is illusive, if one tries to find happiness directly, one maynot be able to find.

u r right when u say that one may share one’s happy state of being with others, but as u have pointed out it should be done with emotional intelleigence, compassion.

wonder what paulo meant when he said this.

love
aditya

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Johanne Mercille July 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm

“Happy”, “Unhappy”, those are words, words that were invented by humans to define a state of the human kind. Feeling free inside, feeling Agape inside, feeling one with the Source, being free inside, being Agape, being one with the Source, well, for me that is … IT! Like God, I do not what anymore or wish anymore to define it by words, because words are limited. I am not looking for happiness here, because I know that happiness IS. If I do not feel happy, it is because there are interferences that I am the author of. Why should I look to obtain what is there in the present moment? Jesus said on the cross to the other: At that moment, you are in the kingdom. With affection, Jojo

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elaine July 28, 2009 at 5:18 pm

Yes, share the story, Aditya:-)

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aditya July 30, 2009 at 6:18 am

Hi freinds !

here is the story :

swami ram went to america and was a guest at some freinds place. One afternoon he went for a walk to a nereby park and came back after about an hour, smiling from year to ear. His host asked him what happned. swami ram said ” Oh ! it was great fun “.
host “the walk ?”
swami ram “not just the walk but the teasing too”
“what teasing”
“some boys got attracted by teh starnge dress of ram and started tauting him, and after sometimes they even made him so sit ups, and the whole time i was standing aside watching this having the fun with the boys” and swami ram was referring to himself, he always used to refer to himslef in third person, like “now ram is hungry, now ram want to be alone” etc. swami ram was able to create a distance between himself as an actor on this stage called life and his self.

this and a feeling of gratitude as Sevander has put it are great in keeping one happy. i feel.

love
aditya

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Liina.L July 30, 2009 at 11:05 am

Sometimes we think we see into people, but we really don’t. Not always do we get the connection with them. Assuming why, and if this is our own fault or the person’s “fault”, whom we are not getting in touch with, is unneccecary, at times.

And sometimes we tend to think worse of people for who they really are. It’s almost like having blindfolds on. Or maybe the person is just not showing that much of themselves, so it is hard to discuss, what the person is like.

Taking Yourself out of the situation is a good ability. It means we can be more objective, see others perspectives and maybe even laugh at ourselves, if we need to.
Gratitude is essential for seeing, that there is actually something to BE grateful at. It pulls down the egoistic side of a person and enables to see things more clearly.

Aditya, the story was good, thanks. It’s great to have these “outer body experiences”, which I think many people actually have in their daily life.

And yet, on a totally different topic, another thing I started to wonder:
So, it’s essential to be human in relationships, be tactful, be a catalysator… but another thing is – we say these things – but do we really act as we praise? A person can give great lectures, but if they do not act according to their words, is it not decieving Yourself and others? Some people say: “Do according to what I say, not according what I do.” I think the words and actions have to come together, be in alignment. That is also very important, in communication.

Have a great day, all.

Love,
L.L.

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Santosh Kalwar July 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Heart,

That is so sweet…also makes me smile, thanks… :)

God blesses you !

and

God bless you all !

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Heart July 28, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Hi Aditya, Jojo and Liina,

You are all so right. This line from Romans 12.15 also came to mind today; ‘Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep’. Empathy means to adjust our mood to the mood of the Other, if we want to be there for them. We need plenty of time to be there for ourselves too.

Love,
Heart

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Savita Vega July 28, 2009 at 10:35 pm

I like the way that Paulo explained it: it isn’t so much a matter of seeking happiness (I don’t think happiness is something one can seek and find, nor should they try), it is more a matter of NOT being unhappy or discontented. As long as you are not unhappy, you still have access to all of your powers – you are the architect of your destiny. But, the second that you become unhappy, you are indeed “stuck” in your situation.

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THELMA July 29, 2009 at 9:54 am

Beautiful dear Heart, Thank you. To be ONE with others..
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Hi heart

thanks for sharing the quote ! yes it must be about empathy, then only communication is possible. Thelma has said it in shorter still ( improving uopn zesus himself, not bad thelma !! not bad at all !! ).

Bonjor Jojo,

Yes it boils down to we being responsible first towards ourselves. The quote u quoted in the beginning sets one thinking if there is a conflict between this quote and the secreat from secreat ( the book ), which sort of says that u just project your wish with a lot of positive attitude ( don’t overdo it but ) and don’t worry about the how. If what u’r quote says is true then how can i hope for a miracle to happen, how can i beleive in miracles?

love
aditya

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:16 pm

maybe that is what he means ! yourself don’t become unhappy trying to make somene else happy. we should respect the other persons right to remain unhappy, afterall best we can do is be a pateint example, speaking, with empathy at times. we can force happiness upon others 1 can we force happiness upon ourselves ???

all comes town to ourselves again !!! he he he …. damn or ……, they won’t let u rest in peace till you do.

love
aditya

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 12:53 pm

alittle editing is a must 1 damn

please read it as ‘can we force happiness on others ?

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Liina.L July 29, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Well…
Dear Aditya.

I believe that respect and tactfulness is the foundation of EVERY relationship, wether the person is happy or unhappy. And for that, I never believe brutal force is something that we should use.

Although, sometimes, when You see, that a person needs a friendly push, and sometimes they even ask for it, why not help.

There are many ways to really find the right way, but the fact is, that every “case” is different and they are probably not 100% same… even if there are similarities, between situations, people, possibilities.

Of course, it is a persons right, to stay in the position they are in. But I don’t think that we have to wollow in sorrow with them. We can be respectful and understanding, listening to them. And sometimes if we feel or see vibrations coming from the person, that they do not want to be in that position, but they seem helpless – … what to do. Good question. I don’t know. But when we are in that situation, we’ll figure it out. If we look out for the best interest in each person (if it’s possible, including them and us and everyone else), we will figure it out.

May we have goodness in the heart
and less poison on our tongues.

Love,
L.

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aditya July 29, 2009 at 1:01 pm

looks like it boils down to tact and empathy ! hun.. ya !

love
aditya

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Sevander July 29, 2009 at 7:02 pm

Hello Aditya and Savita,
I heard in a yoga class of mine the other night that one cannot be unhappy if they are expressing gratitude. Just a thought, but maybe being thankful for each moment we have, despite the way things appear, may bring us to a place where happiness is always a possibility.

Love,
Sevander

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Savita Vega July 31, 2009 at 2:29 am

That is so very true, Sevander. I drive e very old and dilapidated pick-up truck, and every time I get in the thing and it starts, I thank God for this blessing. And if I forget, I usually remember when I arrive at my destination, and then I say, “Thank you, God, for getting me this far!” Each time I express this gratitude, it fills my heart with joy. I just think, “O, how blessed I am!”

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Carolena Sabah July 31, 2009 at 4:31 am

This is true. One doesn’t always need to be smiling or perky to be happy. One can also be suffering yet still be happy!

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Catherine July 29, 2009 at 7:27 pm

Hey Michael
- thanks for your words…

You know it recalls for me a day when my mother was in town and really unhappy – my grandfather had passed away;

and someone called to her “cheer up love, it might never happen!”

I wish people weren’t so ready to say that – it knocks them down more ;o)

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Carolena Sabah July 30, 2009 at 4:17 am

True TK.

When a person is unhappy, they are usually sad or upset at something or someone.

If you know the emotional tone scale, you’ll know that it is very hard to move someone up from the lower levels of the scale, be it apathy and such, then it is to move someone up from the higher levels.

The lower the energy, the heavier and darker the emotion, feeling, the harder to move up and out of it.
So it’s true that ‘Unhappy people hate to be reminded that happiness exists’ because they don’t care, they are so entangled in the lower energies that they don’t care about anything and surely not the least of Happiness in the world. For them, at that state, happiness does not exist, so in Their reality at that time, that is a lie!

May we all stay clear of the lower energies!

love
C.

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Ilva Asote July 30, 2009 at 10:08 pm

When my heart is full of love, I’m full of energy. And why do I have to save it?

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Carolena Sabah July 30, 2009 at 10:41 am

Very interesting topic! Of course this is all true!

Besides that Jesus turned water into wine at that wedding in Kana, is there any other significance to the analogy you made?

Conserving energy gives one a die hard determination, strength, power, flow, direction, awareness, being, in the light, enlightenment.

During meditation, this concept also exists, when placing the thumb and the index finger, palms facing up, it’s cycling the energy, like the wheel and the circle. :)

Great posts Thelma, Aditya and Sheela!
Love
C.

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aditya July 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm

yes thelma,

i too would wait with anticipation for the other responses, like most for me too this is a big thing, qand maybe the last conditioning imposed by society, but what is truth here is not so clear. marriage is a sacred instituion in all releigions, but infidility or polygamous relations are viewed so very diffrently, by them.

love
aditya

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 3:46 pm

Yes, I agree, Thelma – there are so many unanswered questions (or perhaps questions we just don’t ask) regarding the role of sex in religion:

What is this virginity thing all about? And why is it so important?

Why has celibacy been so highly touted, throughout the ages and in various religions, as a gateway to spiritual advancement?

What is the conflict or contradiction between being a “sexual being” and and a “spiritual being” – or, indeed, is there any conflict?

And what does monogamy have to do with it? In the West (Christianity/Judaism) as in the East (Hinduism/Buddhism) we read in the very scriptures of our spiritual forefathers as having multiple wives – so why now does the church now deem such relationships between consenting adults as “immoral,” and by extension the government deem them “illegal”?

So, so many questions we do not ask…or do not ask them loudly enough.

My grandmother was married when she was 13, a perfectly normal age to enter into matrimony in her culture, time and place. My grandfather loved my grandmother very much, and they had a wonderful marriage. And yet, if this were to occur today, less than a century later, my grandfather would be arrested and likely sent to prison.

Questions…questions…. May God grant us the intellect to formulate them, and the courage to ask them.

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aditya July 30, 2009 at 2:04 pm

Hi Carolena !

happy that u liked it.
saving energy does fill one with energy to go after it, and there are so many ways of conserveing energy, why single out sexual energy so much.

Chistianity and most orthodox relegions are quite clear in one direction, and as Sheela has so nicely said tantra too seems to be saying the same thing but from a very diffrent stand point, contraray it appears to the untrained eye. and i did read the tantra triology by robert, in fact i have had some exposure ( nothing direct, i used to know some people who used to practice tantra rituals, long lost contact ) to tantra even before. hence the uncertainity. for me the jury is still out, guess some more plodding is needed !

it is said about Krishna that he was a bal brahamachari though it is alo equally well known that he had many many wives, even more girlfreiends ( raas and stuff ), many children, but he was a bal brahamachari ! when both these information in contained in same text, one will have to strech one’s mind as Sheela seems to suggest, to ‘comprehend’. !!??

love
aditya

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aditya July 30, 2009 at 2:20 pm

this software is appearing funny now, click reply at one place and some other place it surfaces. maybe i need to check my comp

love’
aditya

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Carolena Sabah July 31, 2009 at 12:19 am

Interesting! Thank you Aditya!
love
C.

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Liina.L July 30, 2009 at 8:25 pm

I agree, Aditya, that we are all human, and we make mistakes, and that possibly we all have told lies, decieved ourselves and others in different ways.

But the action I meant, by not acting on our words was in the meaning of when a person actually KNOWS themselves, that they are doing this. And possibly it might of not been ‘the first time’. And sometimes people actually do it on purpose, or just can’t get break out of it. I meant a situation similar to that descibed now.

Love,
L.

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Liina.L July 30, 2009 at 8:29 pm

And actually, this I meant when these types of decievings are affecting other peoples lives, negatively. Is it justified then? If it does not affect others, but that person itself – well, I guess then it is the person’s own choice…

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rachael m July 31, 2009 at 4:05 am

absolutely. also the more i know, or learn, the more i want to know and learn and that creates a sort of kaos in my mind, confusing me and almost making it seem like you know nothing at all until you know it all. lord have mercy, there was no way i could have said that to make any sense! but yes, that is the truth.

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Marlene July 31, 2009 at 10:11 am

¸yes, these are two different things. The more I understand the cause of everything, I feel that I can put it somewhere in my mind and act towards it in the ‘best’ way that I could-should. A particular situation in a moment in time and space.
And in the other case-if we learn about life, more and more we enclose in this knowledge everything what life is- an unpredictable, unexplorable sea with endless faces-and then we are confused and have no knowledge of anything in the end. A global knowledge in eternity…

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aditya July 31, 2009 at 10:50 am

OK, Thanks Savita,

Sheela,

i wanted to know the expereince of peeople who have willfully gone into periods ( say 3-6 months ) of either abstincece or overindulgence, what do they say ? what do they feel about their expereiment, what conclusions they have drawn, how has it affected their day to day behaviour.

The other day i chnaced upon an interview of a hollywood actress, 50+, who has very youthful looks. when asked about teh secreat of the youthful looks, she said ‘sex 4-5 times a day with her husband’.

love
aditya

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Catherine July 31, 2009 at 12:10 pm

Can I ask – do you forsee these different indviduals ever coming together in the long term? Is is ok, or maybe to to try and unite them as one is necessary?
I don’t know – I wondered what your thoughts might be .
;o)

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Savita Vega July 31, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Those are very interesting questions, Catherine. But I would have to say, no, I think I was someone else then, I am a different person now. I don’t have any desire to unite them, just as I see no need to go back into a past life and conjure up the person that I was then. That was then, this is now. They may build upon one another, progressively, like layers, but they are not the same person. There is a distinct break between them, just as there would be in the case of death. I’m not interested in the girl that was me when I was twenty-five, for example. She had her life then, I have mine now. We’re related, obviously, but I have very little in common with her, nor does she interest me. The past is the past, just like a past life. It happened, it’s over. Now is what matters – the present moment and who I am in it.

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Savita Vega July 31, 2009 at 3:44 pm

…Well, maybe in a book. For the sake of literature. That would be the only motive I could think of for attempting to “unite” them.

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 6:14 am

Hi Savita & catherine,

howver delicate and diffrent that exusite piece of furniture may look, it is still the same old tress trunk, which was hauled along the ground. is it anything common between the beautiful furniture and teh raw tree trunk. same way at diffrent points in our lives we adopt diffrent paths, be diffrent persons, but deep down we remain teh same, that sameness is what binds all of us togather, i feel.

love
aditya

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Johanne Mercille July 31, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Salut Adyta. Here I go! I took time, and it demands me to bring myself with my intimacy. When I decided to take time for myself, asking my husband to separate, I was well at the same state that I was with my ex-husband of 17 years. Sex, in the those cases, went from passion, only wanting to be loved physically, etc, to “nada”, worse to honour a responsibility, which was to satisfy my husband and me “nada”. I reflected on that being alone. I was feeling free of what my mind perceived as something that had to be done, to be lived because I was with a man. Me, what I needed in the relation was someone I could count on, that I could talk to, that could support me with tenderness in my own realization. I could not also put together pleasure and sex, realization of myself and sex. I was abstinent for almost 8 months, and must tell you feeling free and going to develop and learn about more spiritual aspect of my life and Life. But then I found myself surprised to feel some nights that I wished to have him next to me, just to touch, to feel, but not having sex, because that dimension I could not mix with what I see and sense for myself. I was judging the other for his desire, and so judging myself for that desire. A man came on my path with his desire for me. If it had happened sometime before I would have been drawn there, but I was able to ear his desire and not fall in the pattern of “this man has a need and I will fulfill it”, and I then understood that child inside me that when his father had needs, was unhappy, I would always forget about myself and go there to bring in his life happiness. I did not leave my life and go my path as a child and adolescent, and that love became hard, energy taking, suffocating, and … hate. I realized at that moment that I could respect myself in an intimate relationship and give love (sex) and receive love (sex) when my heart was there. And for me now sex is sacred too. I used to judge that because I was instructed to give to my husband, be a mother, be a good wife, etc … For me that moment is a moment where I want to be close, give nourishment to my body that needs it, give to the other in a physical way that I care for him. As for what it had as an impact for me being without sex that time, it made me appreciate this link, view is sacred, view it as a pleasure of being part of this Earth, as honouring that gift of God, as a +, but not to abuse like I did in the past, and not to ignore, as I did also. I feel good as of today, because as of today my husband is due to come back in September and we do not have sex at the moment and that is okay. It does not tourment me anymore. But I will tell you that each night that I go in my spa, looking at the sky and the stars, I recognize that I need someone near me, not all the time, but at some time, that I need for me to share with my mind, my body and my soul a moment. Personally, I will come back to my relation with my husband to “work” on being able to balance all, to harmonize all, pleasure, spiritual, work, sex, friendship. But as you know, the other is different, has its own path, its own awakenings. If balance is not there for me, and too much energy is again needed to be understood, respected in what is important for me, etc, then I will kiss him and say thank you but I have to pursue alone … until God puts on my path the soul that I need to accomplish what I came for in terms of learning Love in all its aspects. With affection, Jojo.

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 6:10 am

Hi Jojo,

thanks for sharing your expereince, i hope God puts that person in your path soon, which will make u feel complete.

have are the rains now ?

love
aditya

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 3:28 pm

Dear Sheela,
I haven’t read “Eleven Minutes” yet, but glad you suggested it. I’m looking forward to it.

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candieb July 31, 2009 at 8:09 pm

OMG!That’s so it!You’re so right Nathalie!That’s what I try to say!Thank you,you are sunshine!!!:)

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Yannis August 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm

First of all, Natalie, you write magnificently. I don’t know what your profession is, but writing books could be an idea. I honestly believe that.

Concerning your reply, I personally find great resemblance to rain=unhappiness, sun=happiness. And both of these conditions are absolutely present and happen to us all the time. So, we should let them be…

However, I disagree to what you said about the traits of the sexes. I mainly disagree, because I don’t like to have labels on anything that surrounds us, whatever it might be. I am sorry I don’t have actual arguments to support my view, but somehow it doesn’t feel right or fair to me.

Of course, the sexes are different by nature and that leads to certain behavioral variations. But I also think that we have inside us, in some degree, a part that belongs to the other sex.

What I would say about males is that they tend to be more energetic and active and perhaps more show off. While the females, are the quiet force and let their feelings guide them many more times than men do (or are taught to do). Females may seem weak, but under certain circumstances they are unconfrontable.

A few days ago, I was feeding some ducks. Some adult ducks were more daring so they were eating straight from my hand. Suddenly, some small ducks approached me and did the same thing. Their mother was very close, but didn’t interfere. When its little ducks had a morsel from me, she defended them successfully against ALL other ducks, inluding the strong males.

The oppositions of the sexes could lead to fierce quarrels, but it also helps us to fulfill the part we don’t have and that is a bless!

Thank you for your comment…it was really nice reading it.

I wish you the best whatever you do!

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candieb July 31, 2009 at 8:12 pm

Yes Yannis!second,thrird,fourth,thousands chances!!!
Sorry I haven’t read your message before :)

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 6:03 am

HI Supia,

thanks for your sharing, yes i too came across ‘isbtances’ when people used to feel like reciving a mild electrical shock when they touched him physically and things like that. But knowing osho, one won’t be surprised if he willingly cooperated with the plans of his ‘inner circles’ in arranging for those shocks. the fella was all out to ‘catch eye balls’ spekaing in mdeia langauge, because he wanted to reach out to maximun number of people. In today’s world, why only today even during Zesus times, people were more impressed with one small act of ‘miracle’ than tons of sermon. even now unless u claim some miraculous powers, people don’t accept.

osho was a stange pehonomenon ! those unbiased custodians of hindu heritage who prefer to remain annonymous, so that they can live in peace, say that osho had the potential and he even recahed some ‘levels’ but then he spiralled down. That is for osho, the person to answer for, to whatever. For me his words have a value because he was spekaing the same old truth in a modern langauge where proof and examples become more important that teh concepts.

love
aditya

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 6:06 am

Hi laxami,

thanks for sharing the story, so more than what one id doing it’s where one’s ‘dhyana’ attention is which matters ?

about illegal retaionships, this concept of monogamy is very recent in india maybe last 70-80 years. Is it mentioed in dharma of marriage that one will be faithful to one person only, i guess for women it maybe so, but is it same for women too, if yes then how come many people used to have more than one wife not very long ago.

agree that if u are doing something and u know it’s wrong then probably, u are going in teh direction of guilt which surely is a hinderance to growth.

love
aditya

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THELMA August 1, 2009 at 9:36 am

Thank you Aditya and all, for your wise comments.. In the society and time I have grown up, we used to believe in virginity before marriage.. Even a kiss was meant only for the …one we were going to marry.. The boys were allowed to do whatever they wanted.. So they used to go and … pay for it, or if they happened to meet a girl willing to give them ‘pleasure’, at the end they did not respect her and finally would marry … somebody else with a .. bigger… dowry!!! Of course, this was absurd for my way of thinking .. Being from a ‘strict’ family I was feeling guilty even whenever I liked someone or .. flirting.. So, I think, we were ‘taught’ that sex was something forbidden and dirty. So we have learnt to ‘hide’, ‘suppress’ or transform our feelings to … romantic, beautiful dreams, which of course, were far from … reality.
For a human being who is sensitive, passionate and… healthy, I think, it is important to learn and be able to feel free to express himself in the way he feels. Feelings of guilt, about something that is an expression of Nature itself, have turned us to ‘lonely, miserable human beings’ depriving ourselves and our beloved from ‘giving and receiving’ freely. We have made it so complicated and a source of .. frustration, because whenever we feel tenderness and love and attraction, we feel the need to have an ..outlet. ;-] To keep all these emotions and sentiments ‘locked’ or ‘covered’ is, I think, the biggest source of bitterness and loneliness. If we love and are loved we feel the need to express it in every aspect of our existence and in order to feel ‘complete, one and fulfilled’.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm

yes Jojo !

for the universe miracle was when paulo took that choice, but from paulo’s point of view, when was the miracle. finding the sword must have a special moment for him, only he can throw some light aboit when was the miracle here ?

thanks for taking the trouble of writing in this detail. what u have said or rather so nicely explained, the quote, is ceratinly valid for those who take to intoxicants to accept teh things which they cannot change. But there is another level, of say a moses, suppose u are that moses would u gather teh courage to say to the ocen with so much conviction. on god’s authority in your voice ‘give us way’. when u are sane then you don’t need to accept anything you find unacceptable, whether u are able to change it or not. The quote is very valid for alcoholics, not so much for others !

and to tell u a truth – god has had a old relationship with wine, i have found people who allow themslevs to get intoxicated at times are more passionate, less of a nuisance than those who maintain a tight artificial control overthemslevs.

love
aditya

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aditya August 1, 2009 at 12:54 pm

“May we all stay clear of the lower energies!”

Hi C,

I came in saying hi to you and go away on a week long break saying buy to you, and all friends here.
Your statement above brings forth these words

one should stay away till one can not handle, avoidance may be necessary but one must remember always that at some point one will need to feel strong enough to handle both the positive and the negative energy. that completeness which encompasses both good and bad and goes beyond both is god ! which is you too, they say !

love
aditya

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Johanne Mercille August 1, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Dear Adyta, I feel complete even without a man in my life, since all my needs of love can be satisfied with many people on my path. I am prepared to enter again in relation with my husband, because I learned a lot of why I was unable to see many things and live many things, since they were emerging from within myself and not the other. I am searching on my path first of all to become one with my soul, since my desire is to know better who I truly am, to develop my relation to the Source, to accomplish what I came to do for his Divine Plan. My needs with a man are and will remain the same, friendship, collaboration, listening, tenderness, evolution for my mind, my soul and by the way also my body, and the same for the other. For me my body is just a means of transportation that I need, a personality that I need to accomplish what I have to accomplish. I am writing my story, I am living my life, which is not my husband’s, my friend’s, even if the goal is the same, to be one with the Whole, to return to where I belong, be it conscious or not conscious for the other. I am looking in a relation to feel harmony, peace, love within myself, the other and the world. “You are given little tasks to start with. If you are responsible, I will give you greater ones”. With affection, Jojo.

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Never heard the word “isbtances” but I am familiar with the phenomenon of enlightened gurus extending these little “jolts of energy,” referred to as “shaktipat,” resulting in various “graces.” See wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktipat

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Ilva-Asote August 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Dear Aditya,

If I understand your question clearly, here is some information about the Latvian ethnic minority in other countries:

Independence from the Soviet Union (1991) gave Latvians living in other parts of it the opportunity to come home – to Latvia. The number of Latvians residing in the FSU (former Soviet Union) fell by about half, from 72,000 to 36,000, during the 1990s.

However, repatriation of ethnic Latvians from outside the FSU has been rather small, amounting to only 300 to 400 persons a year, though the Latvian government is now making more effort to reach out to its diaspora population. In some cases, their influence has been significant. Even ex- president of Latvia, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, is the daughter of World War II refugees. She spent most of her career in Canada before returning in 1998.

Outside the FSU, three states — Germany, Israel, and the United States — were the top destinations of Latvian emigrants through the 1990s. Between 1990 and 2003, 6,400 people from Latvia migrated to Germany, 4,700 to Israel, and 4,200 to the United States. Some migrated because they were Jewish or ethnically German; others joined family or went for economic reasons.

According to the Office of Citizenship and Migration Affairs, there are more than 250,000 Latvians living abroad, but accurate estimates are hard to calculate.

In May 2004, Latvia became one of the European Union’s (EU) 10 new Member States. Approximately 50,000 people, mostly from the poorer, eastern parts of the country, have already chosen to live and work in Ireland, the UK, and Sweden. Unfortunately, this number has a tendency to grow up…

What’s about me, I went for my studies abroad (to Belgium), but (I don’t know if I am Sprīdītis) I decided to come back to my native country before some years. :)

Love,
Ilva

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Ilva-Asote August 1, 2009 at 4:46 pm

Dear Rachael and Marlene,
…And, of course, you both are right! :)
What’s about me, I just played with the words!
Love,
Ilva-Asote

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Paulo Coelho August 1, 2009 at 5:34 pm

When I visited Latvia, my publisher told me that his father was forced, in the middle of the night, to leave everything behind and go to one of Stalin’s labor camps.
I am glad that this nightmare is over.
love
Paulo
P.S. – I met President Vaira several times. A wonderful person.

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Thank you for sharing this with us, Ilva. I feel like I have learned a lot from your post. I like to hear histories told from the mouths of real people, as opposed to reading them in history books or the media, because then I know I am getting a taste of someone’s real experiences and opinions, rather than just some fabricated history intended to impose the order of this or that government.

Sincerely,
Savita

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Ilva Asote August 2, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Welcome to Latvia! :)

Dear Savita,

Paulo is right. Former Latvian President Vaira is a wonderful person! Away from her country of birth for many years, she remained Latvian at heart. Of course, there were peopole against the election of a Latvian-Canadian as president (moreover, those people couldn’t imagine new president speaking Latvian, English, French, German, Spanish etc. BUT not speaking Russian!)

For thousand times I asked myself “what makes her so strong?”
And I got answer: Latvian folksongs (‘dainas’ in Latvian) – as she wrote many books and papers on Latvian folk songs, language and culture(not just on psychology).

“To the Latvian the dainas are more than a literary tradition. They are the very embodiment of his cultural heritage, left by forefathers whom history had denied other, more tangible forms of expression. These songs thus form the very core of the Latvian identity and singing becomes one of the identifying qualities of a Latvian.” /Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga, Journal of Baltic Studies/

Some examples of Latvian folk songs (translated in English):

Whoever said it, lied,
That the Sun sleeps at night;
Does the Sun rise
Where it set yesterday?

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As I was going to war
I cut a cross in the oak,
So that father and mother shouldn’t weep,
So that the crossed oak should weep.

Love,
Ilva

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 3:56 pm

I like your way of thinking, Aditya. It so goes against all that I was taught – that rebirth is a dreadful curse, and one to be avoided at all costs, even if the cost is failing to live our lives fully, because we have to be so intent upon getting out of here, negating the existence of the world completely so as to attain a state where we never have to return.

I think we are given life for a reason and a purpose and that purpose is not solely to “escape” (i.e. attain enlightenment) and thereby never return. I think we are each here to accomplish something other than just that. We each have our unique mission to fulfill, and what could be more fun than that?! We are also here to love, and when you love, life (rebirth) doesn’t seem like such a dreadful curse, from which you need to escape.

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Johanne Mercille August 2, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Thanks, I take note. Yesterday, first day of sunshine, but can you believe that at the same time rain came. Crazy! And today, welcome back rain! You should see the faces here! Jojo

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Savita Vega August 2, 2009 at 10:29 pm

I miss the rain so…(love rainy days). Very dry and hot here. Isn’t it funny – whatever we have, we always long for the opposite. Sending you sunshine….

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THELMA August 3, 2009 at 7:29 am

Thank you Savita for your reply. Questions, questions .. and sex is still a taboo for almost every society.. And the ‘forbidden’ has created so many … unhealthy situations.. In my opinions the secrecy on that topic has introduced ‘fear’ in our souls.. Maybe the Church ‘knows’ the Power of it and wanted to … deprive people from ‘using’ it!! So they have created the word SIN. Maybe it is the … Zero Point of the Emerald Tablets!! ??? It is the Kundalini FIRE. The energy that has to be ‘mastered’ by our mind. I think, Paulo Coelho, with his knowledge on the Tradition of the Sun and the Moon, must give us some answers and .. set us FREE.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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THELMA August 3, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Thank you dear Paul from Austria for sharing this wonderful music.. The language of the Angels.
Hopefully you were there enjoying the concert, Shónbrunn and the beautiful ..starry sky.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx

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Carolena Sabah August 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Hi Paul,
thanks for the links, he’s funny. You’ve posted that before no?
How are you? been a while since I saw you around. Hope all is well!
love
C.

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marie-christine August 4, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Hi Paul,
Ave Maria –
According to some studies undertaken, singing Ave Maria has enormous benefit. It is compared to the Budhist mantra”Om “..
It raises your vibrations.
I remember there was a topic discussed here on collective prayers, We all sing in harmony.
Teaching us how to breathe properly is essential for the control of our emotions.
Thanks for that Paul, Ave Maria is on my daily list, singing away right now…..:)
Love
Marie-Christine

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