And each man kills the thing he loves,
By all let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword.
( quoting Oscar Wilde in The Valkyries)
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Thank you for your sharing,
Savita Vega, Marie-Cristine, Aditya and Thelma!
I came back home from summer vacation.
Do you remember a question in the former Quote of the week?
I read your replies about Osho’s opinion.
I think I can give the answer relationship between sexual being and spiritual being because it is an personal experience.
I can simply say ; relationship between sexual being and spiritual being is NOT IMPORTANT.
Light in human’s inner world exists actually, but I have no idea about Osho’s fire. I just guess the word “fire”is connected with meditation.
In reflection of my personal experience,
abstinence absolutely isn’t connected with Light Energy.
Dear Supia
u say “abstinence absolutely isn’t connected with Light Energy”
is this your wish or your expereince ??? if expereince would u mind sharing details ?
love
aditya
thank you Supia for your comment.
Love
:)
Marie-Christine
Dear Aditya,
I say in my experience.
Beyond visible world, behind mirrior of human’s consciousness, there is a world hidden behind a veil which seems like a real world.
I could see a marvelous sight with light. My body’s eyes didn’t watch anything in actual, but I saw so many images with delight and ecstasy. Can you imagine it?
While image show was flowing in inner world, I realized “World is a huge code mass waiting for being interpreted in owning words.”
Light exists.
Light itself was energy status of love, joy, fullness.
Yes! I can be sure of it because mysterious things like a magic happened to me with so many images and voice last year.
I was not a monk but a healthy woman with two children till then.
Now I know “World is a huge one based on love.”
Love
Supia
I just finished the Valkyries yesterday, and I’ve been meditating on this since it was posted. I come up with all sorts of meanings… most of which involve self abuse, but I fear I’m blocking. Mr. Wilde was often ironic. When he wasn’t, he was sarcastic, so I’ve been looking at this from that perspective as well.
I see it as a warning. I grew up in a family which was abusive behind closed doors. We put on a pleasant face to the world and hurt each other when we were alone. I’ve tried to relearn my behaviors ever since I moved out. Anyway, this quote reminded me to be vigilant in my behaviors while I heal, regardless of the intent of its original intent.
This quote “And each man kills the thing he loves…” is quite popular, isn’t it? And if you say that O.Wilde was often ironic, we could remember one of his quotes where he says “Everything popular is wrong”.
:)
Am actually still puzzled why Each Man would kill the thing he loves?
Am not getting it AT ALL!
OK. NEXT WEEK THE FORUM WILL BE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS?
Love
Paulo
Sacred Sexuality?
Life philosophies?
or…. Religion? that ll give a nice blog-fight :)
or……miracles?
or…… love stories!
Love
Mariëlle
Querido Mestre,
BOM DIA!!!
Minha proposição é que discutemos sobre os sonhos… particularmente eu acho interessante que cada um possa contar suas experiências no corpo etérico, e que possamos aprender juntos por este assunto tão oculto…
Meu amor, meu respeito e minha gratidão,
Ca
Thank you for asking us to suggest topics Sir!
I have a suggestion, on Truth and Lies, when is it if at all, appropriate or ok to Lie. Or how have these terms been defined for us over the years and is there another angle we should look at them from.
Love
C.
1) Beauty;
2) Truth and Lies;
3) Miracles.
Oh i think another deep and heavy conversation – such as on homosexuality would be just too much, no?!!!
Something lighter….
like the idea of miracles.
or something based on anything Gibran writes poems on!! ;o)
Thankyou for asking though!
The true enemy that we need to detect, get to know and fight
Angels and Demons …
Fraternities, Traditions still alive and “working”, purpose, goals
The purpose in the Divine Plan of the human experience
The Goddess – the feminine Face of God.
I would love to learn more about RAM and Melchizedek Paulo. Because since first reading The Alchemist, I trusted instantly, and feel drawn to him. feel drawn to Melchizedek. Any one else? Thank You for asking Paulo, Love To All, Jane : )
„And each man kills the thing he loves…”
Whether it is Medea killing her children because it’s the best way to hurt Jason („Medea” by Euripides) or Oedipus hopping into bed with his Mother, murder mysteries must have deaths, otherwise they would not be murder mysteries…
And even if we do not exclude the fact that Oscar Wild were inspired by the Greek pederastic tradition, there are more wonderful examples in Greek mythology of „man that kills the thing he/she loves” we could talk about.
Love,
Ilva
Образ твой,мучительный и зыбкий,Я ж не мог в тумане осязать.”Господи!”-сказал я по ошибке,Сам того не думая сказать.Божье имя,как большая птица,Вылетело из моей груди.Впереди густой туман клубится,И пустая клетка позади.(Осип Мандельштам)
I was amazed by your books, I always hated reading but you changed that for me. I want to ask for advice from Paulo Coelho;
what do you when you are sad about life but its not that bad? How do you go through days, what do you think? I just want to be very educated when I grow up and I’m very scared about my future.
I have just read a very disturbing article about facts and figures of violent crime undertaken on women over the world, and have pasted a link below.
It is horrifying, ONE in THREE women are subjected to violence around the world by a perputrator that is usually KNOWN to her.
In 1994 a world study was undertaken, and it was concluded that between the ages of 15 to 44, if you are a woman, you are more likely to be subjected to a rape or domestic violence, than cancer, a car accident, malaria, or war.
Further details here: http://www.unifem.org/campaigns/vaw/
This has to stop. Don’t anyone tell me this is an age of equality between men and women … (which even some of my FEMALE friends have tried to tell me, and that it is the womans fault!)
Maybe a man doesn’t kill\hurt the thing he loves, maybe he does it just because he can.
Thankyou for raising this issue in this week’s quote…
the control over women, through instigating fear.. fear of rape..
it is a wicked and deplorable, denigrating and evil thing for man to allow..
the killing of their sister’s spirit…
and for what!
superiority?!?
what superiority.
the world would be a more advanced place in my opinion if women were not held back by such a fear as this.
it agrieves me!
and the whole irony of the matter – not perhaps the right word here to use..
but it is that they ARE killing something they love..
through arrogance, greed, whatever reason.
—–
your news reminds me of all the sex slaves used in war… or how villages are plundered and the women raped.
of the revelation of just how many women were used in the wars by armies.. i cant remember which exactly.
What is so damn wrong with this world!?!??!?!
;o)
you are right Hildegarde..
women actually allow it…
another superiority game!
Paul u r right to the extend that violence which ‘erupts’ as a stress release is not right, violence is not right if it is happening despite myself. if i am doing it in anger, succumbing to stresses as hildegrade tried to say. But there is a time for violence too, like what zesus did with those moneychangers ( are they still around ), a calculated show of fury and violence.
But yes one should not use violence, to the extend possible, if at all, only in self defense.
love
aditya
I love Oscar Wilde – thanks for the quote – I saw a few lines of the Ballad of Reading Gaol there too… excellent. He truly was an insightful man. For those of you with children, he wrote some fabulous childrens tales too.
A good evening to all! :)
I see your face in different places
From yout face I imagine beautiful days
My may-day is sent yo you
you may receive it one day
And on this day we shall pray in one beautiful place.
So true, so timeless. Good quote on Oscar Wilde’s.
Gracias Pablo por compartir con tus seguidores tus pensamientos, ideas y sugerencias. He leido varios de tus libros pero quede cautivada con El Alquimista, lo lei en un momento duro de mi vida en solo cinco dias, y siempre tengo ganas de volver a leerlo!
Paz y amor a todos!
Vani
Yesterday, I read in the news about a man in Philadelphia , USA who went on a shooting rampage and killed 3 women in a fitness club.
He has been planning for months..his reason he could not connect with women…did not have a women in his life the last 18+ years.
He Killed the thing that he did not love or rather wanted to love but couldn’t.
Made me think ..do we ‘kill’ (the figurative Oscar Wilde type of kill) people we ‘love’ because we are not capable of loving fully/the right way/wholly ??
we kill another
because we fear.
fear something in
ourselves.
that we mistake
as mirrored in another.
and so we strike
to kill, to conquer
our fears.
this is how i was struck down so many, many times.
what we need is greater trust
to love thy neighbour
x
Dear Catherine
PROJECTION….
… the magic mirror that if we turned to ourselves would show the truth…
The demons within, perceived without, and vengeance is sought but never satiated
It takes courage (and wise counsel in my case), to conquer those hidden enemies, that have come through abuse, pain, hurt
Lots of love
Pandora
Beautiful. XXX
Thank you Hildegard!
No.10 sounds Great!! :D
These sufis !
Thnaks for sharing !Hildegarde
7. There is One Moral, the love which springs forth from self-denial and blooms in deeds of beneficence ???????
explaination ?
love
aditya
I also kill myself in a way, when in the midst of change sometimes. But, it is always a positive thing. Letting go of something that is no longer needed or useful.
Much Love to All, Jane : ) xo
: ) Thank you Hildegarde
Love, Jane : ) xo
Thank you dearer Hildegarde, this is beautiful and ..true!
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
For some reason, this quote reminds me of the sword of the spirit – which I’ve been reading about at the church of St Paulo (outside the walls) in Rome…
I probably should make a podcast on homosexuality…
That would be great!
not a bad idea at all ! paulo.
many a people of younger generation are quite confused about all this !
love
aditya
That would be very interesting Paulo!
Thank you Paulo, hope you are having a great Summer!
Love you,
C.
well, what to say? I know Oscar Wilde was even imprisoned for his love. Ok, maybe is better we discuss, some of our prejudices might get erased.
Love
Alexandra
Yes!A great idea!!:)
LOVE
Gosh. This discomfort is very new to me. Here in Australia our “Madi Gras” is very different. We have whole towns here devoted to this kind of love! And all the best hairdressers and interior decorators… well! What can I say? :-)
Yes, Carolena – I love Allen Ginsberg, particularly his poem “America.” On itunes it is possible to download a recording of Ginsberg reciting this great poem. My daughter loves listening to it, because of the title – her name: “America.”
Think I’ll post it under the poetry forum….
Thanks for reminding me of it.
Love,
Savita
Ok,I get it!Moderate!I shouldn’t have bothered answering that anyway!It’s not worth the fight!Erase it after reading ;)
dear Candieb, I suggest you to reply to the message in question, as I don’t know to whom you are talking to. In any case, moderation here does not mean censorship.
Love
Paulo
I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE.
I believe that there shouldn’t be ANY LABELS ON THE EXISTENCES WHATSOEVER.
No one is smarter than someone else, or better, or more handsome/beautiful, stronger etc.
SUCH KIND OF ATTRIBUTES ARE TOTALLY WRONG! EACH ONE IS UNIQUE!
I don’t agree with this quote, and prefer Santosh’s first line, “We create the thing we love.”
I’d have to concur as well Sandra!! :)
love
C.
There are some acts we don’t understand at all.Yeah men are really from Mars and women from Venus,whatever!
“In the being we call man also lives a woman. And in the woman, a man exists. That a man dreams to bear a child is nothing strange, except that this wish is stubbornly denied.”
Godrek “Le livre de ca”
I love this quote Marie-Christine! Thank you for sharing.
Love, Jane : ) xo
Hello Marie,
I really like that quote. Who wrote it? It’s just horrible, I mean, it’s a strong quote.
Thank you Marie Christine…. very true. X
Hello Marie,
It is the first time I hear this poem..
But the idea is familiar to me.
In Jungian school of analytical psychology, each man have a feminine side Jung called the anima and each woman have a masculine one he termed as the animus!
To be psychologically complete (stable) according to this school each man have to try to integrate his feminine side (anima) and each woman have to try to integrate her animus as part of their psychological structure..
“Better to be complete than to be perfect”
Greetings from Vienna,
Tarek
Does someone have a dictionary of man-women languages…
ha ha ha
yes
God
There is a book about love languages, helps to understand what language your heart hears most clearly…
The dictionary called ‘LOVE & INTUITION’.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
i have to say that growing up, this was one reality that i was always struggling to accept and very conscious of not repeating in my own life.
it is the saddest thing, when we kill that which we love…
and yet perhaps one of the commonest mistakes people can take.
i wish for it to change
for people’s hearts to change also.
Oguno uccide la cosa che ama per ricominciare dall’inizio.
l’inizio è la cosa fondamentale
l’inizio ti fa andare avanti, quando non puoi andare indietro
l’inizio è una parola che tutti ascoltano
l’inizio è un motivo di compiacimento
l’inizio è una manifestazione di affetto stima venerazione
l’inizio non si tira indietro di fronte a situazioni difficili,si affroonta con coraggio e con valore
Ma va
Didn’t know much about Oscar wild other than his name and a few poems !!
knowing about his life came as a surprise, anyway, these poets and writers and singers and painters , andd….. have eccenticities i am told.
being a gay ( or lesbian for that matter ) seems very ‘unnatural’ to me, i mean i get an impression as if someting has gone wrong with the wiring here, of the brain, i am sort of prejudiced , maybe, whatever. would love to engage in a public ‘discussion’ sort of an old time concept of ‘saashtrath’ here in india, with someone who is boldly gay / lesbian.
BUT THESE WORDS OF WILD indicate towards something else, something seems to fit, these great artists have their moments of communion in which they chance upon ‘truths’, then they fall back, and some even….
I wanted to share a story about Ramkrishna, whom PAULO has mentioned on some occassions. It’s about killing a loved one ! One need not look at it with our preconceived notions about what is killing..
enough prologoue !! now the story -
it is said ramksrishna was a siddha due to his sintense ( i just coined this word, let me copy right it before … sincere and intense) practice over the years, he have had several guru, but no one was able to take him beyond duality to the nonduality ‘adwaita’. even ramkrishna felt the separation, the pain. His current guru by the funny name ‘totapuri’ (literally menaing one from land of parrots) had given ramkrishna one last excecise and said if ramkrishna was to complete that excercise within 7 days, tptapuri leaves, even otehrwise he leaves, that was teh threat, last 7 days do it and go beyond so that totapuri is not needed any more or fail and languish because totapuri has better things to do. ramkrishna had tried, tried and failed, last six days he was on fast, he could not complete the excesie, and he had been weeping like a child, no food, very little water, six days, failure . what was the exercise
“Kill mother goddess, slay her, as u see her” now it was well known that ramkrishna was a universe no. ! devottee of Goddess Kali ( more about her later ), he was quite pally with her really, spekaing to her, chatting up his life, this that…. i mean it was as if zesus was your personal freind ! Now the excerise was to kill kali ! just imagine, something which is manifest only through love, which is love and to kill her. ramkrishna failed and failed and failed, last evening totapuri is leaving after this last try. Ramkrishna’s eys are closed, a blissful contance look, on eyes with dried tears ( many westerners still bebelive ramkrishna was a pschycic ), tota puri asks ” ram can u see mother kali” ” yes master”
“kill her”
” i cann’t”
“no u must, u will have to, guru’s orders must be obeyed”
“how can i kill her”
“with that sword”
“which sword, from where do i get teh sword”
“from the same source from where u get Maa Kali”
“yes i see it”
“pick it up”
ramkrishna raises his hand as if holding sword
” now behead her, now ”
“no, i cann’t” again tears !1
“u must, now or never”
“i cann’t”
“just do it, like this” and he slashes ramkrishna’s forhead with a piece of torn glass.
with that ramkrishna drops his hand in a sword moving gesteure,a nd goes into smadhi, lasting another 7 days. the last barrier had falled now it was maa everehere, maa alone was .
so folks, killing can also be viewed as freeing the person and thus oneslef, love binds us but to undderstand what is love, one will have to go beyond love too.
love
aditya
Dear Aditya,
First, let me say that I think it is admirable that you have recognized and are prepared to confront your prejudice. I do wish you all good furtune with this.
As for Ramkrishna and Goddess Kali (Ramkrisha, incidentally, is my “great-great grandfather;” I won’t go into details of lineage, but anyway, the connection is there) I have heard many stories of Ramkrishna, but never this one. Thank you for sharing it with us. I take this story to be about the need for the aspirant to eventually overcome the attachment to their Ishta Devata (chosen deity) and thereby see that Brahma (God) is in all, equally.
My own guru explained it a bit like this. When one sets out on the road of spiritual aspiration it is not only advisable but essential that one attach one’s mind to a single deity, focusing one’s adoration, and giving oneself over wholly to that singular form. If one is Hindu, this singular form is the Ishta Devata (the particular deity one chooses to worship and devote oneself to). If one is not Hindu, this can be interpreted as meaning that one may start out as a Christian, worshipping the Christian God, or Jesus, as an aspect of that God; if one is Muslim, then the focus of worship is Allah, and so on. The point is, whatever one’s choice, there is a need for focused worship in the beginning. It is difficult for an aspirant to set out saying, “Oh, I will recognize and I worship God in all forms.” Focus is the key – focusing one’s devotion on a single form or aspect of the Divine. Then, eventually, through this focused practice of devotion, a realization arises from deep within: God is not just Lord Shiva, or Maa Kali, Jesus or Allah – God is any and all of these. At this point, the aspirant transcends the need for focused worship and is able to fully acknowledge and commune with the Divine in all forms.
He also said this: I still say jappa before you (speaking of his disciples), I still light candles and bow in worship to Lord Shiva, but I do this in much the same way as a parent goes to the child’s bedside at night and teaches the child to recite simple prayers. The adult has outgrown these childish prayers, but every night he or she still goes to the child’s bed, kneels down and teaches the child how to pray. This is what I am doing now when you see me worshipping my Ishta Devata – I am the parent teaching the child how to pray, teaching, by example, how to be focused in your worship of the Divine. One day, however, you will grow up and you will become detached from your Ishta Devata – you will see the Divine in all forms and you will no longer be confined by the need to worship God in one form only.
It is funny, Aditya, that you bring up the subject of prejudice in relation to this story of Ramkrishna and his imperative to “kill” Goddess Kali, because it is indeed a form of prejudice that grows up around us and engulfs us when we worship the Divine in one single form. Whether we are Christian or Muslim, or Hindu (and we have our chosen deity), we start to think that “our God” is the only true God, or at any rate, higher or more important than other gods. Eventually we have to break through that barrier of prejudice, and I think that perhaps this is what Ramkrishna’s guru was encouraging him to do when he told him that he must “kill” Maa Kali. Rankrishna had attained spiritual perfection in other ways, but still he was attached to this one form of the Divine. He had to shatter that attachment – kill the Goddess – in order to break free and recognize the Divine as it manifests in all forms.
As you say, Aditya, “love binds us.” We start out loving the Divine in a particular form but then we grow to spiritual adulthood and our love grows too. Eventually it needs to be free to express itself fully and we need to be free to receive divine love without prejudice as to the form.
Much love to you, Aditya!
Many Blessings,
Savita
Dear Aditya,
Thank you for that story, very interesting indeed.
I like your in depth view Savita. Although, kali cannot be killed, just like God, she is omnipotent. And yes, there is the divine in all forms.
Thank you both for a lovely story!
love
C.
Dear all,
-”Each man creates the thing he loves,
Some do it with hand,
Some with a flattering words,
The coward does it without effort,
The brave man with a pain in heart.”
-”Everybody in the world is criminal, those who are not found guilty have pockets full of money.”
-”Life is very long journey which never ends, only thing that comes to an end is destination.”
-”Imagine a day without suffering,
Now, imagine a day only with happiness,
Which one is better?Suffering or Happiness,
To most of us, Happiness
Stupid, total stupidness,
Happiness is son of Suffering.
Now, which one is better?”
-”Sometimes it feels as if I am dead,
Sometimes it feels as if I am dead man alive,
When I visit poor countries, it feels as if I am in hell,
Not me, but those who are like me,
I feel pain not for me, but for them,
Not everyone is fortunate enough,
To get pleasure of both heaven and hell,
Being dead at some point and alive at other,
In Mother Nature, Mother Earth alone.
Before complaining, look below yourself
Above is unlimited, below is very limited,
Poor countries, poor life, poor vision,
lies below, deep below
Stop complaining and Help each other !”
God bless you all !
Dear Luminita,
Thank you so much, appreciated ! ;)
God blesses you too !
and
God bless you all !
Sheela,
Good …Helping each other, Sharing with each other…These are nicest thing a human can do…
God blesses you
and
God bless you all !
“Dans l’etre que nous appelons un homme vit egalement une femme.Et dans la femme existe un homme. Qu’un homme reve de porter un enfant n’a rien d’etrange sauf que ce souhait est si obstinement nie .”
Godrekk “le livre du ca”
Santosh you great. Nice version.
God bless you
Love Alexandra
Hello dear Paul Pandora and Heart!
Ugga ugga… that’s pretty funny!
I beg to differ though. If that is the case, I might as well become a lesbian then… LOL
When a man and woman start dating, instinctively, automatically they take on the male and female roles, like it or not, unless of course you’re gay or lesbian, wait, EVEN then one is the butch and one the fem!
It’s the interplay of male and female energies, Even present in gay relationships, Ha! LOL try to argue that one now!
I am not saying that these energies do not switch, as often happens like Heart mentioned, it happens also during sex, role switching, anyways, let me not get off the subject again.
Both partners of course need to take care of one another, but I was coming from a place of when guys play so many games that there is no trust, no foundation and it all crumbles. Most guys I dated were like that, some because of their insecurities would just play games and others because they were just players, but it was impossible to depend on such individuals. What’s the point of a relationship anyways when you need your partner to talk to and he or she is not there or busy playing games. Now who wants that?
love
C.
Yes Paul, I agree.
Instincts don’t lie, they don’t have motives!
love
C.
Fascinating subject for me, so I will share some of my experience. I was married for nearly 9 years to a woman who was more masculine in the role she played, in that she was more interested in career and not at all interested in anything domestic or traditional “feminine” roles. I’m not saying she was a total “man” in our relationship, but the gaps left room for me to become more feminine, I spent more time looking after our children, cooking meals, organising social get togethers and so on. Then there were times when I had to revert to being “career” minded, which opened a whole other dimension which I will not go into, but I think Paul touched on when he spoke of some of the difficulty for men in these times, knowing what role they fulfill.
We have separated now, and I am in a new relationship with someone who quite openly says she wants to be the “girl” in our relationship. She has even called me a moody bitch at times, when I fall into old habits of role playing! (love is blind to these things, sometimes! :)). The most interesting is my voice has deepened, and where I used to have very little facial hair, I now have “5 o’clock shadow”. It is quite fascinating, and I must say, I am enjoying being the man in the relationship. There is only ever room for one man and one woman I think (perhaps even in same-sex relationships!).
With love from someone who is enjoying getting in touch with their inner “ugga ugga”!! :-)
p.s. Instinct is sooooooo so precious!
What that funny talk? By the way. Today I saw first time a gay, that is really obvious. In medicine shop. Was smiling and kind, so I have nothing bad to add, for my surprise. In my country hard to see one that not hide, and more hard to see one that not inspires hate or disgust. The one I saw today was not as others, was funny and so ready to help .
Hope I not seem to promote . Is just a rare thing to see here.
Interesting!! The first line of this quote is quite mind blowing! And I agree:
Years ago, tending to a beautiful garden, I waited for the last full moon in May then soon after planted seeds; spent hours watching, learning, watering. Praying for a good harvest, and then months later, gratitude for the bountiful crop – enough vegetables to feed our family as well as a few friends, for a full year!
“Each man kills the thing he loves” … well, I loved gardening. Was I not killing each plant in order to feed and nourish? Yes. And the plant became part of us.
On a humorous note I also think of first born son. Upon receiving a new toy, the first thing he would do is take it all apart, to see how it worked.
Thank You Paulo, Much Love to All, Jane : ) xo
Hello
Yes you’re right isn’t it amazing that in antiquity, the Godess of love and fertility is also the Godess of death and devouring?
The symbolism is clear one have to symbolically kill what he loves, starting by his own old ego and habits in order to create new more developed ones..
so true,”Upon receiving a new toy, the first thing he would do is take it all apart, to see how it worked.” Thanks for reminding me of that! Little EInsteins in the making.
:)
I am a sixteen year old girl from amsterdam and I just finished reading two of your books, Brida and The Alchemist. I LOVE YOU and I LOVE YOUR WORK. But why did you choose not to name some of the people in the Alchemist? And why did you choose the name Wicca in the book Brida? It doesn’t have anything to do with Wicca and it seems like a comercial selling stunt, that dissapointed me.
“Wiccapedia.” Ha ha! I like that.
Sorry Paul from Austria with that I didn’t mean that he was pushing a new religion for witches or any religion at all for that matter. It’s just that there are a lot of wiccans or witches or whatever you would like to name them were excited to read the book and then got dissapointed. Wicca has nothing to do with this book at all. So I was just wondering if Wicca was just a fast pick name without much thought for all the misconception. Or if the misconception was perhaps intended or if there was another true meaning to the name. Anyway I still Coelho’s work nevertheless.
Love Priscilla
NICE QUOTE PAULO
I would like to send you this one
The World of Body vs. World of Soul by Iqbal
Delve deep into your buried Self, and find the clue to life,
If you cannot be mine then be not, but be your own;
World of soul- a world of fire, ecstasy and longing,
World of body- a world of gain, fraud and cunning;
The treasure of the spirit once again gained is never lost again,
The treasure of the body is a shadow- wealth comes and goes ;
In the world of soul I have found no Frankish rule,
In that world no Sheikh or Brahmin I have seen;
This saying of the Qalandar poured shame and shame on me;
When you kneel to anothers might neither body nor soul is your own.
Note: Iqbal uses the Qalandar as a symbol for the evolved man who has realized in himself the truth of self-development.
Thank you Carolena and Pandora and Paul.
Yes Carolena, you younger generation females have become so clever, beautiful, talented, daring, hunters, powerful, that there is nothing that a male can … offer you!! You have everything.
I smile, dearest Paul, at the :’a woman can still.. bare children’. Because they can do it now, even without a .. man!! They go to a .. sperm -bank and in nine months they have their … order delivered. With Noble prize winner’s genes!! I happen to know such a case.. She lives in Europe, works there and a single mother of two. She has made that decision when she found out that she did not find anyone suitable for marriage..
I am a little romantic as Carolena says. To have the traditional roles, to allow the man guide us, to wait to be asked by him first, to be serenaded, to learn the beauty of dreaming and of expectation. Who is to blame?? I think it is that with the demands of modern life and the many working hours of both at the end they have lost the traditional hours of ..breakfast, lunch, dinner, sitting together and looking into one an-other’s eyes. We all sit now … opposite the ..lap-top screen and ..fill our empty souls with .. dreams and hopes.. Facebook has become the party we used to go as young people.. Dancing, touching, flirting.. And when they meet they are in a hurry to return to their .. loneliness and ipod!! A new fashion now!! Your ‘friends’ can reach you everywhere.. but when you meet ..you are not there!! Ha, ha. A pessimistic picture.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Ohhh, Thelma. Is not like that. At times I thought same. But is all already lived, if we remember the way our ancestors comunicate with letters. Is as writing messages. WE still there. We need more spirit food we want to admit. So many avoid physicall.But who knows how is better.
Dear Thelma
I think that facebook is not the party that we all used to go to, it is in addition to the parties…. it is more, not less….
Lots of love
XXX
Hello Thelma, your words are so correct..
It just reminds me of a book, though is written in the 1950s, it is ideas are gaining credits more and more with passing of time..
The book’s title is “Modern man in search for soul” by C.G. Jung
Yes it looks that the soul is gone missing somewhere or it is eclipsed by the way we are living now that is the product of our PERSONAL as much as collective ego…
But the search have to start to gain back what we lost..
realtonship between a man and a woman is more, much, much much more than reducing it to just progeny producing, as you and most of us too know very well.
just because something is a possibility, it need not become an actuality. in internet age news papers are not required, but romamce of news papers will it them alive, newer generations too will discover it.
The values / expereinces you speak of is called culture Thelma, am i right and one needs to work on oneself to be cultured.
so fear not grand lady, these man eating woman will soon realise ,,,,, what for ? a woman can never become a complete woman by aping men, and what is teh need in first place, power ???? ha ha ha !!!! the biggest illusion of all, ask those superclass from paulo’s winner stands alone !
love
aditya
Dear Paul from Austria, thank you. I was just joking.. I fully understood what you meant.. I am sure your command of English is much better than mine.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dearest Sheela, thank you. Do you believe it, Santosh lives in .. Finland ??!! I have found that after he has become a friend in facebook. So, you go there and find me and be a friend too. Thelma Tryfonidou is my name!! I do not use pseudonym because I may forget it !!!! ;-]
Coincidence?? Last night I was watching a trailer of the “PROPOSAL”…
The Madison Bridges is the film you are mentioning about? Starring Meryl Streep and Clint Eastwood?? A wonderful tender film. As you know, Paulo and me belong to the … Golden Era of the cinema. It was considered the Eighth Miracle!!!
Love and hugs too,
Thelma xxx
Hope
How beautiful is that when in moment of anguish we stumble upon people of well and good sentiments. There are people that say that there isn’t such thing as good luck, but I insist that there is. How good is to know that there always be some hope, that at the end of the road there will be a light, and that sooner or later that light will illuminate the road.
I feel that in this phase of my life there has been a great deal of will that it hasn’t been in vain –and is that I had acted with my ideas and sentiments, and even though I have failed, I had and will wrestle it with love and hope. This is why I admire so much the capacity of loving and the will of doing good in life. This is why I live with hope, and I love for hope.
Author: Alexis Nazario Steyners
Copyright © 2006, 2006, 2007 (with the Library of Congress)
Hope
How beautiful is that when in moment of anguish we stumble upon people of well and good sentiments. There are people that say that there isn’t such thing as good luck, but I insist that there is. How good is to know that there always be some hope, that at the end of the road there will be a light, and that sooner or later that light will illuminate the road.
I feel that in this phase of my life there has been a great deal of will that it hasn’t been in vain –and is that I had acted with my ideas and sentiments, and even though I have failed, I had and will wrestle it with love and hope. This is why I admire so much the capacity of loving and the will of doing good in life. That’s why I live with hope, and I love for hope.
Author: Alexis Nazario Steyners
Copyright © 2006, 2006, 2007 (with the Library of Congress)
“Una carta de amor”
El Amor de un escritor, para el amor de mi vida
Anoche estuve sentado escribiendo como siempre, pero definitivamente no podía dejar de pensar en ti. La noche se me hizo más larga que nunca, y mientras escribía esta carta de amor, se me hacia un nudo en la garganta; pero decidí seguir –porque te quiero.
Muchas veces te he expresado mis sentimientos en diferentes maneras, pero esta vez decidí hacerlo a través del lápiz y el papel.
Qué lindo es sentirse emocionado y hasta enamorado, decirlo y escribirlo. ¿La verdad? No sé lo que me ha pasado. Pero por si mis palabras no han sido suficientes, aquí está escrita, la confesión de mi amor.
De todo corazón, una carta de amor.
Una carta de amor, de las de antes, a lápiz y papel. Qué bonita debe ser esa carta, a lápiz y papel, que guarda tan tiernos sentimientos y emociones. Suerte.
Dear Luminita Amon, I also have seen the film and I really loved it.. The ‘way’ he loved the One and only woman of his dreams.. I also liked the ‘humor’!! Addressing and writing commercial letters in the .. form of love letters!! I smiled, me being a little like that .. I just cannot be cold and impersonal!!!;-]
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dear Luminita Amon, I will be happy to see you and have ..coffee or a soft drink or an … Amaretto, with Cyprus sweets. Just remember I live in Limassol or Lemessos, in the South Coast and send me an email to be sure to be around.
So my friends Warriors, I am here for every one if you decide to visit Cyprus.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Maybe . But I strongly disagree to every generalization. Sounds great as verse, but the content is bit weird. Why one have to kill the things he most love? Maybe is mad. ???
There is a natural law called law of disintegration. Where, by nature everything goes from order to disorder, from life to death. We need to be aware of it, taking care of the things we care about to minimize this results.
I find this weeks quote of the week very poetic. I have read it many times through the book and blog and the energy is always beautiful, sad, wise, and a reminder. Written by Oscar Wilde inspires me.
One of my favourites quotes that reminds me these other wises words of american indians “Walk your talk” to be a brave man.
I agree with you.
A Great quote Frederico, similar to: ‘practice what you preach’
Great quote “walk your talk”
Without any doubt, one of my favorite!!!+!
Thank you for the reminder. Time has come to use the sword.
Love,
Anca
Dear Paulo,
This is a good qoute. A qoute to keep in our minds when we interact with our loved ones and to understand the impact of our actions (as small as gestures and body language) have on the people we love.
I don’t fully understand though the ‘coward does it with a kiss’ line? ………..Does it mean that a coward does not have the strength to tell the one he/she loves what they are doing wrong and thereby letting the person make a mistake leading to the ‘death’ of the love?
If anyone can provide the fully meaning of the qoute, that would be great!
PS.I can understand the ‘bitter’ part though..have experienced that!!
It somewhat helps if you read it in context, I think. Here is a link to the full poem by Oscar Wilde, though I don’t know how Paulo interprets it in his book, as I have not yet read The Valkyries:
http://www.emotionalliteracyeducation.com/classic_books_online/rgaol10.htm
Anyway – the kiss. My interpretation is something like suffocation. Sometimes we love the thing so much and clutch to it so tightly that we smoother it to death. We can do this to a lover, or even to a child.
the line “cowards does it with a kiss” make me think of the bible when judas betrayed jesus with a kiss. therefore, i think that line refers to people who betrayes the trust other persons have in them. in other words have you ever have a best friend or a family menbe you thought were real with and when you didnt expect they did something that hurt you/ kill you.
I think most of us thought of juda just like i did but i believe it represent our fear in the truth.All of us kill what we love at one point or another weather is someone or our personal goals.A brave men use a sword which could repersent pride most of use who are proud will always use pride to justify why we can’t admite when we are wrong or why we can’t take a step back to try and understand what life is trying to tell us.Cowards do it with a kiss because they will always smile and pretend that everything is alright but will never have the courage to look what they love in the eyes and admite there wrong doing or that something needs to be done in order to rectify the situation.I believe that most of use us flattering words to cover our insecurity when our love is someone or we try to justify why we don’t do what it take to reach goals by convincing our self that our love if not what we really wanted.With that said most of us don’t fight for what we want and choose the safest bath suffer for the rest of our life.
O problema é o excesso,este sim,destrói tudo o que o homem toca,além disso,o amor está sujeito a luz astral,assim como tudo no mundo,estando também,sujeito a lei natural de equilíbrio e polaridade.
!Virtus in medium est!
PAX ET LUX
Wow, such a profound, yet sad quote. I like the difference between the coward and the brave man.
raising my glass to you too,beautiful poetry Ben!
Yes it’s true..and it’s painful. I’ve ‘killed’ the love and affection that my beloved familiy members and a few people who befriended me. I ‘killed them with a sword’ I could not accept the obvious false love and affection and flattering words and the bitter look given me. It is painful but i guess, ‘killing with a sword’ is truly brave. It’s comforting to know..
I read one bible scripture that says, “the tongue can be sharper than the sharpest sword”… so when we speak of the truth, it is always painful to others who live a lie. It is painful not to have them in my life. But the pain i feel means I care and I love. I may be in pain but I am not suffering. Does that make sense?..
thank you Paulo…oxoxoxo
lezah
Hello lezah
It realy makes sense for me because it’s wise to go away from lies and false feelings.
have a nice day
…
So they kept us close till nigh on noon,
And then they rang the bell,
And the warders with their jingling keys
Opened each listening cell,
And down the iron stair we tramped,
Each from his separate Hell.
Out into God’s sweet air we went,
But not in wonted way,
For this man’s face was white with fear,
And that man’s face was gray,
And I never saw sad men who looked
So wistfully at the day.
I never saw sad men who looked
With such a wistful eye
Upon that little tent of blue
We prisoners called the sky,
And at every happy cloud that passed
In such strange freedom by.
But there were those amongst us all
Who walked with downcast head,
And knew that, had each got his due,
They should have died instead:
He had but killed a thing that lived,
Whilst they had killed the dead.
…
Yes, this is definitely one on my list of favorite poems, but you are so right, Paulo – the whole bitter-sweet truth of it is indeed contained in that one last stanza.
It also makes me think of a song by one of my favorite artists, also known for his spectacular ballads, Nick Cave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srgfw7GDkM
**********
But there were those amongst us all
Who walked with downcast head,
And knew that, had each got his due,
They should have died instead:
He had but killed a thing that lived,
Whilst they had killed the dead.
***********
I picture that scene in my mind..I felt heavy in my chest…I wonder how we humans, or what we must go through in order to recognize human dignity?… thank you Savita for sharing this.. it truly hit me and making me think of how must i spend the rest of the remaining days of my life.. take care..oxoxo..
lezah
Do we do this, conciously, or unconciously?
Hi Liina,
Don’t know if this is meant conciously or unconciously… I never kill anything with a sword. Dont know if that is right or wrong… but it feels right to me :)
Love
what is the steps so we don’t destroy the thing we loved so our dreams will be filled?
This is rather bitter and sad. I don’t like to think that this is true. Maybe sometimes it does happen, I’ve done it too, sometimes I kill a plant by over watering it, or not watering it enough.
So I guess it’s sad but true!
Although I don’t like to think so!
love
C.
Dear Carolena
The extract of this poem was originally by Oscar Wilde when he was imprisoned for being a homosexual and forced to do hard labour in Victorian England.
It is based on his witnessing the cruetly and barabaric conditions that the prisoners were given and the lack of compassion showed. This particular reference relates to a true story about a man who killed a woman he loved, and was hung.
Here is a brief article from the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/mar/23/oscar-wilde-ballad-reading-gaol-poem
(it is a bit on the heavy side as i’m sure you can imagine!!!)
With love
Pandora
Carolena, I couldn’t agree with you more. I do not like this saying. If it is true, I doubt it. If it is true, at least I want to believe; Each woman gives life to the things she loves.
Love,
Heart
Thanks you guys!! Thanks Pandora for the article, rather sad!
I see now where that comes from.
Although I can connect this to fear. I’ve dated men in the past, that through their insecurities, ended up destroying our relationship. It’s really sad you know, because their fear makes them play games and a relationship, if there is no base to it, no trust, just spinning on games then it just will Never happen. And they ended up destroying the thing they loved. The human mind cannot be trusted sometimes. For what is a man to a woman if he can not provide security? a man is supposed to make a woman feel safe, well, not supposed to per say, but to feel safe next to a man is the most feminine feeling. Anyways, am i going off subject! I guess I’ve met my share of guys like that and it can get pretty frustrating.
Thank you Pandora for the information shared.
There is much ‘bitterness’ in this quote..
Myself being optimistic, I prefer to think that this quote applies to rare ..cases and it is not a rule, even if we ‘know’ that Judas exists, [betrayal with a kiss..], the ..flattering words of the ..snakes [staggering a knife on our backs], the …deadly, killing, bitter looks and the ..braves who say openly that they are ..enemies.. But I doubt that there is love in those hearts! It is the false ‘mask’ of love that they have put on, because they refuse to see that love is Light and wisdom is mastering our ‘lower’ instincts and sentiments.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Thank you Pandora for that article from the Guardian.
Love
Marie-Christine x
LOVE to YOU!
Carla dear,
I am compelled to tell you this because of my experience, if it can prevent you from getting hurt, then I will have done a good deed and that will make me happy.
There are lots of cowards out there dear Carla, it is very important to take care of your emotions and feelings because hif you don’t, no one else wills. I’ve been hurt like that many times, and its was my fault that I let that person into my life and allowing myself to believe what he said to me, to find that afterwards, he dropped out of my life like a hot potato. Without a word, just started ignoring me, my calls, my letters. After all that we shared, our emotions and feelings and even dreams.
How can a person do that? How was I supposed to know that this is the kind of person he is. I wouldn’t be surprised to know that he does this to women over and over again.
So what I’m trying to say is that you never know, you just have to be careful, protect your emotions, don’t open your heart so easily because as open as it is, that’s how much it can hurt. Even this is unavoidable, we can’t live with closed hearts, but just be careful who you open it for and how much! Sounds mechanical, but that’s actually how men function so maybe we woman can learn from them! Take care dear Carla.
love
Anna Marie
Dearest Sheela, thank you for … feeling my hugs.. ;-] Where do you live? Hyd??
So I am here in Cyprus, in Limassol in my flat, ready for a ..coffee or tea and Cypriot sweets and sandwiches with .. Halloumi [special Cypriot cheese] and lots of love..
Just tell me the date and time.. Are you … all coming? I will be so happy to meet you. Bring Paulo Coelho with you too.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal
Dear Sheela, I found Hyderabad in the google.. It looks beautiful..
We, Cypriots, love food and good wine!!
Yes, Cyprus is half way to … Paris where Paulo lives!!! I wish I had a Magic Carpet and meet you and hug you and look into your eyes. Today there was again in the T.V. the film about Gandhi. One of my idols. He was a friend of President Makarios, our first President of the Democracy of Cyprus.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
You are welcome Marie Christine, I have just been delivered the book by David Servan Schreiber, anti-cancer…. amazon is quick, thank you for recommending it to me.
Love
Pandora
Dear Carolena and all,
I think that a woman should ask where a potential lovers heart lies:
* if he points to his head…. you know the sex might be a bit thin on the ground, but you will have good conversations;
* if he points to his crutch or yours, you know the sex might be frequent, but the love will be fleeting;
* but if he points to your heart, you know you have got it made…
:-)
It is interesting what you say about men losing their instinctive role Paul, who do you think is to blame for this?
All the evidence that exists points to a more matriarchal society in prehistoric times, and obviously now we are in a strongly based patriarchal one, although that seems to be shifting slowly…
Lots of love,
Pandora
Paul…and Carolena and Pandora and all,
Good to see you! Your ugga, ugga made me laugh out loud.
I don’t know if we ever had ideal male/female roles as suggested here. I’m inclined to think human beings at all times have always been a mixture of female/male hormones, more or less.
In my families we always had very strong women. I grew up with my mother constantly telling me about what a wimp my uncle, her little brother was. She always had to look after him and to this day, we see him as a wimp, who always hangs in his mothers skirt. Yes, he married, but never was a protective man to his wife. She took care of him, not the other way around. Anymore, I believe much more in mutual care taking, even though I must admit, Carolena’s male image of a man protecting us, sounds wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Would be sooo niiiccceee :)
Hello dear Paul Pandora and Heart!
Ugga ugga… that’s pretty funny!
I beg to differ though. If that is the case, I might as well become a lesbian then… LOL
When a man and woman start dating, instinctively, automatically they take on the male and female roles, like it or not, unless of course you’re gay or lesbian, wait, EVEN then one is the butch and one the fem!
It’s the interplay of male and female energies, Even present in gay relationships, Ha! LOL try to argue that one now!
I am not saying that these energies do not switch, as often happens like Heart mentioned, it happens also during sex, role switching, anyways, let me not get off the subject again.
Both partners of course need to take care of one another, but I was coming from a place of when guys play so many games that there is no trust, no foundation and it all crumbles. Most guys I dated were like that, some because of their insecurities would just play games and others because they were just players, but it was impossible to depend on such individuals. What’s the point of a relationship anyways when you need your partner to talk to and he or she is not there or busy playing games. Now who wants that?
love
C.
Ohhh, I am not sure I got it well. But I guess I heard that while a talk about the Golden Age of Humanity, considered the period of ancient Greeks. After that we have decline. That I read it too in Dantes ” La Divina Commedia”, while Dante walk with Vergilius they rich some statues carved in different materials, from gold to cheaper.
I see… Sometimes we are so stupid, me first of all. We really tend to treat bad who is nearer to us, with different excuses.
God help me to know better what and when to do.
Ohh Alexandra, my ..comment above belongs to the … bottom of the page, answering to Carolena, Paul and Heart.. So join the conversation!! I do belong to that time of your … ancestors!!! I used to write letters and put some … perfume on for a .. personal touch!!!
LOVE,
Thelma xx
Nice to hear that. I feel more normal now… Thanks
Love
Alexandra
Yes, dearest Thelma not only perfume for a personal touch but I also sealed the letter with a kiss!!!
With loving kindness,
Satora
So?? I used to write letters too, and spray my perfume on it too. And in Greece, I used to have the Candy Candy letters and matching envelopes, pink and blue colored and all and some of them even smelled good. How about the scratch and sniff?? LOL
Seems like loneliness would be obsolete with all the internet and friends sites, but who prefers to sit in front of the computer and chat rather than chat face to face. Imagine you’re in love with someone and you’d prefer to communicate with that person from your window… What? has anyone ever heard of such a thing? No!
I don’t know about y’all, but I really get drained if I use the computer too much, it sucks all my energy and leaves me dead, energetically. I can’t say I enjoy surfing on it so much. Yes I love the computer for all its capabilities but I guess I don’t like to be an addict of any sort. Only love, but that I already am!
Anyways, enjoy your laptops!
If you do use the computer a lot, it’s a good idea to walk barefoot on the earth often, releasing all the charge into the earth and balancing your energies!
love
C.
Dear Carolena,
Thanks for that tip about the barefoot walking. It makes a lot of sense, and I can see how it could serve to counter that sort of dull trance that too-much-computer causes. Sometimes if I spend too much time on the computer, I begin to feel disembodied, and not in a positive sense. I feel like a brain, floating around in space, with no corporeal existence.
I love walking barefoot on the earth, anyway, and try to make a point of doing this at least once a day. Somehow, doing this always makes me feel more centered, more balanced, more connected not only with my own body but with all life.
Much Love,
Savita
Dear Savita,
The quote is from the prologue of the book. Paulo’s Master “J” wrote it on a napkin just before leaving him and sending him on the quest, which the book is about.
“So that’s what the task is for.” he said, as his master handed over his passport for stamping. “to break the curse.”
And ‘J” answered, just as seriously. “It’s for love. For victory. And for the glory of God.” Page 9 The Valkyries – Paulo Coelho (HarperPerennial)
I highly recommend you read this book.
(Annie – Ξανά, μια κατάρα !!)
With loving kindness,
Satora
hello Frederico,
thanks for sharing your thoughts..it is for our own sanity to distance ourselves from falsehood… let us free ourselves from all the lies.. ;) .. oxoxo..
lezah
Thanks, Satora. I am very much looking forward to it. It is sitting in my suitcase now – next in line – beneath the Zahir, which I am reading currently.
Love,
Savita
I hear from tv that a parent, a mother who spoil her kid, doing all in the kid place, is destroying the kid. So yes, too much ” LOve”, can do harm. But if we think better, is that really love, or desire to posess, controll. I cant undesrtand my mother, who gives foor with the spoon to my 6 years nephew. He is not cripple, is a normal child. I always angry seeing such, and think the kid meanwhile plays on pc. She give him juice in that bottle for little babies. THe interesting is the kid at my house, was very able to drink from a cup, because he knew I am not like my mom. I know is not nice talking about mom, and else poor woman is a good person, just she see things in a , lets say , wrong light.
Love
Alexandra
Dear beautiful Satora, kisses… We are not very old … after all.. We do kiss from the windows-live messenger Winks now!! A… big …virtual kiss. That leave us with a warm heart and a big .. desire for a … real kiss!!!! ;-]
Yes dearest Pandora, facebook is …just supplementary .. for us, that we already have enriched our senses with ‘real life sentiments’. Younger generations are happy, I think, just with that. They do not have time to allow their fantasy grow.
Dearest Paul, ugga ugga!! Real love is NOT a matter of pleasing our partner, I think. It is the sensitivity of ..both to open their hearts to the other person’s demands, but our OWN too. Because if we only give and give and do not …receive at the end we will end up with a …thirsty, drought heart!! ;-]
Yes, dearest daughter Annie, I am …. obsessed with my .. lap-top and thankful because I have found you all and first of all Paulo Coelho!! Imagine we can be in touch with him every minute.. The ‘dream writer’ of our times!!! And even ..ask questions about his works! I think, dear Paulo Coelho, the next step for us, thirsty Souls, is to teach us how to pass the … Bridge and learn communication …without the ..use of the ..computers!!! The … Broomstick, or the Magic Carpet!!
Thank you Carolena and Heart and .. ‘since we still live in the material world, our senses need … proves and to ‘see/smell/touch/taste/hear the .. Song of the Earth and the …Music of the Spheres!!!
End of my …speech, dear Alexandra!!! Ha, ha!!!
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
She certainly does Alexandra, sounds like the mom has some issues!
A pity to take a person’s ability, will away from them like that, from such a young age or at any age!
Hi C,
instincts are because of motives, had those motives not been there, no instncts are possible ! my two cents –
I enjoyed going through most of the posts here. as usual i wanted to respond to every bit, but ….
liked your “enjoy your lap tops” i personally prefer desk tops and seldom browse internet ( i get lost there ) just paulo’s sites and 1 more site, and it’s not that i hate lap tops, just that laps should be kept free, u never know ….;-)
love
aditya
Dear Carolena, Paul, Thelma, Heart (beautiful name) and everyone
I am getting confused as to where to post, hopefully this will end up in the write place.
For me the instinct to trust is the heart, the others can have different motives, and can lead to many different places…
I found this quote from the poetess/authoress Georges Sand (Aurore Dupin, she changed her name to a mans in order to write in 19th century France).
I think it is a beautiful description of how a man and a woman walk the road of love together… hand in hand, side by side….
“Don’t walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don’t walk behind me, I may not lead. There is only one joy in life, to love and be loved”.
She was ahead of her time…
Ha! that’s funny, ‘getting in touch with their inner “ugga ugga’
Look at what you started Paul!!
oh a la Daniel the “bariton” voice hey and the “5 o’clock shadow”
keep pushing the ugga ugga inner and see what comes up next. Love it.
Have fun :)
Can you sing “Old man river” as well.
Lucky “SHeila.”
Hi Tarek, nice to .. talk with you! Not only the book you are mentioning about was written in 1950, but I was also born in …1948! I have not read that book of Carl Jung. Now that you have mentioned it I am going to look for it. I have the ‘Man and his symbols’ bt him. There are so many things I want to learn..
Yes you are right.I think now a new circle has begun and every one is starting to search for a meaning and the TRUTH. So many new .. Warriors of the Light, dear Paulo Coelho!!
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Aditya dear,
Forgive me for shaking your role image of men and women a little bit, as I see it so much as cultural learning. You say ‘becoming a complete woman by aping men’. To me this is a discussion about what came first, the egg or the hen. To me men in India ape women, wearing skirts (in Scotland too), so why is it aping men when women wear jeans? Didn’t women wear jeans since ancient times in China?
Love,
Heart
Dear friend Aditya, thank you. You are right I still need to read the news-paper everyday! You see we need to touch the paper and find out who from our friends has … died!! You know the .. funerals, well and the weddings!! I am just making ‘black humor’.
I think that we, each one of us looks at the World and life with our acquired ‘senses’ during our Path. Sometimes in order to get experiences and sometimes to ..give. Every movement and every thought we make enriches our Soul and Aura. These are what we take with us to the next step, until we become only Light.
I wish Paulo Coelho will arrange a meeting of all of us to meet some time. Not a .. party but a … Round Table …. meeting !!! ;-] Not a … square!!!!
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dear Alexandra,
Thank you so much, appreciated ! ;)
God blesses you too !
and
God bless you all !
Dear Savita,
Your words and explanation was refreshing , profound and enlightening.
Thanks for sharing your insight.
love,
Laxmi
thnaks savita,,
interesting to know you are from ramkrishna’s clan. and about the need to focus all your love and devotion to one god ishta devta has been makrked as important, because otehrwise your energy, your focus gets dissipated, but when u are one with existance, there is no loking back, u are existance.
thanks for your ‘piece’
and about this one prejudice, i prefer to hold on to some prejudices ! how about that.
love
aditya
Wow Savita!..thanks for sharing your insight.. i will come back and read your post over and over again because to my mind it is what my own journey is all about….I desire to go back to the state of purity and to finally recognize the IMAGE of GOD/DEVINE in all forms…
as you wrote here….
“We start out loving the Divine in a particular form but then we grow to spiritual adulthood and our love grows too. Eventually it needs to be free to express itself fully and we need to be free to receive divine love without prejudice as to the form.”….
I call God ‘PURE THOUGHT’..we started out as pure thought and all we know is to feel….but then we learn many different things and the purity of our thoughts is pushed aside…We only get it back by unlearning and breaking free…i can not articulate in my own words but i feel the freedom you are talking about…it shows that all religions are talking about the same things… interpretations differ according to people’s willingness to rid themselves of all sorts of prejudice…i feel that purifying the thought is the path to total enlightenment… to once again become one with the Devine..
Is is possible to have “pure thought’ whilst holding on to prejudice?…Am just thinking of what Aditya said…
oxoxo,
lezah
Hi Savita !
did u incidentely stumble upon the test of whether one is relegious or not u said “we start to think that “our God” is the only true God, or at any rate, higher or more important than other gods” any one who feels this way is irerelious, or should we say people who feel and think this way are irerelious till they continue to feel this way. such a view is classical case of pursuing some ego stuff in name of releigion or religiousness ! ask any person who u feel is truly releigious and his her reply may be.. whatever, but a religious person cannot think like what u said, when u’r god is the only true god where is teh question of it being higher or lower than other gods !
sorry i don’t feel religious person will feel that way !
love
aditya
OMG!Are you kidding me?A gay who is funny and ready to help?(You can’t hear my voice but I’m being sarcastic!)Ok,I know I should be tolerant because in some countries mostly are still so far away from tolerance.I can’t blame you because you’ve been raised like that,you heard people talk like that,but I’m a bit shocked,I thought it was the 21st century!Am I getting back to medieval age?I’m back in that place when I watch the news thought.Tell me Alexandra,just what is it that you find disgusting or hateful?The love of a human being for another one?We all talk about love and that love should be free,so what about the freedom to chose to love whoever we want?What about freedom?What about love?You’ve just said in a comment this week that you were against all sorts of generalisations!Yes I ‘ve been reading that!So wow,what a contradiction!Hope you eventually get there one day..to tolerance!
No hard feelings!
The place where you live, Alexandra, sounds very much like the place where I grew up. In my school, I can remember one boy who, from an early age, was quite obviously gay, and yet it was also painfully evident that he did everything in his power to repress and cover this up. Of course, he was also the focus of many harsh and cruel-hearted jokes, and many of the other boys often tried to physically push him around and threaten him with violence. After graduation, I moved away and never saw him again, but I always wondered what ever became of him, living in this oppressive environment. Recently, however, after almost twenty-five years, I attended a school reunion, and he was there. From the moment he entered the room it was obvious that he had become himself. He was hiding nothing and, in fact, even brought his boyfriend with him. I was so glad for this – so glad to see that he had not allowed the conservative and highly intolerant environment of this small, isolated town to crush him under the weight of its social norms and expectations. He was who he was, at last, and I was very proud of him.
I have no answers as to what “causes” certain people to be gay. In fact, I don’t even feel the need to look for these answers. The fact that some people say that they just FEEL that this is what they are meant to be is enough for me. I think everyone should have the freedom to be who and what they feel they are – whatever that is – so long as they are not hurting anyone else or attempting to force their way of life on others.
And, by the way, I’ve worked with and known a lot of gay men and women in my life, and I find them to be just like anybody else: some nice and some not so nice, some funny and some dreadfully boring, some amiable and some nasty, some uplifting and some quite depressing. Often the stereotypes proposed by society creep into and occupy our minds, clouding our vision of all that we see; however, in time, if we step out into the world with an open heart, these stereotypes can be replaced by real experiences and real relationships with real people. Once we meet the “monster” face-to-face, we see that it is no monster at all, but only a shadow cast by our own mind.
Wishing you all the best!
Much Love,
Savita
Smiling @ ya lil Annie!
I’m just teasing the poor man Aditya. I’m not sure what the trousers..like bottom piece… women in China/Asia/Arabia wearing is called. Seems most modern women on the entire globe like to wear jeans once in awhile. In USA, people working for the government are allowed to wear Jeans on Fridays, if, and only if, one is not serving clients :) Anyway, now I can imagine you walking your dog in the park wearing Jeans!
Thelma…you are dreaming about meeting Paulo again! Just like me and Carolena who wants him to summon us! Perhaps all he wants is to be left alone?
Love,
Heart
and Jeans wearing women are my favourite. so no conflict !
In india men don’r wear skirt, but it’s called a dhoti ( i know how to wear it, but we wear it sledom, on religious occassions only, everyone in teh world is slowly becomming a westerner, nothing wrong or right about it, just a statement of fact !) . women wear sari. although similar in length ( 9 yards ), dhoti is ususllay white or single colour whereas saari’s are works of art.
imagine a water lily trying to become a rose, because rose sells more, is costlier, whatever ! tragic for lily. at teh same time if that lily just becomes a waterlily in full blossom, it makes a zesus remark ” the grandeur of this lily is more than all the grandeur of King solomon’
so lady cool !
love
aditya
and heart !
by the way i have already solved this age old problem of which came first the hen or egg. and it’s a very scientific explaination. want to know ;-).
love
aditya
Dear Aditya,
Thanks for your insight as always! We really should be a counter culture to work against Western values taking over. Asia/Arabia are so much more esthetically than Americans.
Yes, please give us the scientific explanation of the hen or the egg?????
Love,
Heart
Thank you, Laxmi!
XOXOXO
Hi laxami,
around ?
i am writing a short piece for you, something to do with what we percive as truth, then how we deliver it, specially publically, truth is used many a times as a weapon to ‘cut down someone to size’ but then it’s not truth. more about it soon.
love
aditya
Hi Thelma,
i feel so loved and honoured when u call me a dear freind ! insa allah !
i once read a book, some western author, about 20 years ago, it had compilation of expereinces of about 100 persons from across teh globe who had died and within hours had revived again. doctors had pronounced them dead, but they revived, their expereince of the intervening period was quite fascinating. most were common follks like u and me, and their death expereince was not ‘painful’. more about it if u want to know.
about these life changing inventions by humans; we greatly over project out own importance in shceme of things, nature is smarter than us and it takes care, punitively at times if required
hey that meeting should begin and end with parties !
love
aditya
Where’s the party you Party People!!!! :)
http://www.ghostvillage.com/legends/2003/legends25_08232003.shtml
Dr. Raymond Moody.
MY friend Aditya, I am honoured too to be your friend.
I think the book you are referring to is ‘Life after life’!! I read it when my father was dying and it has helped me a lot. In 2006, I read a book : ‘Journey of Souls’ by Dr. Michael Newton, who goes some steps further. Michael Newton has some interviews in the Google.
Yes if we ever have ‘the meeting’, it is going to be a celebration and party from the start to the end!!!
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Thanks C !!
virtual party seems to be on, real party when Paulo invites us, he is the boss remember !
Thelma,
i should have guessed ! i will try and locate that book, meeting yes ! insaallah ! if wols cannot make it then who can ?
love
aditya
Hi Alexandra !
love u’r courage to go with your inner insticts, even if it means going againt the prevailing current, that is teh ahllmark of a warrior of light.
God will help you to know better, but god asks for only one precondition, without which helping you ( or me or any one else ) becomes a mporal dilema for god too. that is ‘remembrance’. whatever situation we maybe in, if we keep God in our thoughts, godliness in our being, we will be guided.
so true when u say “We really tend to treat bad who is nearer to us, with different excuses” antidote to this tendendency, just remember this line.
love
aditya
and accepting ones contradictions that too !!
love
aditya
yes annie,
no word means exactly the same thing to two diffrent people !
love
aditya
I am a contradiction, indeed, dearest Candie. I want to be as best, but only because I should feel one way is not same to what I really feel. And really, you will try to see here a Gay Parade. No one dare to go to it, because of the extremist fight. And see people talking, relatives. I try to be better, I dont know and I never claIM i HAVE NOTHING IN MYSELF TOP IMPROVE. iS A LIFE TIME WORK, SO, SORRY DEAR, FOR SOMETHINGS i NEED TIME. i AM NOT JOKING ABOUT CONTRADICTION, BECAUSE i AM A COMPLEX PERSONALITY, A fLEGMATIC AND sANGVINE IN THE SAME TIME. u SEE AT TIMES ONE PREVAILS, AT TIMES THE OTHER. i AM FINE , TRYING TO LIVE WITH. mY INTENTIONS ARE ONLY THE BEST, DEAR.THANKS U REPLIED. tHANKS U READ MY COMMENTS. hAVE A NICE TIME.
bY THE WAY, i MANAGED TO HAVE A BLACK BOY FRIEND. tHATS ANOTHER ISSUE. sEE , THIS PERIOD SEEM A PERIOD OF BIG CHANGES IN MY LIFE.
tC
loVE
aLEXANDRA
THANK YOU. I WAS READING ON MAIL THE REPLY, AND WONDERED WHO WROTE THE BEAUTIFUL WISE WORDS. DEAR SAVITA , YOUR STYLE IS GREAT.
LOVE
ALEXANDRA
Dearest Annie, of course, the most famous kiss in the story of humanity, is Judas’ kiss! The betrayal!! The betrayal from the people we love and have given them everything and ‘include’ them into our ‘inner circle’. Because they are those who can hurt us more, being so close and knowing exactly our vulnerability and ‘Achilles’ ankle’. So may we all put on our … armors before going out to ..battle, faith and prayer and …intuition. To ‘know’ whom to trust.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
p.s. There is a book/bestseller made to a T.V. film called ‘Judas was kissing wonderfully’ by Maira Papathanasopoulou, referring to the husbands/Judas!!!!
Haha… Alexandra, I think even God is confused on this subject LOL ;D
:) :) :) LOL Alexandra haha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_P._Cavafy
Cavafy’s sort biography. He was homosexual. This may have pushed him to become the … sensitive, vulnerable soul and write these magnificent poems. The feeling of ‘isolation’ and that he was .. in his way, ‘different’.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
thank you dances with crayons.
Love
Marie-Christine
Yes, Little Einsteins in the making – oh I love this and agree wholeheartedly!!!
Sometimes even words are cages, and so I struggle, always struggle.
I love children and love to watch them at play. They are not bound by words and definitions. That comes later, after being corrected, endlessly. Babies love everything and everyone. Life is an adventure. For example, I see a yellow fruit. Someone tells me, it is a lemon, and the lemon is a fruit, for eating. But a little child won’t accept that. They will take it apart, smear it on their bellies, walk on it, smell it, find out what else it ‘does’. Some babies might like the scent… others, may squish it into the rug.
The lemon is also useful as a stain remover, a laundry booster, useful as a hair brightener, tooth whitener, an air freshener, a refreshing addition to water. So much more than a fruit for eating.
Little Einstein…I will share this with my son, who will apprecicate your kindness, and grin from ear to ear.
Thank you soooooooooooooo much!! Love, Jane : ) xo
The poem I posted, Allen Ginsberg, was also a homosexual, but that was obvious from the poem. There are many, even Rumi is believed to have been.
Thank you for the link Thelma. I enjoy reading Cavafy’s poems.
love
C.
Oh dear Sheela, just like you’re ‘hooked’ I was just about to call the ambulance when the blog went out for a few minutes. Oh am I glad we’re back!! hew!
Glad to have you back Sir!!!
Ok here’s a tribute to the Golden Era, I love it too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVaqXD7ENg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unwngTjd7K4&feature=related
Cinema Paradiso.
A wonderful film, beautiful music and yes a … Homage to the Golden Era.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Thank you Thelma!
love
C.
That’s OK Jane
Stepping out in the jungle …going out for lunch with a friend.
Hope I meet Tarzan too.! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Love XXXXXXXXX :)
Hi Thelma,
Nice to “talk” to you too..
Yes, searching for the TRUTH that is ONE but manifests her self in many faces..
“Man and his symbols” is a very good start toward Jungian thoughts that are sometimes very complex to follow..
I can also suggest, if I may, his autobiography ” Memories, Dreams, Reflections” a very illuminating book..
Wish you great day.
TArek
Perhaps to suggest that none of us our superior, to each other that is..
?
;o)
Dear Paulo,that’s cool,everything is where it should be!Thank you :)
Love
Candie
you bet !
love
aditya
lezah !
God is a prejudice !
yes indeed it is impossible to carry one’s prejudice to pure thought, there it is not needed, inconsequential, there is no place for it. But we are not pure thought on this physical plane of existance, our reality is not soul, it is our body. we feel we are not because we are aware of any soul ( pure thought ! ) that we are, we feel we are because of teh body and also other bodies around us, just imagine how would u ever know that u exist if u alone exist.
from where we stand, God is a prejudice, i don’t know, but i ‘know’ that god is, being a wol is a prejudice. sure prejudices are bad when it affect my beahiour towards someone else adversely. no rules can be acrried to teh sate of pure thought, not even having or not having prejudice. my two cents as an answer to your q 1
love
aditya
Hi Daniel,
Are you thinking of ‘The Five Love Languages’ by Gary Chapman?
Heart
He is a psychoanalyst that founded the Baden Baden clinic.
Had a few discussions with Freud as well I think.
I agree with that quote, I find it the other day on the net.
After I had cancer I felt so much rage inside of me, I could not understand why, Paulo put something about eunuchs.I felt like one and also an androgene.
I have read about the feminine side being called the anima and the other one animus.Tarek, if to be psychologically complete according to Jungian school of analytical psychology,each man has to try to integrate his feminine side (anima) and each woman have to try to integrate her animas as part of their psychological structure, then I must be stable, because I understand what the feminine side and the masculine side is.It is just part of our make-up no?I believe that is what Paulo is saying. We all have our feminine and masculine side in each one of us. (the duality) – Makes sense to me anyhow.
Homosexuality has been going on for centuries, it is something that we want to repress in society.Personally, I believe everybody is entitled to have his/.her place in the sun regardless of their sex preferences. I have held that view long before I came onto that blog.
Thanks for that.
:)
Marie-Christine
oops – sorry must read ” each woman has to try to integrate her animus no animas.”
Hello Marie,
Thank you for your comment!
Yes duality is in each of us!
Even you look to it from a pure biological point of view each man have feminine hormones and each woman have masculine hormones.
what I found interesting is the fact that by getting older males become more feminine and vise versa female become more masculine.
It looks that even biologically maturity is connected by moving toward the other pole…
Tarek
Yes, Tarek I like your point it is a role reversal as you get older.
Daniel pointed this out too – although his was in reverse -in his first relationship he took the feminine side and his second the maculine side with his voice getting deeper and his face getting a “moustache” can’t remember the term he used. He described it very well. The same happens with woman at the time of the menopause.
So, perhaps this is telling us that different relationships bring different roles.
What is the difference between a boy and girl at the time of conception, do you know? Probably not much.
Yes, and it happens at the time when the woman stops being fertile.
How interesting!
Thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it.
:)
Marie-Christine
Hi Tarek,
I posted something , it did not work.
I feel like a little kid in a toyshop Tarek.
Thank you so much for your answer.
When I stand naked in the mirror, I see an androgene. One side is feminine, the other is masculine with a big diagonal scar accross.
Yes, I think you hit the nail right in
Each one of us have feminine hormones and masculine hormones.You said that even biologically maturity is connected by moving towards the other pole.This makes so much sense, at the time of the menopause, a lot of women develop some facial hair, and their voice deepens.
So, we are really following nature, aren’t we? hence the connection.
Daniel, describes this very well except that his occurred in reverse -in his first relationship, he took the feminine side and the second, the masculine side, his voice deepened and he grew a “five o’clock shadow”- how cute-:)
Each one of us must take a role in each relationship we encounter.
Also, what is the difference at the time of conception between a boy and a girl? very little I think.
This is fascinating.
Thanks once again,
Have a nice day, I will
Marie-Christine
ha ha ha
:D
how about what is your risk to follow your dreams?
We shouldn’t put too many subjects I think,let’s stick to one or two,I think it’s best.
I simply use his words as tools, not as weapons!
But that seems so right ! “Everything popular is wrong” almost true !
love
aditya
Namaste Ilva,
A weapon can be a tool under the proper circumstances… and vice versa.
Mr. Wilde was a wit, so I expect his words to be offered in a humorous context. While this verse literally interpreted makes me cringe, when I translate killing with striving to change that which we love from reality to what we imagine our beloved “should be,” then I can understand this quote better. It’s an acknowledged failing of mine, although I strive to accept others as they are. I usually hear the Voice through listening to diversity. If everyone were like me, I’d never learn anything. :-)
Namaste Aditya,
I’m trying to not be that cynical, but point well taken… thus the irony. However considering the tremendous popularity of Sr. Coelho, I have renewed faith in humanity’s desire to grow away from wrong.
like, like ;o)
like like as well :)
c’est une bonne idee Ca.
:)
Good one.
Great one :) Was just reading about this in this book about the Gospel of Thomas, how the bible story of the snake and the apple is totally different in gnostic history, also relating to the woman and her position even up till today. And… anyway; long story, but great subject I think.
Love
Namaste Elaine
i did say ‘almost’, that still small voice, himanity is born with, that voice which if heard can take one to dibvinity, hence that desire will remain always.
Problem with us humans is that we love to be told stories, in a way we never grow up, we are like children with mental age of 13-14 years, tell me something how many people would have read paulo had he not camouflaged his thoughts in a story mode. we humans want to talk and talk and talk, but hardly ever do we want to do anything in that direction, few who do, are here on this site i choose to beleive.
love
aditya
PS : what does Namaste mean.
Namaste Aditya,
Namaste is a Sanskrit term which means “The Divine in me pays homage to the Divine in you.” I borrow bits of various traditions I explore along my path. I have always felt badly that there wasn’t such a greeting, like Shalom in Hebrew, for Americans. Hi just don’t offer the same sensations. :-)
Our perspectives obviously differ. I think we’d all be better off if we were more childlike. I learned a lot about whom I wanted to be from watching my children grow and interact. As Bob Dylan once wrote, “Wherever the children go, I’ll follow them.”
As for stories, well, every scripture is parabolic. that doesn’t make us stupid. Jesus used them all the time to illustrate his concepts because there is no describing heaven in earthly terms. I believe that all art… all Creation… is the Divine transcribed through the medium of the artist.
As for the goodness of humanity, I can’t claim to any corner on the market. I am as I am. I have seen goodness in many places, not just here. In fact I am new to this community. My daughter introduced me to Sr. Coelho’s work on June 2, and I’ve been reading his work since then.
This is a warm community because Sr. Coelho’s work resonates with us, but there are other pockets of beauty spread throughout the world. I reject the notion that I am better than anyone. To me we’re all pieces of the puzzle which make the Will move from concept to action. I may not appreciate some actions, but I strive to have faith in What Will Be.
Thank you for the interesting conversation.
Love to you.
namaste elaine !
thanks u for sharing menaing of namaste and the rest too.
love
aditya
Hi Annie,
once i received a damn interesting ppt forward about stages of life, how a child vews one’s parets, particularly their wisedom as one progresses trough life, when toddlers we feel parets know everything, when grown up we feel they knew nothing, and as we grow old, we realise …. our parents …….. it is a matter of having an open mind.
love
aditya
Thanks Supia ! u are blessed and thanks for sharing your blessing with us !
love
aditya
Btw I am really sorry for my mistakes it is 5 o clock in the morning and I am not wearing my glasses. Touchtyping isn’t always very reliable… Not if I do it anyway…
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