For the Warrior of Light, there is no such thing as an impossible love.
(Manual of the Warrior of Light)
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Es cierto… El amor.. no es imposible solo que mas dificil…hay personas que confunden el amor con enamorarse..
y enamorarse pasa siempre a cada momento con cada cosa y persona..
un atardecer bello…una hoja de un arbol en invierno…
Hay personas que pasan su vida reproduciendo el sentimiento de enamoramiento cada minuto u hora de su vida….
El Amor es algo mas grande… que es mas dificl de aprender…hasta puedes volver mil veces a nacer… para asi… por fin..conocer.. el verdadero amor…
I love this quote! Dear Paulo you always inspire me.
Thank you.
with love
from dallas..
Dear Paul,
My head tells me that you are right, but my heart wants to believe it just the way that Paulo wrote it… implying that even a seemingly “impossible love” might turn into a shared and fully reciprocal experience.
I am just a child, after all, wanting to believe the “impossible” possible – in fact, insisting upon it.
Sincerely,
Savita
There is a saying in French Savita
“Impossible is not French” Im possible
impossible n’est pas francais.
Very nice! Must keep that in mind.
Love,
Savita
What wonderful words! I would like to tattoo them on my arm! Thank you!
with love, Daniel
I agree, Love finds a way – god is love and therefore, nothing is impossible with god!
Thank You Paulo, Love to All, Jane : )
I agree with you, Jane, and I think this is something very important to remember. I try to remind myself of it anytime that I find myself stressing or fretting over love: If it is meant to be – if it be God’s will – then it will be, and nothing will be able to prevent it. And if it is not meant to be, then there is nothing that I can possibly do to force it. Nothing is impossible with God – not even the most unlikely meeting or improbably relationship, not even the most “impossible love” on earth.
Love that one. Thanks. Jojo.
Yes…. and i wonder ….is it possible to love unconditionally…..on earth ?
Namaste Ninni,
This is a question that I have been trying to answer for several years. I not only think it’s possible, but I believe that Love without limits is our natural state of being. The Sicilian/Greek physican and philosopher Empedocles believed that Love was the fifth element which holds the universe together.
An infant has no problem expressing unconditional love. Unfortunately piece by piece the wall of anger from pain unhealed grows around our hearts mortared by fear of more pain to come. Love remains whole and pure however.
To me all love begins with the Self. We love others as a gift to ourselves. I believe in the “Act as if ye have… and … will be granted you” philosophy. Usually it is heard as “Act as if ye have Faith and Faith will be granted you.” Anyone who has tried this knows it’s true. I think the same can be said about Love. That’s the hypothesis from which I try to choose my behaviors anyway.
I believe that we love others as we love ourselves. I think it’s a truism, not something which we can control, not a commandment from on high. If we love ourselves unconditionally, we can love anyone unconditionally. The problem is that we do not love ourselves unconditionally, so we can’t love others unconditionally.
I am currently reading Zahir, and Sr. Coelho uses a concept I read before from Carlos Castenada about forgetting your personal history. In Zahir, he says that, by telling our story, we liberate ourselves from it. I have seen it in action through psychotherapy. I think forgetting our personal history is a key to unconditional love.
I haven’t finished the book yet, so I don’t know if he mentions the other important step and that’s forgiveness. Jesus said we must forgive 7 x 7 times. Seven represents completion in Sacred Numerology, so that doesn’t mean 49 times but completely a complete number of times.
Even as a victim, we must forgive ourselves for whatever we think we did to attract the pain endured. In fact, I found that the most important step in my healing. Forgiveness is an ongoing process, however. Memories of my rash actions which harm others and myself bubble up to the surface when I least expect it and smack me in the ego, so there seems to always be something that I need to forgive.
What I am sure of is that it starts within before it can be expressed without.
Love to you
in other words the more you go “nangu pangu” the better it is.
I am with you all the way Elaine.
Love
Marie-Christine
Namaste Marie-Christine,
It’s nice to know my crazy thoughts are resonating with someone. LOL I had to goggle nangu pangu. This is a new term for me. Thanks for introducing me to it.
Love to you.
Namaste Ninni,
I just finished Zahir which reminded me of a sonnet:
Sonnet 116
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth’s unknown, although his height be taken.
Love’s not Time’s fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle’s compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
William Shakespeare
(1564 – 1616)
You mentioned people who abuse. Well I’ve learned that they generally end up torturing themselves one way or another. I’ve witnessed this with my own torturer. It taught me to forgive him. Hollywood likes to glamorize evil as if it is an entity outside of humanity, but the truth is that victimizers were usually victims at some point. It’s called the cycle of violence.
As a victim, I worked hard to alter my behavior before I could raise my children. In the end, it’s ourselves that we hurt, but we are cowards when it comes to pain so we use others to reflect our pain.
If a madman killed my children, I would definitely mourn. I would have to look within my heart to find a way to heal, so that the rest of my life will not go to waste on vengeance. Vengeance eats a soul alive. I’ve seen that happen as well.
I have an online friend whose son was murdered and she read somewhere about adopting the murderer as her own and pouring her heart out to him. At first he was belligerent and defensive, but eventually it worked. She and the mother of her son’s murderer are now very close friends and support each other through the hard times. I admire her for doing that. I don’t think I have the courage. I would have to find another way to heal.
As for intellect and unconditional love, most of us merely have more capacity for learning than those society called “developmentally disabled,” thus more memory. Memories are a double edged sword. I learned many things from my abuse which I cherish.
I keep this quote on a board above my desk:
A pearl is a beautiful thing that is produced by an injured life. It is the tear [that results] from the injury of the oyster. The treasure of our being in this world is also produced by an injured life. If we had not been wounded, if we had not been injured, then we will not produce the pearl. -S. Heller
A person without the capacity for memory can and does let all pain go as quickly as it came. Life flows through them. In many ways they are blessed. I often think they are here to remind us of what’s inside before the pain changed we who have memory. Some see them as flawed, but I don’t believe that God makes mistakes.
As for manipulating… again a double edged sword. I manipulate myself all the time. My natural tendency is anger and resentment. I am manipulating myself into a loving soul. I may not be able to do it in a lifetime, but I believe I am fulfilling my task in life… I want my personal legend to be one of love.
Love to you
I knew this was true, but it feels so good to hear it from someone else. It is important to be a “system buster” and follow your heart and little by little change the world to a better place – heaven is here and now not there and later.
There is no impossible love, because if there is agape inside the WoL, they see the circumstances, reasons, and people who they are and there are no regrets.
Love,
Liina
The love becomes impossible when we depend of others to receive our love or to give this love back, as a mirror.
For exemple, when we fall in love with someone and he/she doesent care about us. But, i think that fullfils our gaps in such way that we persist on that, and it somehow comes true.
;*
Crazy imagination~~~~~~
If one of us have a warrior of light Paulo Coelho who we all love…? Or, if Paulo Coelho choose one of us…?
Are we possible to bless him and her?
Sorry for using your name without permission & thanks for understanding, my mentor Coelho.
i do agree with you Supia!
Hypothetically speaking, that is a very interesting question. I have heard of many instances where a preacher, a guru (this or that form of spiritual teacher) ran away with some member of his flock, never to be seen or heard from again. And why did these men run away? Because of the jealousy and envy which rendered the rest of the flock unable to extend their blessings.
Of course, Paulo is not a preacher and this is not a church; nonetheless, if such a thing were to occur, it would raise similar issues, I’m sure. The essential question would be the same: if we all say that we love Paulo, would our love be great enough to encompass this individual chosen, or would we reject him outright, declaring that he had committed some unfathomable and unforgivable wrong? (Forget for a moment that he is married, as that is another issue altogether.) The question is: would love win out over jealousy? I wonder….
On the blog, most people write down “All love is possible. Why not?” about this quote.
If we believe “it” from the bottom of our heart, I think we will release each other.
Isn’t it a clear contradiction?
When we love him and believe our belief firmly, is it possible to reject him?
Isn’t it another kind of feeling?
It seems that the essential question is not jealousy but our mind’s real change.
At first I was unsure of what you had written and asking but Savitas answer clarified it a bit.
It is very important to accept things the way they are. Sometimes this is hard, but we do the best we can and deal with it the best we can. ‘God give me the strength to accept the things I cannot change’
If Paulo was to choose one of us and disappear, it would be heartbreaking yes, but I would also understand and try not to be selfish. I would understand that each one of us has a path a personal legend to fulfill and that would make it all the more clearer on where each one of our paths lies.
Of course I would bless him and whoever he was with. You either bless someone, are neutral or curse them. The latter I could never do, I might be neutral for a short while, but I could not be so selfish to hold onto or stop someone or something without letting them live their lives, specially when Paulo Coelho has already given so much of his love and time.
Would You be able to bless him Supia? if you did not, what else could or would you do?
Because the warrior’s love is unconditional
Love
Gabi
My opinion…Homosexuality…It’s a sickness(Like,it has a…Where does it come from?A boy growing up without his father,most likely).(Do not get me wrong!)Like,it’s not normal
BUT:I do not…No,no far from it!I don’t HATE(I don’t even wish to use the word but what can you do about it…) them…No…Let them live.They let us live,we let ‘em…Like they havn’t “harmed” me in any way!
I wish there could be no such thing but if i see,talk…a homosexual…I’m not like O M G(sorry for saying His name)
“LOOK A G**!!!”Sorry about that too.As long,as i’m not forced to live with one(i could manage that,too) in my house,it’s ok to me!It’s a sickness…So i wish them well…I pray for them…Forgive them…(Why should i forgive them You might ask…)
That’s my opinion,sorry if this comment is being confusing but in few words:I do not…”hate” homosexual people…I wish they are well.
I’m just being a 15 years old lad here…Gimme a break:D
Have a good day!
Hi Rasmus !
u’r post got posted here in error, apparently. but let me take this ‘oppertunity’ to say something here about the forum topic, afterall homosexuality is also related or at least resumed to be related to ‘love.
My views on this are almost exactly as yours, so no elaboration required there.
Annie has written in a post towards the bottom that one needs to be true to oneself, very true, even if one has homsosexual tendencies, true, one needs to be true to oneself, but the journey does not end there, in fact being true to oneself is teh beginning of teh journey. Everyone who is born as a human being, fully fucntioning brain with surplus capacity, body of a man or woman ( for the time ebing leat’s leave a big section, enunches ), has a responsibility to not only be true to oneself but continuously try to imrprove oneself, saying that i am made like that is not enough, God has created me like that is not enough, it’s our responsibility to improve ourselves. Everyone is resposnible towards oneself for being a wol, everyone has to be a wol, if u look at respnsibility angle, from angle of freedom, of it’s one is free to choose to be wol or not; but freedom derives it’s legitamacy from responsibility, menaing if one is not fulfilling one’s resposibilities, then one ie not eligible for freedom.
If someone finds that s/he has homosexual tendencies, one needs to look into it, and improve. One cannot let one’s exiatnce be overshadowed by one’s sexuality alone.
Saying that “god made me like that ” is not enough, one has to try and imrprove. all this based on a premise, a prjudice of mine that homsosexuality is a sickness, and it’s ‘victims’ need treatment, of course nothing should be forced. As i said earlier, it is prejudice i carry, don’t see why it should be dropped, accepting homosexuals and accepting homosexuality is like accepting sinners ( which is OK ) and accepting sins (which is not OK ).
love
aditya
PS : would someone summarise the discussion / debate on the forum topic, here, for my benefit.
There is nothing impossible about love
because love is joyful ;o)
There is always a feeling that there is much to learn, from love itself… many lessons
and, with it the feeling one can surmount any problems along the way.
and, if one is finding love impossible, then i think maybe there is too much on one’s plate to deal with. “It is only with the heart that one see’s rightly” … listen to what the heart says. Know when to find strength from within, when to seek it outside. Be honest with yourself that you are doing what YOU want to be doing… then you SHALL only enjoy and find lessons worthwhile, plus have the energy to surmount any challenges.
No, I really believe also that there is no impossible love.
[Ps. Paulo.. is it still impossible to send pictures/images for the blog?]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vCDHFneEs
Love it! Thanks, candieb!
Suphi,
Well, thank for reminding that their is search box in the top of the sidebar. But I tried and no search result came out !
Maybe it was down for a while but I tried again and it worked !
Thanks ! ;)
There is no such thing as an impossible love … If one follows his path, his personal legend, he must not stop at analyzing if that love is possible or impossible, because it has to be.
A Warrior of Light follows his soul, his intuition, and then, if in his mind it tells him that to love that one, be it man or wowan, is impossible, well, he is not following his soul that wishes to unite, be it in friendship, for a time, in intimacy with that other soul. I since a child followed my intuition, was in a constant battle between the rational mind and an irrational part of me. I was always what others called a “rebellious”, a “light head”, “a foolish person”, because following what was inside me and wanting to experiment what that part of me was telling me, because I sensed and felt it was “intelligent” and more free. I was most of the time judged, moralized, had my parents telling their comments, etc, on my choices, hearing what they think would be preferable for me, calling me “emotional, not viewing things in a perspective that was accepted and recognized by society” … I was the kind, and still am the kind, that when I sense the “mission impossible”, or “bad”, “not acceptable”, well that does not stop me. Since a child, I rely on my faith and know that everything is possible, but I understood that not all is good for me.
There is no such thing as impossible love because Love is the fuel, is the price that we are all running for. We view it with human eyes, with human brain, with human flesh for a time, until it grows in another dimension. We cross the line from impossible to possible and to no question of impossible or possible because it is and has to be.
For me today the important thing is being loved by the Source and truly believe in it and truly being touched by it. That is the love that I pursue. I want to be, feel and express that love in my relations, be it with friends or with “enemies”. To love a friend that loves me in return is easy. To love a person that hates me or that I disturb by the energy that emanates from me is the love that I am looking forward to acquire. That is the impossible love of the past that becomes possible day by day. That is the love that Jesus demonstrated and that is the love that the Source shows day by day. So for me, as of today, if I am asked “what is the impossible love” that you wish to make possible, it is to love those who are not aware of the hurt that they do, to love those who wish to silence me, to continue to show love and the power of love. And life makes me practice that aspect by returning in the relation with my husband and going through not stay fixed on his defaults, etc, but being able to see his forces, and to share and share the love of the Source to him, and that love that was impossible in the past grows to possible.
..there is no such thing as an impossible love!
Reading again all our comments a thought has just come into my mind.. If we really love, then we know and can find the way to express it and .. fight for it. Because living in material bodies we do have the need to express our love in the material world. We are not ..pure air.. We are bound in the .. chains that are … sweet chains, I think.. We love being in ‘shape’ and feeling the rays of the Sun and the blue of the sky and the freshness of the Sea. We are humans and all we need is to live to the full and let love flow.. So we must fight for the love we feel, we must dream of fulfilment.. Because we have to taste the cup of life to the full and live alive. There is not shame in feeling love, because we are born to .. love and thank HIM for the … beautiful Journey.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dear swan, beautiful Annie, your words sound like .. music.. You are a poet, of life..
May your …’ boat’ always travel with … joy and finding new adventures and feeling the love and music of the Universe.I am sure that love will guide you always.
Love is what makes us …. fly !! ;-]
I love you so much too.
Mamma Thelma,
xxx.
ya tell me too, how is it like to fly, in fcat take me with you on flights of both kinds hands strectched like superman and hands clutching the broom !
enjoyed redaing your comments hildegarde, nini, annie and thelma.
love
aditya
Dear Thelma,
I just love the way you express yourself… its almost poetic!
Thank you,
love Marielle
Beautiful Thelma, Thank You.
XXX
Oh Thelma! Thank you! You say it so wonderfully. Love is not a choice, it’s what is. I think your words have shown me hell, to live this life denying yourself the beauty of what is every persons inheritance – love!
Lets send an invitation to all: you are hereby invited to know love!
with love,
Daniel
Hi Paul of Austria, Rebecca, Ninni,
I think there is actually no such thing as unconditional love on earth in the normal sense:
The Lover, loves because s/he find their Lover attractive initially(normally!)or some other desire;
The Parent loves their child (hopefully), because they are their child and love them because of this fact;
We do good works because they make us feel good, or that is our calling, which again makes us feel good;
The only imbalance I can see is that we do not love ourselves unconditionally, we punish ourselves, society dictates that we are imperfect (as Paulo’s book WSA shows).
Agape, Agape, Agape
All things are possible
Pandora
XXX
Hi Pandora,
When I say the only way love is impossible is if one partner doesn’t return love, I mean love has to be completely free. We cannot pour and pour love on a person who doesn’t want it. It has to be a mutual pouring back and forth, give and take.
Amor, Amor, Amor
Heart
xxx
Dear Heart
Dante Alighieri known as “the supreme poet” who wrote The Divine Comedy, La Nuova Vita, The Inferno, and who Paulo mentioned in his recent Warrior of Light, was himself a victim of unrequited love.
But that didn’t stop him from being a creative genius, from not loving totally the love of his life or from not influencing how love was perceived from that point on in the western world.
He wrote constantly of Amor, was impassioned and crazed by his love.
Clearly to be loved and loved in return is the ideal in life, but sometimes just to recognise that love is beyond the realms of time and space can be sufficient and can indeed be the ignition to profound spiritual growth, at least that has been my understanding from talking with others who have had a SoulMate experience.
Amor (unrequited or requited) it is true can open the wellspring to the divine.
With lots of love
Pandora
XXX
Dear Pandora,
Dante was so right, it really is a Divine Comedy, to find love and faith with repressive and evil public authorities. A very, very brave man indeed, Dante. Imagine being such a talent and you work isn’t published till after he was dead! With the judgmental society, I really think the solution often is to keep private what the public cannot accept. I just said to my husband the other day, imagine if our dogs will be the ones deciding who will enter heaven or not…all these animal abusers..will get a big surprise hehe. And this was Dantes point too, we are going to get some surprises when we see who is in hell or who is in heaven. Lovers certainly will sail away straight to heaven, where nothing is impossible.
Lots of love to you too :)
Heart
Hi friends !
Heart your comment about pouring more & more love had me visusliasing – drpwning in love, ha ha ha !! the animal abusers are in afor a big surprise anyway, whether dogs are the deciding authority or not, they will see , he he he, and most certainly lovers will go straight to heaven, in fact they alreday are in heaven. and your dvise about keeping private what public cannot accept, is right, no need to take unncessary conflicts, energy is limited, let’s use it constructively.
Pandora, i feel we get introduced to love when that something happens in our being, becuse of the other person, when u want teh very best for your love, when u are willing to sacifice even your whole existance, smilingly, to see a smile on the face of the object of your love. by and by, we recognise that love is actually a state of being. as heart had said above, one cannot go on pouring love on someone if that someone does not want it.
Nini, u’r questions about loving someone enconditionally, set me thiking. even when their is unconitional love in our heart, we may have to put some conditions, we live not in love land but in society with all its plus and minuses. recently i came across two lovers, the chap is a total parasite and he is very convinenetly making the girl work and earn their living, while he himself just lazes around in name of spirituality. i told that friend to dump that lout, a fool ( unless the chap is a monk ) who cannot even earn his bread has no business talking about love. imagine being in love when you have not eaten for 3 days. Love need not always bring comforts, sometimes love makes us put our object of love through grulling, mental and physical both. when in love let’s listen to our heart, if it says make rules make rules, if it says no rules no rules.
love
aditya
Dear Pandora,
You brought an interesting perspective. It’s true despite all the self interest/self protection mechanism inbuilt in us , loving our own self is often quite impossible.
When someone makes a mistake (say a child) we can easily forgive them and love them unconditionally and the mistake is totally forgotten in a few years.
But when I made a mistake, i couldn’t forgive myself even now after many years. Because there is a sense of shame .Eeven when your logical mind says ” you were only 10 years old…how could you know?” …”your awareness was limited at that time” etc. This, i think what causes people to not love oneself.
Any thoughts from dear WOLs on forgiving oneself and loving oneself ?
Dear Aditya and Heart,
I believe it is up to the individual concerned.
I am reading The Pilgrimage at the moment (which I am thoroughly enjoying), and have just read the story that Petrus related to Paulo about Don Suero de Quinones, who was another victim of unrequited love, but went on a private war in order that the women he loved would never forget his name.
So maybe it is not always a case of wasting water,
With love
Pandora
XXX
Hi laxami,
u have raised a very pertinent question ” forgiving oneself and loving oneslf”
just change the sequence, love yourself, see that all that happned, at times we were victms and at other times we victimised others, many things happned, things happned. Segregate your existance in two, one is that which just observes, sort of records everything, we are that obsrever and teh actor, teh player too. Now when u can see, have pity on yourself too, as u have on others; everyone is carrying their cross, u too. Not just have pity,see how much you have gone through, and appreciate that, you have been able to keep your head above water. Be a friend of yourself too, that includes indulgance sometimes., just as u forgive a few mistakes in your freinds , accept your mistakes too, doe not mean we should not inspirse ourselves not to repate te mistakes. acceptance does not mean approval.
all this is theory, now a slight experiment, u will need to do it in about 25-30 minutes, nicely done once, it can purge any negativity by at least 50 %.
be comfortable, may be in a garden, on a pleasant morning. Walking on grass ( if u can manage ) barefoot. just wonder around obsreving your thoughts, after approx 5 minutes, start bringing out all your feeling fo shame, guilt, hurt in front of you. try to remember all that gives you these. not very streneously, just casually. remember as vividly as u can. next 10 minutes, don’t sit, walk casually, just around. now blindfold yourself and keep walking aorund. again 5 minutes for just obsreving the thoughts, next 5-7 minutes instensifying them. These 10 minutes will seem like an hour. just jump around for 1 -2 minutes, beccome bretahless. Hold your breath, gently. stand still close your eyes. Now vsisualise, a havana kunda ( sacread pyre ) in front of you, offer your love to the fire, next summon each husrt one by one, remember vividly and consign it to flames, see the pure grow. visulaise or verbalise what ever hurt. shame. this that, remebre u’r hubby, remember the -ve things he has done, remebre your parents, friends, consign all that to flames and see the flame grow and grow. remember yourself and consign all that unplesantness from past’ to the flames. see teh flames grwo and then slowly subside. feel releived, unburdened. then start thnaking first me because i am tecahing you this excercise ( in case u alreday don’t know it ), then your parents, freinds, finally even enemies, in a way they have helped u grow too. finally thank your body parts for being with u, thank yourself.
well this is what we as group did, and i found quite effective, tears were in eyes of everyone.
tell me if u wish.
love
aditya
Gandhi wrote -
“The Stream which came from the Infinite and flows towards the Finite, that is the Truth, the Good.
Its echo which returns to the Infinite is Beauty and Joy.”
‘If for some reason we distort the True and Good, we become the cause of the return to the Inifinite of pain and sorrow ‘(E.Bellhouse).
[and where last weeks quote was concerned]
‘If we fail to function as we should, we transmit evil, having received Good. ‘ (E.Bellhouse).
………………………
This is why we [maybe just I!] come to this blog… Paulo you send out Truth and Goodness; ["we have a duty to return Beauty and Joy to it" E.B.]
….we get to celebrate Beauty and Joy
;o)
Enjoy the sunshine!
That’s very sweet; thankyou ;o)
” What is your love? because through love you can understand what happens in prayer. Do you love a person — really? Do you love, or does something else exist there? A mutual gratification? When you love a person, do you really love the person? Do you give out of your heart, or do you just exploit the other in the name of love?
You use the other in the name of love. It may be sexual, it may be some other use, but you use the other. And if the other says, “No, don’t use me!” will your love continue to be there, or will it disappear? Then you will say, “What is the use?” If the other appreciates you, if a beautiful woman appreciates you, your ego is fulfilled. A beautiful woman looks up to you and you feel for the first time that you are a man. But if she does not appreciate you, does not look up to you, love disappears. If a beautiful man, a strong man, looks up to you as a beautiful woman, appreciates you continuously, you feel gratified because ego is fulfilled.
This is mutual exploitation — you call it love. And if it creates hell there is no wonder about it; it has to create hell because love is just the name, and under the name something else is hidden.
Love can never create hell, love is the very quality of heaven. If you love you are happy; your happiness will show that you are in love.
But look at lovers: they don’t seem to be happy — only in the beginning when they are just planning, unknowingly, unconsciously throwing nets to catch each other; but their poetry and their romance and all their nonsense is just to catch the other. Once the fish is caught then they are unhappy, then they feel as if they are in a bondage. Each other’s ego becomes a bondage, and both try to dominate and possess each other.
This love becomes condemnation. If your love is wrong your prayer cannot be right, because prayer means love to the whole — and if you have been a failure in love with an ordinary human being, how can you succeed in your love with the divine?
Love is just a step towards prayer; you have to learn. If you can love a human being, you know a secret. The same key is to be used with the divine, millions of times magnified and multiplied of course. The dimension is great but the key remains the same. ‘Love’ means this is the end, and there is no ego in it. When you are egoless there is love. Then you simply give without asking, without any return. You simply give because giving is so beautiful, you share because sharing is so wonderful — then there is no bargain. When there is no bargain, no ego, love flows — then you are not frozen, then you melt.
This melting has to be learned because only then can you pray.
Jesus says to his disciples: IF YOU PRAY — and the emphasis is on you — YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED — he knows his disciples very well — AND IF YOU GIVE ALMS YOU WILL DO EVIL TO YOUR SPIRITS.
Have you ever observed what happens inside you when you give something to a beggar? Is it out of kindness or is it out of ego? If you are alone on the street and a beggar comes you say, “Go away!” — because there is nobody to see what you are doing to the beggar,…. ”
hi freinds thought would share teh above quote with you. the clue as to how much of it is applicable to us, say me depends upon am i really like what is said about ‘u’ in the last para, how much is it applicable ?
love
aditya
Dear Aditya
Do you really believe that we can be egoless in this world? I think to be completely free we have to be dead…. but I am not an expert, just someone who recognises that she has one.
It is interesting what you say about the Beggar, how many people who give a beggar money, say Bless You back? HOw many give without asking…. Some, not all…
I don’t think that love is dependent on being happy or unhappy personally, but I think that Joseph Campbell had it right when he said “Follow your bliss”.
With love
Pandora
Dear Adyta
I can only speak for myself. When I give, I feel free to give, and I give out of love. In the past, I gave out of culpability, because I could not tolerate to see others in need and suffering. I did not give to be seen, that was and is not me. I had to work on that aspect of my life, culpability. I had also to recognize and accept that this person who begs decided to be on that path or was driven on that path, and that I was not responsible for his choice and his path. So, I give when my soul tells me to give, and I do not give when I have to respect my limits of the moment and my own choices in life. Differences are there to make me become the one I am. And many times, I give prayers in silence. That is the greatest gift of all, a soul that prays for the others’ soul.
Dearest Aditya,
We are talking about romantic love, yes? We are talking about commitments, yes? I’m just reading ‘the Bookseller of Kabul’ by the Norwegian author Åsne Seierstad who writes about how it is a taboo in Afghanistan for a woman to long for love. She has to devote her life for the man her male family members choose for her. For a woman in this society meeting love anywhere she happens to be, is indeed impossible love. In my culture we are free to let our hearts decide when there is love in the air, or not. We should do away with all the exploitation where people stay together just as a practical solution, and where love is dead long time ago. If it’s there great, if not, why hold on to some tormenting situation?
Now, my brain cannot stop coming up with these impossible love examples (which I find ridiculous, but… which if you pursue them, you will be punished by society more or less)
A short man cannot fall in love with a tall woman
A doctor cannot have sex with his patient
An uneducated man cannot marry an educated woman
A dying male cannot love a healthy female
A single woman shouldn’t love a man who has children already
An ugly man shouldn’t marry a beautiful woman
All these pre conceptions we carry around, and which society pushes onto us, it certainly makes it hard to find a person to love at all, and many ends up living alone, instead of sharing love with whoever makes your heart dance.
Love and adore you wise man,
Heart
I just was thinking that most of the comments are stressing that one have to love without expectation, give not expecting to get anything back, etc…
I don’t know how many can do that..
I believe that my love to somebody or God or any idea, have to give me beck one thing at least and that is increasing my love to myself, my life, my being..
True love, I believe grows in both directions outward and inward (maybe they are one who knows)..
I love this quote! Thank you for all your love and light Paulo!
love
C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANmPPmfn_M&feature=related
Thanks for the video Ninni, that was So touching!
Dear All,
Indeed, your words are inspiring. It gives me strength when all I want to do is give up on love.
Maria
amen!
love:)
Hi, I’m Adit,
I have a story to tell, I have met this girl for years, since she’s with me in junior high and senior high, and I know that I always like her since the first time I see her. But as a kid, I don’t know what “love” means, till I am now, 28, met her on Facebook, so I tell her why not? I tell her that I like her, and the reply is that she feels the same way…. so here I am waiting for my destiny… waiting wha to do next, btw, she’s a widow. sigh…. how lucky I am.
ciao.
Ah Adit! I like your story, it is the stuff of dreams. I don’t believe there are any accidents in the world. A time to live, a time to die, a time to forget, a time to remember. But love is constant if you know how to look!
All the best with this part of your journey!
With love
Daniel
Dear Paulo,
I love the way these quotes dwell in me and stir my emotions! I think now that if we ACT from a position of love, even when we feel fear or sadness or loneliness, any love is indeed possible. Love transforms me, so I will just let it happen, even if that has to be in the swirl and mire of my emotions. After all, emotions come and go, but love endures.
Will let you know if I feel the same tomorrow! :)
Love love love! Don’t think, Love! Think I can feel a poem coming on!
With love, Daniel
Amen to that!
These words are FULL of wisdom and I “needed” to be re-minded~ (((Thank You))) :0)
This quote reminds me of something Mother Teresa once said, “I have found the paradox, that if you love until it hurts, there can be no more hurt, only more love.” That being said, even love that is unrequited can serve a purpose greater than the pain it might cause. For me, it requires that I look closely at the motivation for loving….is it to love for the sake of loving or to love for what is received in return? Sometimes we give more than we receive…that is a choice…and taking that measure, weighing the difference, seems to be where the hurt comes when it seems that a relationship is not reciprocal. But to love past that for the sake of loving, regardless of what is received…that seems greater somehow. And I agree, Laxmi…if the love is of a spiritual kind, as Tarek said, “A state of being,” there is no limit for what the heart can feel, even if the realities of space and time have some influence on physical expression. Perhaps there is some merit in looking at love in that broader sense.
The Content belong to the Eternity and isn’t changeable,but the Form is fluid.
Dear all,
-”What is impossible and what is possible?
When love is in heart, and only in imagination
Giver are blessed by Universe,
Receivers are honored by Nature,
Love is all what we need to take us further.”
-Nothing is impossible because impossible simply does not mean I M Possible but also means imagining possible.
-”What love is, sex misspelled,
Or,In between legs
What hate is, inner peace
Or,In loneliness
Love is unexpected life long journey,
Throughout which you will find many Honey!,
Just try and move on with your romantic journey.”
-”I don’t want to explain love, nobody could but I am trying to give you the knowledge of how I feel when someone is in love, When I would.”
-” We are nobody when we grow on out of ordinary,
But when we are discovered from all of ordinaries,
We then become somebody, love is in being found
love is in beig cared, love is in being nurtured,
like mother feeding babies, like trees sucking rain
Far deeper in the earth, far deeper in the human soul,
love is not in physical intimacy, love is not in finding differences,
love is love, love is required to move on,
love is when we grow out of ordinary,
impossible or possible, immobile or void,
love remains the same with each and every one of us,
In plants, in animals, in birds, in tables and desk,
In the keyboard which I am typing,
In the computer monitor, which is dancing,
In the begger who is asking,
In the streets crowded in some places and silent in others,
In the volcano eruption, in the anger of mother,
In everything and every non-living things,
Wake up and see, love is everywhere
In the words which are magical, In the books which shows multiple directions,
I must stop now, although love will never stop,
I must stop this poem, although my mind will never stop
To love, To like and To view everything as love,
What is that drives us, what is taht makes us wake up,
what is that makes us move, Come on- you know by now?
Love, only love and only love, So love,
Give love, take love, see love, kiss love, wake up with love,
move on in life with love, nothing is impossible when you have love,
life is love, love is life, and love is in finding love,
Come on please get a sweet delight, Come on,
Smile, smile, I can see you smile, Yes, I can see you smile,
Thank you, love is in smile too, love is in everything you do
Take care, with love, from love and by love,
This is the poem for love, thank you, love love. ”
God blesses you all !
hi love
you seem to be very true
yhings are simpler when you have a tendency to love
i wish all of us dont loose this tendency
and enjoy love with love
Luminita,
Yes, love likes to be shared, you cannot have Santosh to yourself either :)
Love,
Heart
Dear Sheela,
You don’t have to be sorry..,
Well, the problem now with the “Forum” is that there are large number of comments and so many pages to navigate. Maybe Paulo Should help us on this matter.
What do you say Paulo? I have couple simple ideas-
1. Put the Search option in your blog.
2. Make a text box where you can put the ‘number of the page’ you want to visit, rather than clicking on icon.
e.g. If X wants to visit page 7 then X will enter number 7 in your text box and simple press Enter Key.
Well, but these are just simple suggestion, you don’t have to listen to everybody. Right ? ;)
Once again, Thank you Sheela, appreciated ! ;)
God blesses you !
and
God bless you all !
My ex boyfriend was an impossible love ;)
I’m in love with Paulo, but I cannot have him – or can I?
A reader cannot have the author she loves
A royal cannot marry a commoner
A respected citizen cannot love a prostitute
A white European cannot date a black African
A single woman cannot love several men
An unmarried person cannot love a married person
A poor woman cannot marry a rich man
A Muslim cannot love a Christian
A believer cannot share life with an atheist
An old woman cannot make love to a young man
A human being cannot have God
Our love for Paulo is impossible love, or is it?
as for all the lines you wrote, Heart, one question remains:
Why not?
Hi Sheela,
Your very welcome :)
Love and hugs,
Heart
I’m the very love that Heart mention with someone on the other side of earth.
Dear Hildegarde,
Thank you! What a wonderful thing to say. God… am I possessive? :)
I believe any romantic love wants to have? I want to be with I guess, face to face, share EVERYTHING, is my love impure? How can we love something we don’t have at least in our imagination?
Love to you sweet lady,
Heart
xxx
For Love makes all things possible.
Amor Vincit Omnia
Love Conquers All Things
Beautiful.
Your words are beautiful Sheela. I think love is the greatest mystery, and anyone who believes they understand or can control it is is in delusion.
It is an experience, that can only be experienced, never understood.
(even these words don’t come close)
Lots of love
Pandora
XXX
It is what is true to you that counts. XXX
There is an impossible love. Although it doesn’t have to come from within the WoL. It may come out of that other person who may be a mirror. Simply – if a person does not love us back (as a friend, lover, company, family, colleague, etc…), even if we, ourselves, feel love towards them, then, for me, it seems like an impossible love. It will flow somewhere, but then it will stop… the wall emerges.
I am not saying, it’s always a wasted love.
Love coming from within WoL is never impossible. It’s as impossible as a person makes it, in their own head. Are we robots? No… but sometimes we act as it (following the society’s “silly” rules, rules of our peers, etc.), but also – sometimes we don’t have a choice. For example: if I go to a foreign country, I will try to act as it is custom there to act. I am not being a hypocrat, by doing that, but in my own mind, it would be a polite thing to do.
A girl with a brain neurological damage called PCI once said to me something like this: Possible things take time, but impossible takes longer. (Or something like that)
We build ideas in our head, that we cannot achieve something or become something/someone, although it is done by certain fears that we have of us or the world. Sure, we cannot fly on our own if we don’t have wings. I am talking about those things we potentially could do, but our mind is trying to convince us, we can’t.
Impossible love = our dream? :) Nothing so impossible… maybe we just have to have faith…
Love,
L.L.
yes!
because we have the spark of creation within us – we have the gift to achieve miracles, otherwise known … love ;o)
If one sees the Light and endeavours to live in the Light then there is only Love.
But I dont think it is so straightforward….our love can often be for someone who even though returns this love….there cannot be a relationship……then we have tragedy….Can the Warrior of the Light see past this loss of love and still believe in love…He must start his search again….but can never be sure…..he can give love but will he find it….
theres no such thing as an impossible love, there is only unrequited love, which hurts
There is not only unrequited love….there is love which is impossible…..which can end in tragedy…When I was growing up Catholics and Protestants were not allowed to mix…and if two people from two different religions did love each other…their love wasnt allowed. There was no discussion, no relenting…just not allowed…If caught disobeying you could be either shot in kneecaps or tarred and feathered……Chances to run away would have been slim….
with love Angela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmY0dnVa-eM&feature=related
Πόσο σ’ αγαπώ!! Oh how much I love you.
Music by Cypriot Manos Loizos.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dear Thelma, How can you have time for anything but loving with all the beautiful music and art that surrounds you!!!
Love to you beautiful Thelma : )
xx Breda
This is one of the quote I most love.
Even if sometimes I lost faith and try to run away with all my strenght from”unusuall love”, I come to admit sometimes society with all rules are so wrong. In my life the most I had the problem of age differences.
For example my first life mate, was much older than me.
But now I am the attraction for men much younger than me, and is incredible that all I try to make them leave me alone, is of no use. In the end, after seeing that we really agree on mind or physicall level, I think I will accept what life is giving to me.
Hello Alaxandra,
Love is love, what you experienced was probably The Other Paulo speaks about in By The River Piedra I Sat Down and Wept.
Glad to hear you are liberated from it!
xxoo
So true; the word impossible denies the word love; love is one of the most powerful emotions that ever exist and when it really happens no other power can counter it even the threat of death! people died for love isn’t that true!!!
Nothing fails when there is love and there is nothing impossible to achieve.True.
This is kind of abstract for me. Love is simply love. If I look at it from the reverse, “Love is impossible” then it makes no sense at all. Perhaps I should read the Manual of the Warrior of Light!?
Something interesting did just come to me though. I was reading a book on numerology recently and in it certain relationships are described as being in order to “learn about soulmates”. It occurred to me that if someone comes into your life to teach you about love, the relationship you have with that person may of itself be dysfunctional. So even someone who shows you hatred, fear, jealousy or dishonesty can still be seen as showing you the path to love.
I’ll repeat a lesson my girlfriend handed me not so long ago because I think it applies here. She said “Karma won’t look favourably on you for being kind to me at the moment. Try showing kindness to your ex-wife”.
Thank you Luminata.
I still feel love for my ex-wife, but it has moved to something other than romantic love. I spent 12 years with her living loving learning. We parted in anger, but the grief and the pain have subsided and life love and learning keep going on!
Reading in this forum I am beginning to think acting out of love is far more important than feeling love.
With love!
Daniel
.. because we are able to see in every soul the Light.. The Divine spark.
‘We are born to .. love’.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Well Dear Paulo, I guess it all depends on how one understands love.
If we understand love as an ego-centered approach aiming at possessing a person, a material or even spiritual something, then there is impossible love because there is always something that one cannot possess!
But if love is a state of being then it is there all the time and the term impossible does not apply to it..
Or as Ibn arabi says: “Love that has a reason cannot be relied upon”
“Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connait pas.”
see it from the perspective of giving love not taking love and the quote holds true !
love
aditya
Great quote dear Paulo Coelho very inspiring Thank You
Have a nice day
Dear Aditya,
Your right. If you look for a giving point of view or rather a feeling point of view then yes the qoute is true.
Society cannot prevent or even know what love one person is feeling for another unless they openly state it. And even if they prevent it..no one can stop one from thinking or nuturing loving thoughts.
When you say ‘society does not object to any love until sex gets involved’….that’s true. Because now ‘love’ takes on a physical aspect that either is against nature or against the family values.
The impossibility of love exists only in the physical plane. So if the WOL operates in another plane (spiritual) then nothing is impossible indeed!
Love,
Laxmi
HI Annie !
how are you, hope u and your stars are in sync tonight !
society does not object to any kind of love till sex does not get involved, am i right ?
in view of paulo’s quote from manual of wols, do u say that for a wol even homosexual love or traingales etc are not impossible love, what would it mean, a little elaboration may help.
love
aditya
Yes I agree..
The raisons that our raison cannot apprehend are not raisons..
Dear Heart and Paulo,
Well, I have one thing to say-
Most of the times when we are in love, we want to grab it, we want that love to be ours and when you get the thing what we want from love. We loose.
Human nature is driven by love
Then,Wakes up with desire,
Sleeps with intimacy
and Finally, dies with loneliness
So, How can we make impossible possible
Love
Only love
Purly divine and search deep inside,
Those heart which desire only love,
Does not desire HIM or …,
Love is not selfish, love is not in having,
Love is in sharing,
So just love
Unconditionally, Unprecedented,
Without exception, Without ‘want’ or ‘desire’
You will have HIM,
and Paulo is right..,Why not?
to me the only ‘Why not’ is if one partner doesn’t return the love
Ooooh… sigh… :)
(heart melting)
Whatever we believe is possible.
Thank God.
And Paulo for reminding us.
Love
Hi Ninni,
I believe Paulo brings any person to inner freedom and increases our hearts…Singing? Yes. Hehe. The Hell part. No thanks!
Love,
Heart
Oh dearest Paulo Coelho you made me smile and my heart …has melt!!
You have sent your aura and … rays to everyone of us.
Well we speak of AGAPE, of course, because if it was EROS then ‘Eros wants to .. possess!!’ Many complications then…!! ;-]
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. ok. I will add an idea. Is valid for the post on sexuality.
Well, I just remembered that a ” forbidden thing ” is always the more tampting. Is like the apple for Adam and Eve. And we are their heirs. Ohhh, I see now. How can we resist, if they could not? Ha ha ha, see was so simple.
Much love
Alexandra
hey heart take it easy! paulo is right.why not? love is love
@ dearest lil sis,
The clue is to listen only to your own inner voice and close your ears to all those obstacles trying to stop your heart from beating like crazy. I know you too love him. How could we not :)
Hugs,
Heart
Yes, everyone loves him! He is MagickAl!
Ha ha Carolena… Magickal indeed :)
Love
buenos noches
La palabra amor lleva implicito tantos cosas ,que seria imposibler describirlo y entenderlo, lapalabrate quiero o te deseo, o te amo, solo implica que se quiere poseer, algo,
desde mi hulilde opunto devista el amor es puro noble y libre escencialmente ya que no necesita advervio ni predicado el amor es amor, es un verbo que implica una accion hermosa y algo tan hermosos nunca podra ser imposible.
Dear beautiful friend Breda, I am .. in love with .. beauty, light and love and …beautiful souls! I just close my eyes, ears and my whole being in …evil and ugliness, so that I will be able to breath, live and … dream!
Annie, my beautiful swan, there is so much tenderness in this song. I wonder why we, people since we ‘know’ how to see and put beauty in a small song, we tend to … destroy it in our everyday lives ?? ;-]
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dear Santosh,
You can search in the blog : the search box is at the top of the sidebar.
I’ll see what I can do for the comment page numbers.
Thanks for the feedback!
Cheers,
Suphi
Ohhhh, maybe thats why I loved the novel so much. Thanks Carolena, thanks Paulo.
Love
Alexandra
HI Annie !!
ya rather long quote :-))), i ‘know’ you and can see why u would help anyone, not for show off but out of compassion. things which make us feel good about ourself are good, and i see no reason why that type of ego should be looked down upon. if we ignore the specific words and look at the essence of what is being said, egoless and and an extreamly comapssionate stand appear same to me.
love
aditya
Dear Pandora,
i too feel it’s not possible to be entirely egoless, when one follows one’s bliss does not be happy?
love
aditya
HI Jojo,
Not everyone is addresed when “you’ is mentioned in above passage. we are alreday follwoing the advise, perhaps that is why we have the guts to say that yes we are wols. and yes teh greatest gift of all is a oul which prays for others.
love
aditya
Dearest heart,
bang on ! u r right about love and also about society which imposes so many tabboos on us. by and by acceptance is increaisng, society is becomming more open, hope it goes in the right direction, whenever there is a chnage, things can head either way. i hope society changes its views about this real fast ” A single woman should not love a man who has children alreday”.
u and your culture have been showing the way for world to follow, so that people have greater liberty and freedom to be. Afganisatn has adopted the worst of islam, but not long ago, why long ago even now, In Inida too marriages are hardly about love, it’s about families and society, and that becomes a slow poison for soul, caught in a relationship which does not have it’s foundation on love.
there was an interesting story, or was ita poem by someoen of the calibre of rumi, lovers live on opposit side of lake, and meet only once a year for a brief period, although both can see each other. they meet only once a year, because otherwise, too much interaction with the lover starts to take away the romance from their relationship.
love
aditya
Dear Heart,
Here’s some more impossible love and also inappropriate love
A man/woman cannot love(in a sexual manner) a minor child.
A man/woman cannot love (in a sexual manner) an animal.
What to do if one’s soulmate is re-incarnated as an animal ;)
love,
Laxmi
Dearest Heart,
The Rumi poem you are referring to is
“The Importance of Gourdcrafting”
It is about a maidservant and a mistress – no nationality mentioned.
Whatever Rumi wrote how obscure it might sound or seem there is a another meaning…
“Don’t sacrifice your life to your animal-soul!”
“Yes, you saw my pleasure, but you didn’t see the gourd that put a limit on it. You opened your shop before a master taught you the craft.”
With loving kindness,
Satora
Paulo Coelho said it the best: Love simply is!
So many rules, fears and guilt have been imposed throughout the centuries. I hope and it does seem that we, the human species are slowly evolving beyond all these barriers.
Paulo Coelho so lovingly helps with the blog and the topics we get to discuss, opens our minds and our hearts so we can become more accepting of the things and people around us.
Thank you Paulo Coelho!
Love simply is!
love
C.
Aditya wise man,
How interesting to limit access to keep the ‘appetite’ up!
You mention Rumi, and last week I read so many wonderful poems you guys posted by him. By accident though I also read a little story supposedly written by Rumi, about two Afghan women getting it on with a donkey! There goes my limit! I love animals, but have never desired any sexually. That to me is SICK, SICK, SICK.
Ok, here are some more conventions;
A Virgo should not date a Gemini
A party animal cannot love a home buddy
A good girl shouldn’t pick a bad boy
A Democrat must not marry a Republican
A straight woman cannot share house with a gay guy
A prisoner shouldn’t fall in love with a free citizen
A vegetarian cannot share life with a meatlover
… any other?
Love,
Heart
A Virgo should not date a Gemini?
Namaste Heart,
LOL I’m a Gemini who has lived with a Virgo for the past 28 years… Two out of three of our children are Virgos as well. I guess I’m screwed. :-)
Love to you.
Hi heart, i never came across that story by rumi, but it is possible. and C as u said paulo said it best ‘love simple is’, down the ages people have been expereincing and talking about love. we continue.
and heart u’r ‘slap y’r butt’ had me in splits. inspired words ;-) marie chrsitine – hee ha !!
annie, people say so many things, if we are convinced what we are doing is right, let’s just go ahead. be a it marrying an old man, even if it is for money. afetrall money is important in life, ask those who have none ( ask me that is )
love
aditya
Dear Aditya
I don’t think it is as simple as being “happy”, but I leave you with these words from Joseph Campbell:
If you follow your bliss, you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Wherever you are — if you are following your bliss, you are enjoying that refreshment, that life within you, all the time.
* * *
Now, I came to this idea of bliss because in Sanskrit, which is the great spiritual language of the world, there are three terms that represent the brink, the jumping-off place to the ocean of transcendence: sat-chit-ananda. The word “Sat” means being. “Chit” means consciousness. “Ananda” means bliss or rapture. I thought, “I don’t know whether my consciousness is proper consciousness or not; I don’t know whether what I know of my being is my proper being or not; but I do know where my rapture is. So let me hang on to rapture, and that will bring me both my consciousness and my being.” I think it worked.
With love
Pandora
XXX
Dear Aditya
I think you misunderstand me, it is not about catching “anyone”.
From my perspective and experience, a soulmate/soulmates exist, and they are far from just “anyone”.
And my rapture is in my Heart…
With love
Pandora
XXX
Dear Pandora,
Thank you for offering Joseph Campbell’s words: “If you follow your bliss, you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you….” This, I needed very much to hear just at this moment in time.
Many Blessings!
Savita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXJ0MDTI4Q&feature=related
Hildegarde von Bingen
Thank you Hildegarde!! I did not know her. Divine music.
I love you all beautiful people, Pandora, Marielle, Aditya, Sheela, Ninni, Annie, Hildegarde, Carolena, Santosh, Jessica and of course, Paul from Austria and Paula and Suphi and Christina, Rosa, Emilio, Barbara, Jacky, Chrissa, Patricia, Sarah, Marie and Paulo Coelho and all the … bright stars here and in my .. heart.,,
I wonder, dear Paulo Coelho, how can you remember so many names and faces and … auras that you meet in your …. journey??
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Yes, Marielle…Angelic!
Dearest Heart, we are BFF, remember?? ;-]
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Hi Supia,
You have a long distance relationship? Well, don’t let it stop you. Love can do anything, anything at all.
Love,
Heart
Thank Adyta. You know, here, on that part of the blog, is a breath of fresh air. You should see the other part, the forum … I came here to take that energy of love and fraternity. I see my pulsion to attack and defend, the Combative Warrior, but need to stay focused on the Good Fight. And yes I tend to feel that when I read “you” or “us”, it englobes me, and I need many times to take my place. Well, words are important for me, they are weapons that hurt me as a child and I tend to react and to have to make my place, to show my difference, to express and distinguish my soul. With affect, Jojo
Jojo, thanks
yes to express ourselves, everything that happned in our life had a meaning, forgive and meditate. what is happening on that part of teh blog, i am cut off maybe this saturday i will find time to take a look from some other route.
love
aditya
Hee Ha!
:)
You Tube -I say a little prayer for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUyFZUKo6u8
Ugly men with money are not good in bed? You might be surprised lmao
Kisses on yr cheek,
Heart
OK lil sis. Nice song text. Everybody is beautiful in the eyes of the beloved, or at least in the eyes of their mother :)
Blessed night …lil nightowl :)
Almost all of the men I’ve ever loved were somewhat “goofy” looking in a way…which leads me to the conclusion that I must be somewhat “goofy” looking myself. But this is okay, because better to be an ugly duckling in love than a beauty queen alone on the stage. WHO KNOWS what it is that we see in people??? What is on the surface is so thin and fragile.
Hi Laxmi,
Consensual love is the only possibility, a child and animal cannot consent, so to me it’s out of the question :)
Slap yr butt,
Heart
let’s not confuse sex with love !
love
aditya
Buy a nice dog bowl and have his name printed on it, then buy him a crate and teach him how to sleep in it! If there is reincarnation, then maybe there is also karma, and maybe there is a reason that he came back as a dog this time, and you as his master. Love him, yes, pat him on the head every day and say “good boy,” but don’t invite him into your bed.
yes enthusiasm is the outward manifestaion of that inner bliss, have u seen a man sitting perfectly still with hints of bliss and enthusiam on his face.
and pandora u seem to be right, catch hold of any one take it to end and u find all three are there, but what excatly does rapture mean, Ok let me not bother u with this, i will look around.
love
aditya
Hello Adit and Daniel,
Indeed your story is beautiful as are your words Daniel. In all seasons we receive and express love in different ways. Even in marriages our love turns from eros to philos, but it is always present. When we feel lack of love, it is our cue to expand our experience and discover it in new ways. Even as I write these words I understand my own season better. I love a woman, who is my ex girlfriend of 2.5 years. Lets just say I failed miserably in that battle due to my innability to see outside my own needs. But it is through this loss I was opened to a new kind of selfless love. Unconditional love. Now I must love her without the same love in return and for some strange reason I’m FINE with that. She may never take me back, and I don’t even know if I want her back at this point. It may seem pointless or crazy to some. But it is part of the path in my heart, believe me I tried to leave it! I have enthusiasm and strength to go forward in it, against all odds really. I believe this to be a sign. When love beckons, we must follow it, and remember the journey through, is more important than the outcome. Remember the Templar Knight in Paulo’s book “The Pilgrimage” who followed love despite the woman’s lack of return! I’m not saying all people should show love to their ex’s, or to follow love when it is unrequited, but in my case it is God’s way of showing me a selfless love and only He knows what else!
Blessing to all, and may you all follow love when it calls – despite exterior conditions!
Sevander
Yes, I agree, Diego. If we depend on others. If we stand on our own, it doesn’t become impossible. I agree.
Namaste Diego,
But is dependent love really love? I think not.
Love to you.
The next forum will be on Religions, so that gives you a clue to what path that forum took. With what you finish, homosexuality = sin is one that is debated on the other side. I hope that some will have time to summarize for you, because I do not this morning. Here in Montreal it’s 8h00 am and need to go to work. With affection, Jojo
Oh dear, Aditya! I wish there were some way that you could access it. At present – my time here, 11pm Thursday night – there are over 600 comments. It would be very difficult to summarize.
The impression that it gives me – I was thinking this just a little while ago – is of the story of the warriors in the Gita, how they would go out to fight one another on the battle field during the day, fight even to the death, and yet return to camp by night and all (men from both sides) gather around the fire together, as though the whole war were just a play or performance of some sort. In other words, they were enemies on the battlefield, and yet comrades by the camp fire. This week, I have seen this blog split into two similar realms. The forum is the battlefield; this section, “The WOL Community” is the camp to which we return and chat in peace, showing great reverence and respect even for our “enemies.”
It is amazing really, how we can fight so ferociously – fighting the Good Fight, each for what he/she believes in – and yet remain as one unified camp. It is lovely really.
Hope you will find some way to get in there before the battle is over, as it is always such a great pleasure sparring with you.
Much Love,
Savita
Dear Aditya,
I didn’t read much in the ‘homosexual’ forum..but as far as i read..here’s the summary.
- Homosexuals were asking for understanding and saying that there love is as true as any hetrosexual love
-Many are citing the existence of this sexuality in animals and since ancient time to prove that homosexuality is not unnatural
- Some of the posters want everyone to have their freedom and choose to do whatever they want without hurting anyone
-Some raised the point of children and how if two males were to raise a child that the child many be deprived of many things .
-Some say homosexuality can exist and let it exist but not in plain view .
-Some , obviously are predejuiced and don’t find it acceptable.
-some one said people who are homophobic are really afraid of themselves – afraid that they will like such a homo relationship and will lose their manly-ness )
these are not exact copies of the posts but my understanding of what was written.
As for my opinion/thoughts..i have 2 boys and don’t want them to grow up thinking homosexuality is a choice they can make or is acceptable. I want them to think that a sexual relationship should only between a man and woman(preferably a monogamous relationship). And if they love a man, like a friend or someone , they can love them ..but not sexually.
I strongly beleive that everyone has the right to choose their way of life as long it does not harm anyone. But sometimes it harms indirectly by impacting the fabric of the society and confusing young children on what’s acceptable or not.
I think hetrosexuals can and should influence behaviour in children by being a role model. Problem is children see mother and father fighting and not understanding each other.To truly suppress homosexuality(unless it’s a birth defect)we need to build a society where man respects woman and vice versa and aspire and acheive the perfect yin/yang union.
love,
Laxmi
Hi Satora,
Thank you for your help with the meaning of this story. For anyone not familiar with it, let me just go ahead and tell it. It says it’s from ‘Masnavi’ and that Rumi uses sexuality as a warning against blindly following in the footsteps of others.
‘A widow had a donkey which she loved clearly: It carried her where she wanted and always obeyed orders. The donkey was well fed and well looked after. But then the animal sickened and lost all its energy. It lost its appetite too. The widow wondered what was wrong and one night she went to the barn to see if it was sleeping. In the barn she found her maid lying in the hay with the donkey on top of her. This repeated itself every night and the widow got nosy and thought to herself she would like to have a go too. She dismissed her maid and lay down in the hay with the donkey on top of her. When the maid returned she found the widow dead. To her horror she saw that the widow had not done as she did – thread a pumpkin over the donkey’s organ to shorten it before she indulged herself. For her, the maid, the end bit had sufficed.’
Ay ay ay don’t know what more to say about it.
Much love,
Heart
Thank you Sheela and Annie!!You all say so nice words .. Sometimes I feel .. spoilt by all of you and I .. blush!! But I am happy and feel so much love and tenderness for all .. It is as we, all, open our hearts like flowers to the .. sun! We speak and there is no ..distance.. We just listen to ‘our’ music.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Love love so much love, yes only love. There is never any distance, therefore we don’t need to be next to the ones we love. Never, not necessary, there is no distance ever.
There is only LOVE!
Unlimited love to the Warriors of The Light! That have the strength to stay miles and miles away from the ones they love, that don’t need their love next to them. Kudos to all of the WOL’s!
love
C.
I’m not so sure about dependent love. I think I am susceptible to this one. It is a dependence on the feelings around love, which leads to an attachment and fear of loss.
I think detachment is a line you walk though. My son once asked me if I missed him and I replied no, because I was enjoying the moments I had and expected him to be enjoying his beach holiday and thinking of the water and sand, not me. But I realised at the same time that longing is a big part of my journey, and my son’s, and so should not be discounted.
I find I can only achieve this kind of total detachment when I am meditating for at least several hours every day, but in some ways I feel I become less “human” and a bit withdrawn from some of the people around me when I do. Full of light, but casting shadows perhaps?
Fine line to tread I think. For me how I act is most important. If I am attached in love and longing for something, and anxiety comes and fear, these I can not control. But I can still try and act in a loving way rather than a fearful one.
Dear Savita,
Your posts and perspectives are always refreshing to read.
Thanks for sharing the story in the Gita.
Love,
Laxmi
Laxmi
I do agree with you, especially when the weather gets balmy, we tend to really look for some freshness.New perspectives are always welcomed.
Thanking for giving me the opportunity to share my piece with you.
Love
Grace
:)
Maybe I do speak French and just didn’t know it – my heart speaks French anyway, because it is having none of this “impossible” business.
You might want to listen to the Impossible dream then.
You Tube – The Impossible Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?=YihMhfKmBrY
Come on Elvis …do your bit now.
:)
Bless you, my child!
Hey birthday coming up soon… counting now
I hope it’s a good one.
:)
Dearest Carolena,
Why don’t we make a pledge that if one of us gets him, we’ll pass on the bed cloths to the next, so everyone at least can enjoy a little bit of him?
When Pope John Paul II visited Oslo Norway, I actually lived with the nuns living next door to the room where the Pope stayed, later nick named ‘the pope room’. I knew the lady who made his bed, and we had so much fun joking around with how we could all get a part of this sacred man.
To tell you a secret, I later stayed one night in the ‘pope room’ as a very good friend of mine, a priest, smuggled me in there and kept me there, actually for two nights. (And NO, WE DID NOT HAVE INTERCOURSE, as I wouldn’t do that to a man who had vowed to live in celibacy, and yes he might have been gay or bi sexual or whatever, but who cares. And I was never in love with him either. He is a FUN man to be with).
What you say, sounds so SAD. How could Paulo not love one, or the other of us? We are all delicious, right? So, it’s our problem, if WE cannot imagine sharing him, not his?
Carolena, I am indeed thinking about it being your birthday tomorrow, and the feast day of The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and you can believe it or not… when we discussed Fatima… with all my heart I wish for you, he would invite you for your birthday, and for opportunities to spend time with him, undependable of whatever he would do for me (of course I wish to be invited for something too :)), and I am sorry if he didn’t. Shame on him, for letting an opportunity like that pass.
However, Savita points to the obvious truth, that he has been more or less happily married for 30 years, so why would he look to any other women? This is up to each married couple to find an answer to. Myself, I for a long time haven’t believed in twosome’s, as I believe in heaven we are not going to be husbands and wives, but only lovers. Yes I believe in eternal love, but not only to one person. So, I have been completely honest with what I said, and you will notice, MANY bloggers have supported my feelings, and some have been provoked by them.
Dearest Carolena, in the end we will all be Completely Happy, and I want for you tomorrow on your birthday to have no worries what so ever. Enjoy your Birthday, What will be will be…Kesera, sera… hehe.
Again, Happy Birthday,
Heart
I’m happy you like it!
I also wanted to say to you that when reading all your comments on that blog specially on the other side of the blog(yes because over there,it feels like a battlefield and when you come here,on the weekly quote,it feels like a bowl of peace and love),well you give me hope in the future!You,Johanne,Hildegarde,Annie and so many more are the reasons why we need to carry on doing what we are doing,keep on breathing and stand up for what we believe.
To the ones who follow their heart only,I salute you!
Love to all of you!
Candie
Yes Savita!You expressed it so well.It’s exactly how I see things too.Sometimes it was hard to get detached but yes it was kind of a training indeed.
Have a nice weekend
Love
See you next week,for the next topic!HAHA!:D
Candie
Dear Heart,
You always have me rolling on the floor with laughter. Sometimes I am laughing so hard I have tears coming out of my eyes, and my daughter is asking, “What is it, Mom? What’s so funny? Tell me! Tell me!” And I have to say, “It is that Heart again – she is so funny.” I imagine all of us scuffling on the floor over a bed sheet – like a pack of teenagers at a rock concert – until each of us has secured some small scrap of it.
That must have been very exciting – sleeping in the Pope’s room. I had a very strange encounter with the same Pope once, which I will never forget – I think he was trying to tell me something, and it is probably a very good thing that I listened.
I was in Bologna, where I was living with my boyfriend. We were leaving by train for Florence, where his parents lived, for the weekend. On the way to the train station, walking, we started fighting about something (not unusual for us, as we were always fighting), and then he, in response, decided to walk very fast to get far ahead. In turn, I decided to take my time, walking even slower than usual. Eventually, he was completely out of sight up ahead of me. Then, as I neared this major street, which had to be crossed in order to get to the train station, I noticed that there was this massive crowd. I knew that it must have something to do with the Pope, who was in town for a visit, still it didn’t quite dawn on me what was going on. The closer I got to that street, the thicker the crowd was, so I managed to push my way though, but then I saw that it was too late. There was a barrier which had been placed along both sides of the street. This was the street along which the Pope was to pass in his procession, which was already drawing near. I looked across the street to the opposite barricade, and sure enough, there was my boyfriend, staring back at me. And although he had a look on his face which was quite apologetic, there was no way that we could possibly get to one another, nor could I reach the train station until this thing was over. It took quite some time for the procession to pass, and as I stood there, waiting, I thought to myself: Is this supposed to mean something? It just seemed so poignant in a way – we were separated, and by none other than the Pope himself.
In the end, we missed our train, and had to catch a late-night, which went at a snail’s pace. It was on that train ride that I told my boyfriend that I thought we should go our separate ways. In was a very strange day in my life, but at least I got to see the Pope, which I wouldn’t have done otherwise.
And that thing about men who are attractive to other women being even more attractive – I think that Paulo himself mentions something about that in the Zahir. He says that fame is an aphrodisiac, because it makes a woman feel good to know that she has succeeded in attracting the attention of a man who has so many other women to choose from. He also suggests that men are somehow tantalized by the thought that their wives or girlfriends are desired by other men. So, in that regard, I’m sure you’re right – Paulo must be one of the most attractive men on the planet.
Much Love,
Savita
Hi Savita and Annie,
Yes, to be close to Pope John Paul II (I also did touch his back in the crowd, and shook his hand and looked into his eyes during a special Mass) has had a great meaning to my life, and I could indeed write a book about this whole incident. Although, I’m sure many in the diocese would shake in their trousers if they thought I would make public everything I observed (thank you Savita for enjoying my humor). Not in any way to insinuate I found anything at all to criticize this particular pope for. I pretty much regard him as a saint. The room he stayed in was a very simple decorated room, small room with a single bed, and a small bathroom with a shower, and it had an office/library in front of it. As mother Teresa when she visited Norway, she didn’t want to stay in an expensive hotel or have an expensive dinner, she requested those money would be given to the poor instead. Anyway, yes, I cannot but admit, when I showed in the shower where Pope John had showered, and slept in the single bed where he had slept, it mostly made me realize what values this great pope had dedicated himself to. He really lived as he preached in my opinion (this present pope, with him, its a whole other story, I won’t even begin to express my opinion).
Savita, how wonderful to hear you got this moment to be so near to pope John Paul II! I’m not quite sure what this meant to you, but you mention you made a decision to split with your boyfriend. One of the Psalms 84.10 comes to mind; ‘For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand elsewhere’. Of course this is said about being with God.
What you say Annie is very true to. Remember that popular boy in class that all the girls wanted? It goes the other way to. Popular girls get more attention from men. And in many cases this fame is not for the good. Just think about how it ruined Marilyn Monroe, Britney Spears, Madonna and so many more, to be WORSHIPED like Gods/Sex objects.
What we all get from Paulo are his words and pictures of him, and since he ALWAYS appears attractive, whatever he does, yes it’s easy to fall in love with this image, and we can say we love him as a writer, and as a person, but we cannot love him in private, unless he invites us to do so. It is ridiculous to keep fantasizing about any romantic love, that has no touch with reality, and is wasting our time, if these are our motives. However, Paulo encourage us to follow our dreams to the fullest, and we should also our dreams about romantic love. Just don’t get obsessive about it!
Much love back to you,
Savita
PS I am so so sorry to hear about your leg? How are you doing? You know those community clinics for undocumented, poor immigrants..cant you at least visit one of those to get free treatment?
Dear Heart,
Thank you for your concern. My foot is feeling a bit better, though my primary concern is when I get back to cycling. It probably won’t affect me walking, but it is imperative that every bone be in its place in order to cycle efficiently and pain-free.
Those free clinics, we don’t have around here. I used to utilize them in Miami, though. They took everyone, and based payments on income. If a person really had no money, they asked nothing. Here, we have only the hospital emergency room as an option, and because I have taken that route once before, they will not accept me again unless it is truly a life or death situation. I don’t think a broken foot qualifies.
Anyway, if I don’t get to cycle more – I just try to look at it this way, because I think the Universe is always working in our favor, even when we don’t know it – this broken foot might be the very thing that saves me from having a fatal accident somewhere further down the road. In the end, everything is as it should be.
And by the way, maybe you SHOULD write that book. Just write it under a pseudonym.
Much Love!
It is a funny thing, this discussion that we have been having over there on the other side – in the battlefield. It has given me much cause for thought this week, not so much about the subject itself but about debate in general. I think I have learned a great deal just by engaging in this discussion. There are a few topics which I feel so strongly about – homophobia and racism, for example – that I often have a great deal of difficulty discussing these subjects in person, with anyone who appears to be either homophobic or racist. The problem is that I feel so strongly that I am in the right and that they are obviously wrong, that I often end up losing my temper.
The first day that I logged into this discussion this week, I could feel the same demon rising up within me: as I read certain comments, I could actually feel my blood pressure rising, my pulse racing, the adrenaline rushing to my heart. My fingers on the keys as I was typing were actually shaking. This is a very bad thing for a warrior, because any time that one allows one’s opponent to shake them up this much, then they are never able to perform at their best. In short, it is hard to win an argument when you lose your temper and fly off into a rage, because then no one is listening, and you look like a fool. Your brain is so flooded with adrenaline that you can’t think straight, and you become like a warrior who runs into the battlefield wildly swinging his sword, having lost all conformation and composure. Everything you have learned up until that point is in danger of being lost – all technique fades and you are just swinging blindly at anything that moves.
Something very strange happened to me this week, however. The more comments that I read, the more I realized that even many of the people who were in the opposing camp were also fighting The Good Fight – they too were only standing up for what they truly believed in their hearts. Of course, I still think they were wrong, but when I saw this, when I saw that even the “enemy” is fighting because they are trying to do the right thing, I felt myself calm down just a bit. I also saw that some of the people with whom I strongly disagreed were people who were familiar to me, people whose comments I have been reading here for a very long time – people whom I respect and admire. Then everything changed. I was able to enter the “battlefield” in a much more detached manner. Of course I want to get my point across, of course I stand convinced that I am on the right side – otherwise I wouldn’t be on the battlefield at all. Still, I realized that I could easily walk off that battlefield when the battle is over and still respect and admire these same people. Yes, we disagree on this topic, but I can accept that. I can agree to disagree. And yet I do not feel that this attitude renders the battle worthless. It is still worth fighting because it is a battle that needs to be fought. But now I feel that I can have my say – play my part to its fullest – and then walk away, leaving the final outcome up to higher powers.
It is good to fight The Good Fight; it is even better to be able to fight it with a sense of poise and composure, having faith that, in the end, what needs to be will be.
Having said that, I would like to thank Paulo very much for bringing up this topic this week – a debate which initially caused my blood to boil but which served as a sort of training ground, teaching me how to enter a battle which I feel strongly about, without losing myself in the process.
With Much Love,
Savita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3EoHz29guo
The prayer.
Dear Daniel, thank you!!!!
Your Blog is very nice and there are beautiful words there..
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Thanks Jojo,
For me even sins are something to be seen as being result of not knowing better, ignorance, even sins refelct some sort of ‘being unwell’
looking forward to religion, and thanks again.
love
aditya
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