Sexuality and Spirituality. Why sexuality is a taboo for most religions? Why should we repress something that was given by God to us in the name of, we don’t know why? Our conversation this week is about how do you exercise your sexuality in a sacred way, and also to understand why society and religion tends to repress this important part of our lives.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Paulo
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Well I don’t think it should be a taboo, but I think religion directs it to the way where begins to look “lustious” according to their schemes and rules. In our society when a person embraces sex in a very explicit and physical way, then that person is seen as a sexual addict, as something outrageous when in fact God gave us our bodies therefore we should be allowed to enjoy sex either just for a physical crave or spiritual.
Either way God manifest in everything thus leading sex only for physical need or emotional need.
They raise us with this terminology and rules of what is good, bad and really bad and sex is often related to just procreation [man-woman unions] and something extremly unnacceptable and sinthful and disgusting [man-man/woman-woman unions].
Sono andata fuori tema!?! sigh ora riprovo ! , ANCHE se quello che tu chiedi e troppo difficile da capire e poi scrivere , so soltanto che il sesso potrebbe essere paragonato al poter per alcuni paesi , e quindi usato come tale , non per niente il libro della FALLACI ,il “sesso inutile” ci spiega alcuni temi , ma per il resto faro’ come Rossella Ohara in via del vento ,ci pensero domani! ora sta uscendo il sole !ciao
C’ è sempre un perche’uno scrive o pensa di scrivere in fondo serve solo per se , come il poeta che scrive poesie e e scrive solo per se tanto il resto del mondo non capisce !?!?!la spirualita l’hai dentro ; basta fermarsi ad ascorltarla , e che in questo mondo non ci si ferma piu a sentire il propio eco …ma solo quello del potere , e poi magari , trovi ” l’altra parte di te che ti inizia……………” vedi brida, e sei talmente ceco che non vedi neanche l’inizio del viale
Non credo che spirualita e sessualita si fondono , sono due momenti diversi di un cammino ,tanto che quando c’è la spirualita il sesso si annulla grazie ad una forma sovrannaturale che ti fa concentrare soltanto sullo spirito , e nel momento che perdi quell’attimo fatale di estasi, ripionbi nella praticita ‘ di un corpo dinaliato dall’istintivita’ piu brutale !il perche ‘e il come non si sa! ma forse la “sindrome di Stoccolma ” ci puo aiutare a comprendere!
Ora le mie parole ditemi a cosa servono ?, per me contro di me o per tutti?; anche questo è un momento di una persona che sta facendo il suo cammino in un giorno di pioggia , e allora mi cheido: ma se c’era il sole le avrei scritte !?Siamo solo momenti di UNA Creatura sovrannaturale o divina non so , che ha gia deciso ogni momento per ognuno di noi , aveva gia previsto anche i blog o SMS , per farci comunicare la propia spirualita , il resto dl mondo si chiede se è giusto il Nobel per il presedente “cioccolato” ma perche lo dovevano forse dare al BI LADEN !?!? , oppure si sorprendono che gli americani vanno a cercare l’acqua sulla luna ? beh non sapete che gli americani la pagano , l’H20 che arriva a NEw York , mi dicevano, che arriva da migliaia e migliaia di KM sotterranei … adesso la cercano sulla luna , forse costa poco!Ed allora è questo mondo tutto una sorpresa e la nostra CONOSCENZA non dipende da noi , la nostra intelligenza sara’ scolpita dai nostri geni, ma senza INIZIAZIONE DIVINA non siamo nessuno solo un ingranaggio in attesa di OLIO !! OLIo santo! olio Divino! che a volte non capiamo ;eppure ci deve essere una secondo in quel’attimo di frazione di minuto che noi comunichiamo !!!E’ spaventosa la sincronia per cui le cose succedono!!!!!!! ciao
I still had this essay I wrote about sexuality lying around. This is the first part, it goes on to analyse the ancient Greek’s way of handling sex. It’s pretty neat to look at societies whose spiritual base was completely different and to look at how it translates in different rules of sexual engagement.
Sexual and relation ethics was by far the most interesting course I took during my run at the Ghent university, and I wasn’t the only one. The appeal of the word sex was amazing. The first class the aula was overflowing. Later on when the complexity of the matter came to the foreground and not you know hardcore nudity, the number reduced to a meagre thirty to forty students. I liked it and so stopped because well I wasn’t really torn between the history of the Russian economy and this class. Because it was in my opinion a great class.
I took a lot from that course. First and foremost sexual morals offer a great insight into a culture and a society. I’ll start by biting the big one, cultural society what do I mean by it. Culture is according to Berger the whole of ideas, acts and theories humans use to adapt their environment to them as a species. Later one cultural science came to a far more interactive model. Humans interact with their environment and each other and feel the need to organise that so that by cooperation the best survival conditions are created and institutionalised through moral and state law. Moral and state law through the importance of approval from the inhabitants of their leadership evolve in interaction with the people they lead. There are few other constants in human society than evolution, organisation and empowerment. Because of the fundamentality of procreation every historical society or culture had to come up with a set of rules regulating the procreation process, every set of rules had to be enforced with the strongest authority tools available. First the divine, than juridical and finally scientifically the tough decisions were made by the brightest minds any culture could produce and enforced with the greatest authority. It is off course needless to say that some of these cultures were very different than us and well pretty “original” from our point of view as they evolved always along the line of what the most satisfying settlement was for those in power of society. Sex is universal in the sense that every person of the community has an urge to procreate but the individual diversity is so great and because it takes two there is a very important social dimension that there will also always be problems which is probably why the need to get a grip on sexual interaction has been so great and ever present throughout history.
What I wouldn’t touch with a ten thousand feet pole is an attempt at defining sex. It can’t be done, even worse everything related to sex is absolutely horrifying to define or order. A good example is when the American congress tried to define pornography as material that had no artistic merit and causes sexual thoughts. Bill Hicks analysed this as follows. “that is bullshit anything can cause sexual thoughts, we’re males. Guys, you know, you’re on a bus, your jeans are a little tight and suddenly…. Oh my god, I’m getting a woody on a bus. Now we got to ban public transportation.” Face it, it can’t be done, but who cares really. Our forefathers and mothers didn’t, they just regulated it practically and judged the freak cases individually.
Still if you want to talk about sex you need a definition. I’m going to be practical about it in full consideration of the guaranteed imperfection of my definition. For me sex is every act, sensation and or idea that is involved in a process with the orgasm as ultimate goal. But I’m talking about the whole path towards that orgasm and that can take a very long time and include a great number of acts and sensations that are to make it more complicated very personal and intimately connected with the most personal of experiences. I think every person has his own sexual path towards an orgasm, ultimately the primary goal of every sexually tainted act, word or idea. To me marriage, parenthood, a longlasting and happy relationship, a satisfied fetish desire or a better career are secondary goals because they are more intellectual and rational than the first one which is the biological, instinctual goal. This sexual path is off course wrapped up in certain rules imposed by the powers that be in the interest of the whole community. The most important factor here is the dimension of the other, the partner, that has to be balanced out with the personal sexual path. To be Freudian about it, I think that every person through a fusion of born with qualities and the experience of integration into the world develops into a sexual being with very personal desires. These personal desires have to be brought into balance with both the written and unwritten laws of society. If there is a conflict between the personal sexual path and the prewritten sexual path deviancy occurs. There is a pattern throughout history of adding always more rules to the prewritten path and increasing oppressiveness, at least in word, against deviancy. The twentieth century brought about fast interchanging sets of conflicting rules but from juridical point of view there are ever increasingly strict regulations and therewith an increasing number of deviant behaviour. Essential in my opinion when talking about sex is to consider sex as a part of the wider whole of interactions between people. According to so many factors like love, status, beauty, opportunism the form of interaction will change. For this I will mainly focus on the prewritten attitudes towards sex and I will intend to cover a wide range of opinions on the subject. Like I wrote before, it is not possible to define sex exactly, nope that dog don’t hunt.
So in short sexual moral is the total of acts, emotions and thoughts involved in the process of acquiring an orgasm in a primary biological and instinctual view. On a more secondary level a far greater number of interpretations is possible, it is on this secondary level that society and role patterns come into play. Because of the general need for a partner there are rules of behaviour involved and so the personal path a person needs to travel needs to be balanced out with the path of the partner(s) and the prewritten morally approved path by society. In case of conflict we enter the dimension of deviancy, whatever the set of prewritten rules whether permissive or repressive, sexual deviancy is always present.
The Ancient Greeks way of handling Sex? O.K., consider ancient Cornith where the Corinthians had every free expression of Sex and sexuality combined with their Pagan Religion(s) or Rites. Say, the Temple of and the Cult of Aphrodite were there, and Paul wrote his famous 1 Corinthians 13 in direct reply or apologetic to the pagans and the some 1,000 temple prostitutes and their customers! Quite a contrast in Religion, and definitions of what is SACRED!
Boa noite a todos,
bem, eu também concordo que a maioria das religiões reprimem, ou até mesmo repudião o assunto: sexo.
Mas podemos pensar que, se Deus criou um pênis nos homens e uma vagina nas mulheres, era porque ele tinha um objetivo para isso. E será que o objetivo seria meramente para fins de reprodução? Aquela frase bíblica, crescei e multiplicai-vos cai como uma luva para justificar os fins meramente reprodutivos do sexo.
Porém, podemos citar outras passagens bíblicas que falam do sexo como algo prazeroso, como: “Bendita seja a tua fonte, goza com a mulher da tua juventude, corça amorosa, gazela encantadora: seus seios te saciem em todo o tempo, embriaga-te sempre com o seu amor.”
Provérbios 5:18-19
Além disso, as palavras do Pr. Alejandro Bullón, conseguem mostrar uma interpretação mais coerente da beleza do sexo, por um ponto de vista bíblico. São elas: “O sexo é uma das coisas mais belas, puras e sagradas que Deus criou. O sexo é tão puro, tão sagrado para Deus, que no Velho Testamento, quando Ele decidiu identificar um povo como Seu povo, quis que fosse por uma marca. Essa marca não era na cabeça, nem no coração, nem na mão, não, era no órgão sexual masculino. Veja o conceito de santidade que o sexo tem para Deus. No Novo Testamento, quando Ele procura uma figura para ilustrar o tipo de comunhão, de relacionamento puro que quer ter com Sua igreja, Deus usa a figura do relacionamento sexual entre marido e mulher. Portanto, se o sexo é um dom que Deus entregou ao ser humano quando o criou, sexo não pode ser pecado.”
É isso!
Espero que alguém possa traduzir para o inglês esse comentário para ser compartilhado com os demais interessados.
Também espero ter colaborado de alguma forma.
Atenciosamente,
Robson Feitosa
Hey everyone, Robson Feitosa asked for help (he says he coudn’t wright it in English) he has made a good point! You should check what he said using the GOOGLE TRANSLATE, just in case the tool down below can’t do it!
Legal seu comentário prezado Robson!
pedi que usassem o tradutor na barra de ferramentas abaixo, TRANSLATE, mas se não conseguissem que acessassem o GOOGLE TRADUTOR.
Thanks!
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but i really want know whats the opinion of Paulo Coelho in this is.
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I’m not religious to the extent that I am an active believer(I´m brought up in a protestantic society),even though I sometimes pray. Something/some one gave us the ability to feel sexual pleasure. For me, that is something i value a lot. When i experience this kind of pleasure together with a person who honestly can look me in my eyes during a sexual intercourse, I can feel some kind of intense sexual energy that kan keep me going in some kind of trance.
Not so long ago, I met a man. Along with him have I seen something in me that somehow led me to become aware of all things around me. You could say that my sexual energy has led me to discover the spiritual.
For some, this may sound stupid, but I never feel so alive as I do during having sex.
Sexuality and Spirituality are two different words for the same thing!
Wow, I like that thought! It just came to me!
Just adding:
Why is the taboo on it all about?!
just because of the third word that goes with sexuality and spirituality the same way:
Intimacy.
That’s what God is all about.
I think if you put the right intention and the right aim for sexuality, it can be considered as sacred; if you’re aim is to procreate righteous souls, then that’s the right aim, but if you aim for fulfilling your egoistic libido or lust, that is not the right aim.
Well, it may sound primitive, but I think love is what makes sex sacred. When love is present, time dissapears, and there’s only continuous joy and selebration.
I think you are right that sex without love is only lust and nothing but with love it is sacrred
Paulo – the BEST!
I love you…
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I have never read something like this :)
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How did you get this information friend ??I dint read it anywhere else LOL
Thanks.
Entren en mi sitio, descarguen mi libro yo tambien soy escritora, creo que les gustara , es super interesante!! … Y admiro a Paul Cohelo!!
cual es tu libro? sitio?
la società non è Dio. La religione è una interpretazione della società su quello che presume di capire dal Suo insegnamento e in funzione di queste supposizioni formula delle regole a volte impossibili da seguire e la sessualità ne è un esempio. Se Dio è veramente amore, se con l’unione sessuale ci ha dato l’opportunità di procreare, cosa c’e di profano nel manifestare i nostri sentimenti unendo i nostri corpi con la spiritualità della passione dell’amore?
el sexo es una manera de comunicación que tenemos con los demás mediante el amor y ala vez de alguna manera despierta algo interior en nosotros de modo que sexualidad y espiritualidad están muy ligados a pesar de la religiosidad y las represiones, estas represiones van en contra del espíritu de cada ser, pero el sexo es sagrado!!!!
PARA MI AMBAS ESTÁN LIGADAS A LA INTIMIDAD DEL SER HUMANO… LA SEXUALIDAD SE LIGA CON LA ESPIRITUALIDAD… ENTONCES PIENSO QUE SI DE SEXUALIDAD SOLO SE TRATARA, PENSARÍA EN EL HEDONISMO.
SATISFACER SOLO LA SEXUALIDAD, PUEDE PRODUCIR UNA ALEGRIA PASAJERA…ALGO QUE SE OLVIDA… PERO POCO A POCO PROVOCARÍA QUE UNO CAYERA EN SOLEDAD… PERO SI SE COMBINA CON LA ESPIRITUALIDAD Y MÁS AÚN CON EL AMOR, ENTONCES HABLARÍA DE UNA VERDADERA COMUNIÓN DE ALMAS…
Because our master is spirit, you can withdraw sex that is satisfacted with your body with money, but cannot draw out sex that is satisfacted with your soul with money.
The fundament of all religion is based on spirituality.
So, the originators of religion already know the meaning of source of the power.
Dear Paulo,
When God created Adam and Eve the first loving pair of mankind has been the taboo of all religion…and with sex….the creation of all mankind….their existance…has been blessed by GOD Himself.God said’be loved and multiply !”Sex has been a mystery in its own way…with it God has gifted it to Adam and Eve in its own special way in which has been practise all through the generations and we are now are part of that generation until the end of time.on the day Adam has been breath in into his body…you called a soul..it is already been there.. an abstract spiritually of love and desire.A tiny sprinkled of light from the Sacred Chamber of His holy Grace the only prized given to adam to bring with him into this world…the Glory of Sex..!with all its mysterious joy.happiness and contentment..a marriage of two souls..lost in the world of paradise…!!In creature and insects it is the natural instincts but in men and women all it is called with true love..!or otherwise…!
From Lela Amina Jamal
“your silent parts, the parts the birds love, I know there’s such a place”
Interpol
FAITH and SEXUALITY are both part of INTIMACY.
No external force – including religion – can force anything on it.
Andras, thank you for your post. Absolutely in agreement with you! The freedom of live our personal commitments respecting oneself and others.
Light & Love,
The reason why sex is a taboo in most religions is because of the immense spiritual power that it carries. Taboo means a Sacred Secret. This is not a repression but Protection. This power has to remain a secret because it is so strong and so lasting that carries enough Creative Energy to make a human being out of one tiny cell and place a Soul into Physical Existence. However this power is not understood and most often misguided and misused by the people who not spiritually mature. We can see plenty of the evidence of this in the society, both historically and now. When this power is misused, it has very drastic consequences for the Soul that lives in that Body and becomes the actual repression known as the boundary of Control which prevents Self-Realization. On the other hand by Awakening of the Sexual Energy through the proper Intention such as Love and Liberation we can attain the complete Union with the Creative Spirit of the Universe. That is the true Enlightenment of a Human Being. Peace.
True!
When you posed the question, sacred, what comes to mind is innocence and trust! Sex with another human being should be like a journey of discovery, a refuge, a place of rejuvination, at least that’s what I think.
THE GARDEN OF LOVES BLISS
The intoxicating fragrance of desire
awoke to fingers
gently raining down
her charged flesh
like a tropical storm
on a hot Tahitian night
his lips planted
pieces of the sun
through the garden
of her sensual wants
his tongue moistened
the hidden depths of her being
like morning dew
giving life in the desert of love
carrying her to aqua seas
that melt into skies
soaring through her body
sending waves of ecstasy
poppies dancing on a beach
the pathway to her heart
strewn with weeds of misuse
spread open like rose petals to the sun
Thoughts, feelings, rendered the air thunderous
guilt, fear, screamed stop
passion, want, pleaded on all fours, for more
caught in a kaleidoscope of emotional colors
her mind and body swirled and twirled
colors of joy and fear
danced like a meteor shower.
imprisoned by her past
she fought to escape
strangled by vines of deceit
she held on dearly to that seed of innocence
protected by some strange act of faith and trust
the kaleidoscope swirled and twirled and twirled
she screamed
piercing the static of night
drenched in desire
then frozen in fear
like a bird spiraling in a thermal
she swirled and twirled and twirled
finding her trembling hand
he pulled her into his embrace
gently unraveling the vines
wrapping her in jasmine, lavender and lace
the kaleidoscope exploded in a rainbow of flowers
opening the garden gate
a path of jewels led
to that sacred place
where the seed of innocence was planted
amid the flowers of faith and trust
in their garden of bliss and love
NICOLETTE
I loved the poem, who is the author?
Nicolette I enjoyed reading your beautiful poem! Thank you for sharing it. Love, Jane : )
Beautiful! *saving it*
Beautiful poem Nicolette, very alive and vivid with color!!
xxoo
I love the poem, Nicolette!
intoxicating! Thank you.
Dear Paulo and friends,
this week the forum was very interesting with all the posts about the sacredness of sex…Personally, I feel that it is “sacredness” what is missing in most sexual “encounters” today…
There is one song I was listening to all week while I was reading the posts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83OIx5lwhY0
this is Jeff Buckley version with lyrics
The following are the original lyrics of 1984 version by Leonard Cohen
Now I’ve heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don’t really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah
Hallelujah
You say I took the name in vain
I don’t even know the name
But if I did, well really, what’s it to you?
There’s a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn’t matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah
I did my best, it wasn’t much
I couldn’t feel, so I tried to touch
I’ve told the truth, I didn’t come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I’ll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah
With loving kindness,
Satora
I think that most religions err on the side of conservatism knowing the beauty and power of sex. Too many people don’t know how to handle it well. In that sense, they are protecting a gift by God to us humans. Being that organized religions are run by imperfect custodians sometimes the wrong message is sent or is taught in such a way that people view sex negatively.
I think there is something in the story of Adam and Eve being naked in Paradise. They only realized their nakedness when they lost their innocence.
my favorite is the John Cale version :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOZLQ3d1FI
Hello
i was about to sign off for this week…
but logging into yahoomail i was reminded of a strange duality
and so decided to post this link here to share…
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090927/twl-man-marries-four-women-at-the-same-t-41f21e0.html
is it too late to discuss pologymy?!
;o)
Hee ah!
Interesting… this goes to show that everything, even ‘normality’ is relative, in this case, to what is accepted…
xxoo
Such a great discussion, really enjoy everyone’s input. Am now in fact struggling with this very issue, inside me, in my life, in my home…with a Brazilian male younger than me & “Evangelist”…I love this guy but must admit that life is too short to put up with the still-popular double standards…To be true to my soul, my inspiration, my life, I must continue to explore pleasure & desire with enough light-heartedness to be able to let go of the past…as we all know here the present becomes the past rather quickly sometimes, and practical issues become too present to see the necessity of following one’s heart – life in the big city – as Stevie Wonder sings – living just enough for the city!
Am feeling better about my predicament thanks to reading all y’all’s writings, will do my best to communicate with compassion – it’s been a long road with plenty obstacles from within & without, but in one moment after a most remarkable night of pleasure I felt I had to go walk in the forest by myself & speak with my very soul, I made a promise that I’d do my best to cast off the heavy sorrows I carry to follow my heart anywhere – got detoured for a few years but lately I pray to my angels that I’ll do my best to give myself the best life possible.
It has occurred to me that I truly needed to seek pleasure in order to deal with the deep pain I’ve had, to stay balanced … Spirituality is about listening, sensuality is about receiving, and it’s all sacred in the end, I give thanks for this safe place to express myself which makes me feel more calm, less isolated, able to go on …
Someone once told me that when your heart breaks it actually opens & becomes stronger, able to love more… feels true
Paulo, sir:
What calls more attention to yourself that sensuality? Religion is like a mortal equilibrium that takes its lead from God or his Word or His returned response to a prayer, if done well (in my thinking). What would God say about being showy and sensual? Maybe God created sexuality for a man and a women and gifted it with secrecy and sacredness between them on this matter. If your sexual climax and arousal become common and known to the several people you have feelings for, or further, to all those around you – then intimacy and sexuality mean what? Could it be that religions tries to provide some guidance to this magical tightrope that society, on the other hand, sells on the open market. Society’s sexuality in it’s music and its airwaves and its temperal one-night-standedness do not strike me as repressed regarding this important expression. And, it is interesting to me, if I understand you to say that society and religion are aligned on this significant matter, because it seems to me they are juxtaposed for good reason.
Sorry for the long answer, but to give credence to your thought I would say IF GOD has impressioned you that before Him he desires you to respond in sensualness, it would be in the emotion that goes upward in your purest moments when you have cleared your heart of malice and hate concerning of those folks and things around you and after you have discarded the cell phone, internet, it would be a bare-bodied, uncluttered moment with Him – but I would think even that would be in private. I can’t say I’ve ever I would be worthy of this type of expression.
You raise an interesting question, indeed. Susan
Religion allows you to explore sexuality in its fullest form with dignity in its entirety. Along with safety and security, often there arent many inhibitions and this is provides an open platform to be free with someone you love and trust. We need to educate our spouses to explore this with their partners to preserve the sanctity of marriage.
wow – im impressed that you believe that there are no conflicts…
there’s hope in this at least ;o)
thanks!
Zahira, I do not agree with what you say. Take it rather well but the side ” education of marriage ” give me problem! I’m not married but I can assure you who I saw with sincerity and fairness with my boy friend. As regards the sacrament of marriage, it seems to me that it’s a commitment in front of God! In France, there’s the civil marriage which represents commitment in front of the men.
There’s not miracle…only of men of goodwill! There’s not the unique truth in sacred…only the soul of the world which speaks to you to…you’re unique!
Light & Love,
It may be connected to an interpretation of the ‘fruit of the tree of knowledge, of good and evil’ etc.!
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Dear Unstranger, how shall we connect and interpreter the buildings and cars with the tree of knowledge and the.. forbidden fruit???
Nice photo; where is it??
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Fish of steel lattice – architect Frank O. Gehry (Gehry’s Peix)! Barcelona??? I LOVE Barcelona! :)
Dear Unstranger,
Thanks for visiting Paulo’s Blog!
If I’m right, this sculpture were placed on Barcelona’s waterfront for the 1992 Olympics.
I do like your video! Simply GREAT interpretation!
GOOD and EVIL – you say? Good = fish + water. EVIL = buildings + etc. (material world). Fish —- food for soul. Isn’t there any restaurant? :D
Love,
Ilva
Religions put rules which serve to control people, sex is a taboo to force to people to procreate for incresed the poblation, it ñwas very importan in other times when a lot of people dies and people was necesary to work and figh again other countryes.
Sorry for my way of explesion, some day i’ll get better, i hope ñyou’ll get the mesage. Bye.
There have been several occasions in life when a young pregnant woman has asked me as a mother of three what its like to give birth-well all the words in all the world won’t explain what childbirth is like-words for most us fall short of being able to articulate the emotion,the passion ,the pain,the joy,like sexuality,like spirituality,like the big milestones of experiance…such as grief.Perhaps that’s why we love those that give feelings words,like paulo,like kahlil gibran,like shakespeare…..as a child i had and still have manymen who have been sent into wars,I had no understanding,’til i read Dulce et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori by Wilfred Owen-….I suppose all i’m trying to say is for me sexuality and spirituality are things I feel rather than things I am capable of explaining .
I grew up being told sex and sexuality were “wrong”. It took me many years to overcome this way of thinking. For me, I now dont see it as a “dirty” or “wrong” thing but a loving sacred act. The most important part is the sensuality.
Thank You Paulo, for inviting us to discuss this sexuality and spirituality.
Many thoughts coming to mind just now. I look at repression, oppression and equality as reality and also, a metaphor. Asking myself, when new information comes to light, how do I react? What I want to do, is embrace any new light because it adds more depth to the bigger picture! Also, exploring the history of myths and legends as best I can, so as not to repeat hard feelings, to better understand how this all works in my own life. How I can become more compassionate toward others?. So I want to keep an open heart and mind while learning and find it all exciting! I am and have a spiritual nature whether the ‘correct’ verbage is used, or not. What matters a lot to me, is that there is a loving purpose in all that I do.
Asking: How do I embrace equality – my own spiritual nature, without abusing this power, or perhaps using information to justify personal anger issues? Do I accept equal importance, without later, adopting an attitude of being superior or oppressive to another? How can I learn to love better and become more tolerant and patient? Trying at the same time, to be even more forgiving also, just as others forgive when I make mistakes or create misunderstandings due to personal ignorance or bias.
In my home was the joy of 3 little bundles to love. What I remember is that they explored their own bodies with wonder, awe, and delight. They began to ask questions, each in their own way regarding bodies and sexuality, between the ages of 5 and 7.
So it was important to answer questions as simply, directly, and keep the door open for what would follow as they grew into their own sexuality. I’m thankful for the school’s input too, because there are children that have no one close or perhaps, that they feel comfortable enough, to talk with. The school was up against certain odds, trying to please the masses of various belief systems; where as at home, felt free to share according to each individual child’s interest at any given time. As each was ready and falling in love, held myself accountable to do my very best, providing information they needed about protection and prevention, before exploring. It was important for them to enjoy without guilt or shame and play it safe. From there, they make their own decisions, also.
Much Love to All, Jane : ) xo
I try to be fully present with my partner. Society and religion want to stay between us and God/Mother/Father/Universe/Cosmos and make us think that God isn’t fully accessible without the Church. Society wants to perpetuate the illusion that it, and not we, is real. Nothing is more real, present, and authentic than sex with someone that you can be fully present for and who can be fully present for you, and that is why I think that sex in the context I defined is sacred–church or no church, taboos or no taboos.
Right, in the end is our decision.
yes…
and society i feel, uses humilation or the issues surrounding nudity, exposure, revealing oneself… as ways to ensure that ‘it’ is maintained, rather than the individual freedoms.
what ever happened to self-determination or, the belief in the goodness and power of the individual to make the ‘right’ decision without coercion?! ;o)
Yes, Sex is given by God. And Sex is very important for life.
But I think, that desire has nothing to do with love. People who I do really love, I do never desire. I take care not to posses. And I let them go.
Making Sex is mainly to reproduce live. Sex for Fun may be dangerous for social communities.
May be, if we repress this strong disire, it enlightend us to reach a higher spirit ? That makes the difference between human life and the animal beeing.
It is so true what u say about love Helmut. When you love the ones that surrounds you, you can’t help it but respecting them.
But there is one thing which I don’t agree with you. I think thet there is a difference between loving and falling in love.
In both cases we put our heart and soul, and we feel like wanting to respect and take care of them, but when you fall in love you feel the need to be part of that person. Passion in this case became something more than a simple desire for the “one’s” body.
I found this piece by Rilke many years ago, why religion has made sex taboo, because perhaps sex has a stronger hold, I don’t know, it doesn’t require faith, that there is a God, it can bring you in touch with God, if understood like Rilke.
Sex is difficult; yes. But they are difficult things with which we have been charged; almost everything serious is difficult, and everything is serious. If you only recognize this and manage, out of yourself, out of your own nature and ways, out of your own experience and childhood and strength to achieve a relation to sex wholly your own (not influenced by convention and custom), then you need no longer be afraid of losing yourself and becoming unworthy of your best possession.
Physical pleasure is a sensual experience no different from pure seeing or the pure sensation with which a fine fruit fills the tongue; it is a great unending experience, which is given us, a knowing of the world, the fullness and the glory of all knowing. And not our acceptance of it is bad; the bad thing is that most people misuse and squander this experience and apply it as a stimulant at the tired spots of their lives and as distraction instead of a rallying toward exalted moments. Men have made even eating into something else: want on the one hand, superfluity upon the other, have dimmed the distinctness of this need, and all the deep, simple necessities in which life renews itself have become similarly dulled. But the individual can clarify them for himself and live them clearly (and if not the individual, who is too dependent, then at least the solitary man). He can remember that all beauty in animals and plants is a quiet enduring form of love and longing, and he can see animals, as he sees plants, patiently and willingly uniting and increasing and growing, not out of physical delight, not out of physical suffering, but bowing to necessities that are greater than pleasure and pain and more powerful than will and withstanding. O that man might take this secret, of which the world is full even to its littlest things, more humbly to himself and bear it, endure it, more seriously and feel how terribly difficult it is, instead of taking it lightly. That he might be more reverent toward his fruitfulness, which is but one, whether it seems mental or physical; for intellectual creation too springs from the physical, is of one nature with it and only like a gentler, more ecstatic and more everlasting repetition of physical delight. “The thought of being creator, of procreating, of making” is nothing without its continuous great confirmation and realization in the world, nothing without the thousand fold concordance from things and animals—and enjoyment of it is so indescribably beautiful and rich only because it is full of inherited memories of the begetting and the bearing of millions. In one creative thought a thousand forgotten nights of love revive, filling it with sublimity and exaltation. And those who come together in the night and are entwined in rocking delight do an earnest work and gather sweet nesses, gather depth and strength for the song of some coming poet, who will arise to speak of ecstasies beyond telling.
And perhaps the sexes are more related than we think, and the great renewal of the world will perhaps consist in this, that man and maid, freed of all false feelings and reluctances, will seek each other not as opposites but as brother and sister, as neighbors, and will come together as human beings, in order simply, seriously and patiently to bear in common the difficult sex that has been laid upon them.
Rainer Maria Rilke
i like this.
Nice.
Rainer Maria Rilke makes some very interesting points which are very well presented.
Thank you, Nicolette
Great text. From a great author.
it’s beautiful, makes me think of William Blake sort of.
this reminds me of something my mother said…
of how the mystery surrounding women and their power… such that they alone are life givers [through pregnancy/motherhood]… is what drives many to diminish their rights, so to control their ‘power’ which might be feared by these others.
when things are not understood.. often reaction of people is to fear and try to ostracise or control….
Sexuality, spirituality and sensuality, the three s’s! Why is it that there are those that are more sensual, sensuality has nothing to do with looks, some very beautiful people are not at all sensual looking! I believe sensuality is a connection to ones sexuality and spirituality, that life should be lived on a more sensual level, not fearing one’s sexuality combined with spirituality.
Being a woman who’s been told by her male friends how animalistic men are, that all they want is sex, that one woman is like another, that they’ll lie cheat and steal for it! How many times have I heard from men, men are just pigs, such a cop out I tell them! The discovery of ones sensuality through sexuality and spirtituality, is the perspective I come from, but am told that many males haven’t a clue about. If what my male friends say is true for, let’s say 75% of the male population, then I can understand why religion makes sex a taboo. Think of the 60′s and the permissive sexual attitude, then along came AID’s and the fear of dying because of sex, changed that. As I’m writing I think back to my trip to Africa, by myself, prior to going asking myself could I handle being raped, because still in many parts of Africa, woman are not respected, are used as sexual objects. I knew that was something I couldn’t be totally naive about, rape. So does religion make sex a taboo because of sex or because of how mankind has abused sex? Then there’s the division of property, which is why I understand that Catholic priests cannot marry, because the Church wanted to keep it’s assets. What comes from man’s manipulation and what comes from purity?
“In the arithmetic of love, one plus one equals everything, and two minus one equals nothing.”
Jean Paul Satre
Actually I have made a mistake (wiser to be sure), this is by Mignon McLaughlin
Jean Paul Satre quote reads:
“In Love, one and one are one”
Similar, but not the same!
;-D
I just had a thought this morning over tea, whilst chatting with my ma about a book she’s reading, The Making of the West…
regarding how breast-feeding in public is probably so objected to, because men can’t bear that their beloved sexual object – the breast – actually having such a practical connection. Thus it is a taboo to breastfeed in public… by stigmitising the breast as anything than other than a sexual toy.
Anyway, the book also raised some interesting points on religion, women and power.
So i’ll paraphrase them here ;o)
the withcraft trials of the 16th and 17th centuries in Europe and North America persecuted accused witches… who overwhelmingly were female [80% of 100,000 trials].
However, before 1400, witchcraft trials were not only rare, but nearly 50% accused were men.
The elements used and even documented as a book, for detecting a witch – published in 1486 – told of orgies, incest, homosexuality and cannibalism …. in which “women acted as devil’s sexual slaves”.
The Making of the West describes how “social factors help explain the prominence of womena mong the accused.” That the “poorest and most socially marginal people in most communities were elderly and spinster women.”
Since this was a time where there was spread of reform, both Catholic and Protestant… especially in the German lands of the Holy Roman Empire.. [epicentre of Thirty years war]..
it was thought that those women more “likely to hanker after revenge on those most fortunate” and so “they were singled out as witches.”
………..
even today, we are wary of advice from older women who are not married or surviving without a man… as if they must have lost their rationality and reason. we deny these women rights of dignity and intelligence.
and so it is with young women… allowed no freedoms to be cemented until they are far beyond the point where they can or realise to do something about their circumstances.
………..
on the world stage, there continues a poor representation of the woman in public agenda…
for example, white european ladies seen as ‘easy’ or whores.. but then contact and experience of social contact with women would have been marred and blurred by knowledge of business visitors to Europe who would have engaged in ‘easy’ prostitution…
this image of woman as the slave, rather than equal is still equipped in social media and agendas…
the woman’s body something to be owned… rather than something a woman possesses herself!
Hi Catherine,
This is an interesting post. Here in Australia our government recently held a vote regarding breast feeding in public, and it has been deemed acceptable, but at the time I thought it odd that it even needed to be discussed.
As a very general statement, I think maybe men are innately more insecure about their own sexual power than women are (in general), and the easiest and perhaps most common way to deal with insecurity is to try and give it to someone else.
Social stereotyping is something you have to guard against all the time I believe. It is a slightly strange example, but your comment about older women being denied rights of dignity and intelligence reminded me of an incident not so long ago. I come from Melbourne where there is a big coffee drinking culture, and there is an image of young male baristas making perfect coffee in trendy cafes. I recently moved to a smaller city about an hour away, and on my first day here I went looking for a cafe. I walked past one that served my favourite brand of coffee, and as I walked in I nearly turned around and walked out because the person at the coffee machine was a woman in her 60′s. The pause was enough for me to examine my own beliefs and ask myself the question why I didn’t think she would make a decent coffee. Lucky for me I ignored the “stereotype” and went in, she makes the best coffee I’ve tasted anywhere, and wonderful food as well!
With love, Daniel
in the old esquimo/inuit myth about the Sceleton woman retold by Clarissa Pinkola Estes in Women who runs with the wolfes, the woman sings herself a body with breasts long enough to sweep around her neck and warm herself.
There the breast is not a sexual symbol, but something very functional, breasts which have fed a lot of children and been streched out by the years. The sentence makes me think of the wisdom, love and warm tenderness that grandmothers give to their grandchildren.
“i enjoyed it.. i liked it… i love it”
We have a popular saying that sounds that way ” Do what the priest is saying, not what the priest is doing”… That says everything.
I believe we were educated by our parents, who were educated by our grandfathers who were educated by our grandgrandfathers that sex is a taboo … and small des learned that nudity is bad, it’s ugly …
Unethical.
It is not shame but always, here in SC (Brazil) have a rock festival style hudstock we have many groups that adhere to nudity, and many people who do not have this custom also joins them is a place for collective without malice and only peace …
Life teaches us that what we most sacred “which are our traditions and the way we were brought up” does not see the way we expect to see …
Eu acho que o sexo é o complemento espiritual num casal que se ama.
O sexo é a hóstia, a benção da Deusa/s.
Acho que fazer retiro para rezar é muito válido para qualquer pessoa. É preciso estarmos sós as vezes para nossas preces. Mas é muito válido quando estamos em sintonia como casal a favor da oração.
Sinceramente eu não entendo essa coisa do padre ou freira não poderem ter um ralacionamento de amor sendo que eles não vão deixar de sentir desejo só por causa disso.
Sou católica,mas acho bem fora do comum; mesmo porque é por causa dessa atitude da igreja, que tantos problemas de ordem sexual acontecem, envergonhando a prória classe. O que é proibido, ocorre escondido atrás de muitas clausuras. Acho que isso é que é pecado. Os escândalos que acontecem dentro da igreja em relação ao sexo, porque ninguém aguenta ficar uma vida inteira só rezando.
Em tudo que eu já li e leio até hoje, não foi Deus quem inventou essa história de ser proibido padre, freira e afins de não terem um par. Muito pelo contrário.
Então não adianta nada ficar cheios de tabus quando nem na cabeça de quem se compromete existe esse tipo de pensamento.
Mas eu acho pecado, existir, ainda hoje em dia Igrejas que não aceitam batizar crianças filhos de mãe solteira, quando a própria igreja é contra o aborto e pede contribuição ( muito justa) na hora da missa.
Todos nós nesse mundo, por vezes bom, por vezes ruim; dependemos uns do outros.
Beijos,
Mari.
Sexuality and Spirituality
A Moment of Happiness – Jalal’l-din Rumi
A moment of happiness,
you and I sitting on the veranda
apparently two, but one in soul, you and I
we feel the flowing water of life here,
you and I, with the garden’s beauty
and the birds singing.
The stars will be watching us,
and we will show them
what it is to be a thin crescent moon.
You and I unselfed, will be together,
indifferent to idle speculation, you and I.
The parrots of heaven will be cracking sugar
as we laugh together. you and I.
In one form upon this earth,
and in another form in a timeless sweet land.
Oh beautiful Theresa, beautiful to read it first thing on a Saturday morning….
‘..You and I unselfed, will be together’…
..’In one form upon this earth,
and in another form in a timeless sweet land.’
The word ‘timeless’ depicting ETERNITY.
Thank you so much.
Have a nice weekend.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Love that, thank you so much.
SONG OF THE SOUL AND THE BRIDEGROOM
I
THE BRIDE
Where have You hidden Yourself,
And abandoned me in my groaning, O my Beloved?
You have fled like the hart,
Having wounded me.
I ran after You, crying; but You were gone.
II
O shepherds, you who go
Through the sheepcots up the hill,
If you shall see Him
Whom I love the most,
Tell Him I languish, suffer, and die.
III
In search of my Love
I will go over mountains and strands;
I will gather no flowers,
I will fear no wild beasts;
And pass by the mighty and the frontiers.
IV
O groves and thickets
Planted by the hand of the Beloved;
O verdant meads
Enameled with flowers,
Tell me, has He passed by you?
V
ANSWER OF THE CREATURES
A thousand graces diffusing
He passed through the groves in haste,
And merely regarding them
As He passed
Clothed them with His beauty.
VI
THE BRIDE
Oh! who can heal me?
Give me at once Yourself,
Send me no more
A messenger
Who cannot tell me what I wish.
VII
All they who serve are telling me
Of Your unnumbered graces;
And all wound me more and more,
And something leaves me dying,
I know not what, of which they are darkly speaking.
VIII
But how you persevere, O life,
Not living where you live;
The arrows bring death
Which you receive
From your conceptions of the Beloved.
IX
Why, after wounding
This heart, have You not healed it?
And why, after stealing it,
Have You thus abandoned it,
And not carried away the stolen prey?
X
Quench my troubles,
For no one else can soothe them;
And let my eyes behold You,
For You are their light,
And I will keep them for You alone.
XI
Reveal Your presence,
And let the vision and Your beauty kill me,
Behold the malady
Of love is incurable
Except in Your presence and before Your face.
XII
O crystal well!
Oh that on Your silvered surface
You would mirror forth at once
Those eyes desired
Which are outlined in my heart!
XIII
Turn them away, O my Beloved!
I am on the wing:
THE BRIDEGROOM
Return, My Dove!
The wounded hart
Looms on the hill
In the air of your flight and is refreshed.
XIV
My Beloved is the mountains,
The solitary wooded valleys,
The strange islands,
The roaring torrents,
The whisper of the amorous gales;
XV
The tranquil night
At the approaches of the dawn,
The silent music,
The murmuring solitude,
The supper which revives, and enkindles love.
XVI
Catch us the foxes,
For our vineyard has flourished;
While of roses
We make a nosegay,
And let no one appear on the hill.
XVII
O killing north wind, cease!
Come, south wind, that awakens love!
Blow through my garden,
And let its odors flow,
And the Beloved shall feed among the flowers.
XVIII
O nymphs of Judea!
While amid the flowers and the rose-trees
The amber sends forth its perfume,
Tarry in the suburbs,
And touch not our thresholds.
XIX
Hide yourself, O my Beloved!
Turn Your face to the mountains,
Do not speak,
But regard the companions
Of her who is traveling amidst strange islands.
XX
THE BRIDEGROOM
Light-winged birds,
Lions, fawns, bounding does,
Mountains, valleys, strands,
Waters, winds, heat,
And the terrors that keep watch by night;
XXI
By the soft lyres
And the siren strains, I adjure you,
Let your fury cease,
And touch not the wall,
That the bride may sleep in greater security.
XXII
The bride has entered
The pleasant and desirable garden,
And there reposes to her heart’s content;
Her neck reclining
On the sweet arms of the Beloved.
XXIII
Beneath the apple-tree
There were you betrothed;
There I gave you My hand,
And you were redeemed
Where your mother was corrupted.
XXIV
THE BRIDE
Our bed is of flowers
By dens of lions encompassed,
Hung with purple,
Made in peace,
And crowned with a thousand shields of gold.
XXV
In Your footsteps
The young ones run Your way;
At the touch of the fire
And by the spiced wine,
The divine balsam flows.
XXVI
In the inner cellar
Of my Beloved have I drunk; and when I went forth
Over all the plain
I knew nothing,
And lost the flock I followed before.
XXVII
There He gave me His breasts,
There He taught me the science full of sweetness.
And there I gave to Him
Myself without reserve;
There I promised to be His bride.
XXVIII
My soul is occupied,
And all my substance in His service;
Now I guard no flock,
Nor have I any other employment:
My sole occupation is love.
XXIX
If, then, on the common land
I am no longer seen or found,
You will say that I am lost;
That, being enamored,
I lost myself; and yet was found.
XXX
Of emeralds, and of flowers
In the early morning gathered,
We will make the garlands,
Flowering in Your love,
And bound together with one hair of my head.
XXXI
By that one hair
You have observed fluttering on my neck,
And on my neck regarded,
You were captivated;
And wounded by one of my eyes.
XXXII
When You regarded me,
Your eyes imprinted in me Your grace:
For this You loved me again,
And thereby my eyes merited
To adore what in You they saw
XXXIII
Despise me not,
For if I was swarthy once
You can regard me now;
Since You have regarded me,
Grace and beauty have You given me.
XXXIV
THE BRIDEGROOM
The little white dove
Has returned to the ark with the bough;
And now the turtle-dove
Its desired mate
On the green banks has found.
XXXV
In solitude she lived,
And in solitude built her nest;
And in solitude, alone
Has the Beloved guided her,
In solitude also wounded with love.
XXXVI
THE BRIDE
Let us rejoice, O my Beloved!
Let us go forth to see ourselves in Your beauty,
To the mountain and the hill,
Where the pure water flows:
Let us enter into the heart of the thicket.
XXXVII
We shall go at once
To the deep caverns of the rock
Which are all secret,
There we shall enter in
And taste of the new wine of the pomegranate.
XXXVIII
There you will show me
That which my soul desired;
And there You will give at once,
O You, my life!
That which You gave me the other day.
XXXIX
The breathing of the air,
The song of the sweet nightingale,
The grove and its beauty
In the serene night,
With the flame that consumes, and gives no pains.
XL
None saw it;
Neither did Aminadab appear
The siege was intermitted,
And the cavalry dismounted
At the sight of the waters.
……….. ST JOHN OF THE CROSS
Namaste Catherine,
That’s deep with metaphors. Thank you for sharing it. I look forward to reading more.
Love to you
I’m following you!
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Por favor, me siga no twitter pra eu poder falar com vc!
Please, follow me on twitter, for me talk to you!
Namaste,
I can only address this topic as a woman who was raised Catholic and a long term rape survivor who is trying to heal. I think sex is taboo for most religion because sex is the great equalizer. No one needs a high priest to intercede with God during sex. Men and women, gay or straight are equals in the Great Prayer of sexual union, especially at the moment of Divine Bliss. It’s the great unifier as well. Who’s to say what’s the right way to have sex? Not me. I only know the wrong way… and that’s without a choice. Lack of choice rips a soul apart.
To me the repression of sex correlates with the repression of women, so, unfortunately, it’s easy to slip into blame mode. Religion works hard to make women dependent. In many communities around the world, I would have been killed because I was raped. Men were taught this through religion. My mother who was unmarried when she gave birth to me would have been killed as well because of religious teachings on the subject.
Violence is acceptable, even condoned by religion but sex is not. It all comes down to controlling behavior. Also in nearly every book I’ve read on the subject, they say it’s easier for women to attain the ecstatic state of Divine Vision than it is for men. Maybe that’s one reason sex is taboo in male dominated religions.
So how do I make love sacred? I start with letting go of my anger! I approach sexuality from the perspective of pure love with an open heart. The Heart Chakra is the Divine Union of Healing and Love. I use this in my meditations. My lover is not responsible for the way things are. I accept the things I cannot change and use them as life lessons, but I change what I can, myself and my reactions to sex.
I focused on sex in my writing because it was thrust upon me early and badly. I figured God was giving me a sign. Still I was lost without a rudder until I read the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip:
What is the bridal chamber,
if not the place of trust and consciousness in the embrace?
It is …. Union,
beyond all forms of possession;
here is where the veil is torn from top to bottom;
here is where some arise and awaken.
The powers [archons] can do nothing against those
who are clothed in Light;
they cannot see them.
All will be clothed in Light
when they enter into the Mystery of the sacred embrace.
To know the grace of true communion with Him,
one must be clothed in Clear Light.
In this Light we can see His Light.
Before leaving this world, we must become human beings
inhabited by the Breath [Spirit].
I began to see religion as union with the Divine instead of rules and regulations. Religion is my personal mode of worship, not where I go to church. Sex has often been used as a metaphor for mystical encounters. When Hildegard of Bingen described her experiences, she often used erotic imagery. A nun became wife to Christ in an ecstatic ascetic passion. I become united with the Divine through ecstasy with my lover.
According to Osho’s history of the Red Tantric teachings of Asia, a Hindu Brahman who became a Buddhist monk, but found Nirvana in Samsara, Heaven on Earth, living on a dung heap with a woman of the streets. I find it a glorious story. He was ridiculed by those who adhered to ascetic-only teachings but was embraced by the multitudes who sought guidance from his wisdom.
To me, sacredness in sex is all about how we treat our partners. Of course there are times when we move within, but there is a serious feeling of contentment when my lover is reveling in my actions. Joseph Campbell said the direct path to the Divine, to God, is through Bliss. If the Divine has entered my lover, I want Him to feel as wonderful in the physical realm as He might in Heaven. If we were to treat each other as if we were experiencing the Divine, we might be more careful about what we say and do.
Groans are like applause to a lover. I take the “What Would Jesus Do?” approach whenever I’m in a position of power. Sex is the greatest power we possess. I treat my lover the way I want to be treated. I follow the rules Christ proposed as loving behaviors.
Because I needed to change myself, I started with my surroundings. I decorated my bedroom into something that felt luxurious and comfortable. I also use this room as my office for writing. The creativity works in my favor for both my sensual experiences as well as my work.
I light candles and burn incense… Frankincense for Him, Sandalwood for Her… to enhance the feeling of this being my sacred space. Massages are wonderful for relaxation and bringing forth the meditative attitude which drives away my post traumatic stress symptoms. I do a lot of yoga breathing as well.
As my lover is different from me, I learned about his body… his likes and dislikes. I’ve read a great deal on the male form and experimented on my lover over the years. The greater the pleasure, the more powerful the spiritual experience. His ecstasy builds mine.
I’ve read that some can communicate through their third eye during ecstasy, but I’ve never accomplished that. I’ve also read of women who can have extended orgasms which offer visions during these experiences. It takes a lot of energy, but many say that lovers can visit heaven during sex. Pure unity! That must be glorious.
I may not get there in this lifetime, but I keep trying.
Love to you
Elaine -
For sharing your world, thankyou..
when I read your words here, I was reminded of the healing power of this poem.. the Spiritual Canticle.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/canticle.iv.html
it was written by St. John of the Cross
but just some few lines I recall all the time and hold like a candle of light.
……………………….
The bride has entered
The pleasant and desirable garden,
And there reposes to her heart’s content;
Her neck reclining
On the sweet arms of the Beloved.
XXIII
Beneath the apple-tree
There were you betrothed;
There I gave you My hand,
And you were redeemed
Where your mother was corrupted.
………………………
This is his beautiful book ;o)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/0811204499/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-page
Peace be with you xxxxx
p.s. great poetry page you have there… with lovely pictures too ;o)
Wow! I was taken to that sacred instant of pleasure by reading you. I feel like crying out of emotion. Thank you.
Adriana
Hi Elaine
Thank you for sharing so beautifully, it is wonderful to hear that you are able to let go of the pain and still see and enjoy lovemaking as sacred.
Your lover is a fortunate man.
With love
Pandora
” I light candles and burn incense…to enhance the feeling of this being my sacred place.”
This reminds me of the preparation for the Church’s Liturgies. The vestments and the candles must be carefully placed and the incense bowl kept alight in readiness for the sacred event! In lovemaking I think this kind of preparation can be so important and can help to give greater pleasure – ” The greater the pleasure, the more powerful the experience.”
I also think that spontaneous experiences can sometimes be equally pleasurable, depending on the circumstances.
Thank you, Elaine
Today’s society is too preocupied with sex. There is the difference between making love and having sex. We are not animals! Life is all about balance and it cannot be all about pleasure. Sexualitly can be beautiful and can be ugly. And the more we allow ouselves – the uglier it gets.
Religion… it gives us some boundaries, but does anyone cares anymore? The fear of God is gone.
hopefull the fear has not gone entirely…
my surname means “dread God”
… thy will be done ;o)
“but does anyone care anymore?”! About God? Apparently you have not lived in the United States, not to mention a “red state” (politically conservative)! Africa, North and South America are all very majorly religious continents. I know religion in Europe is not as powerful as the secular world there, and I can only assume that religion is not as influential in Asia. But I’ve never lived there. Maybe I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, unless you’re totally ignorant of the religiosity of so many cultures.
I erased “the fear of God” in my mind…”The Love of God” is what I embrace now…
Religions keep preaching to us about “the fear of God”… “FEAR” creates GUILT in our hearts..LOVES as we heard is the beginning of wisdom…so maybe if “FEAR” is entirely gone, humans may find the true meaning of love… the LOVE OF GOD…
I think sexuality is one of the highest levels of freedom, expressed and exercised by all living beings, except the humans. Humans are the only beings who restrict its experience on some while its expression on everyone. Unfortunately we being humans tend to give judgments on what we have understood regarding a certain thing, that understood thing by our forefathers becomes the ultimate knowledge for few, and are imposed as a sacred law on everyone. The prejudice towards sexuality is a matter related to personal freedom, what else could be the ultimate personal freedom other than sexuality. It has always been that human has restricted the experience of freedom to its person; seldom allowing others.
nice words. thanks. i agree with you
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