There is a lot prejudices against pop artists. I was tweeting something and all of a sudden I saw that because I follow and I admire pop artists, pop singers, people says “oh, this singers are not good because they are so popular”.
So I would like to know your opinion about popularity and quality. This is very important because I hate prejudices and at the same time, I think that people are loosing a lot of love and joy that pop artists can share with us. This is my opinion, off course you can have a different opinion.
Thank you,
Paulo
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I just remembered that loving and listening popular artists, music, would be right if one is not forcing others to do the same. I had a bad experience, while travelling home from a sea side resort, far from my city. I took the fastest modern train, imagining I will have comfort. Sure ticket was expensive, But quality deserves a price, I told to myself. What a wrong idea, after a while, in I realised that a certain folk music( popular here to some, from peasent origins) was to be heard over and over again, loudly. I asked the personal of train if they cant stop it, or at least to change the band…The told me it was only the conductor that could do that, and they cant disturb him during the work.Each hour the put same music from the beginning, and I was travelling a few hours…Near my destination I felt really tired, with strong head ache.
My coleague in faculty had a simillar experience, but he had with him a real band, and he said was as living in a Kusturica movie( he dont love such).
Hi Alexandra,
I have to laugh because most of us have been to a similar situation. What comes to my mind was an Easter a few years ago when we decided to go camping in the desert, which we have done several times, and had the place all to ourselves. Not this time. The area we found filled up with happy campers, and a bunch of kids in a huge red truck, who fired up loud rap on the stereo. Gone was the sound of the summing spring desert, and any wish for a quiet few days. Some campers with children tried to reason with them, but nope, they were in the mood for PARTYING…
Love & admiration,
Heart
“I’m not dead. and I’m not for sale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQf_3Cw6Q4
(See you Sunday!)
Artists that can’t make their own music doesn’t really stay in the industry for very long. Consumers are not stupid. People generally know which pop stars has music in their hearts and those who has not.
If a star is popular, there’s a reason for it. Sometimes, it’s just not their artistry.
Thank you for remembering the effort we do not see, behind the stage.
I think pop singer will not be popular if they are not good right? but it depends to her/his followers how they depend the good quality of his/her idol.For example Michael Jackson is a good singer to his fans, because his song has a lot of meaning to everybody and maybe his personality attracts his fans.
And because he was inovative for his time, talented and unique.
and art in itself is a rebellion …there is no room for predjudices, neither from the artist nor the consumer
in my opinion prejudices are the worst crime in our time
I don’t think so about “prejudices”. I think prejudices are one of the most important things in everybodies life. If they would not be there to save us time, you would never have a chance to take any of the challanges life gives us every day.
But – prejudices that stay unquestioned and unchallanged… they are close to crime – yes.
We should just always know they are PRE-judices and not take them for “judices”
bernd
PS: If art is a rebellion – can it ever be popular?
art is categorized as art at the moment it brings truth to the observer (consumer) of it…it has a divine touch that connects people and makes them believe into it and even shapes their personalities..the ‘quality’ of art isn’t measurable with its popularity because it depends how it is accessible to a wider audience, and then it may become popular (among certain circles -more or less). The important part is the message that art brings to us and it is always a story of love and the sadness of life but at the same time a story of its beauty in all aspects
I think the problem is the label pop. Pop meaning popular. What is popular all depends on what circle you are a part of. I don’t think Pop music is popular music exactly. It’s popular to some but not to others. I question why the lable in the first place?
A popular artist is something special – but only if the definition of artist is not just “a top seller” in the arts market.
A popular artist might be that top seller, but not because the art is directed by sales, but because the art has found publicity.
The anoying thing is a pop-art market, that only or mainly offers products designed after proven best-selling concepts. Still the results might be of very high quality (as money is invested for there is a good chance for good sales) – but after some generations of reusing best-selling ideas even this cannot help to make the product a piece of inspiring art.
Still – every artist has to find a way to make a living…
Some will decide to work for the market and bring in as much as possible from their soul, others may decide not to do so, but have a completely differnt job for the money and hope to have enough time for their art…
Both is – unfortunately – just naturally in our times.
I would be happy to be a pop-artist.
But I am angry with producers of “best-sellers” that do not even match my ideas of (“physical”) quality.
I am angry with a fast business orientated arts market that slowly degrades the expected level of quality (e.g. music on cds has to get louder and more dynamically compressed to impress in the first few seconds. But this destroys not only over all sonic quality, but also feeling and soul that is transported within dynamics. Also the loss of dynamic range does not support a natural flow of energy, tension and concentration of the listener… oh.. I guess I should stop here, or I’ll end up writing books)
I am angry with arts-market media like cds: They set a level of perfection that is to be matched in live performance. So young musicians are trained to make no mistakes – forgetting about one thing – taking the risk of opening soul and heart and inviting the listener to “the inside”.
The result is a circus act of perfection, but every single note I hear just hurts me (I like see circus – but not when I would like to hear music).
Strange enough – this circus seems to always have the better chance to get popular (is this because people tend to be more generous to the ones who say “stay out and admire me”?).
So now I am doing the wrong thing. I turned away from music’s arts market – missing even pop aritist which may be really great. Still this hurts less.
When I like to listen to something inspiring, I take a walk (anywhere) and close my eyes…
… or better – I ask my wife to play – she always touches my soul :-)
I am talking a lot about music here… I guess because you can not close your ears like you can close your eyes. So this matters more to me than any art transported in a visual form…
bernd
Hi Paulo
I love Hindi film music.I don’t know a thing about pop or Western music.Actors and cricketers are more famous in India. actors smoke in movies. but many children and copy . Pop singers or actors or anyone for that matter shold have social responsibility.
as for popularity,
A friend of mine told me she read the alchemist but didn’t like it becase it was “mystical”. I told her she was TOTALLY DUMB.It’s never really possible to please everyone:)
To talk about this topic is as same as talking about rock music and prejudice about this kind of music.We would read the same opinion why this music is better or worse,see that there are people who would spit on it and,again,those who would say bad things about some other kind of music in order to defend rock/pop,people would try to justify lyrics,then those who would make an attempt to make the world realize that it is OK to love different music because it doesn’t define our personality and so on,so on…Well,point is that people are full of anger,hate and so, for some of them no matter what subject you choose,they would still strongly defend their opinion ,claiming it to be the only right one…but I say that it is better to live in the world full of diversity,if you don’t like someone or something such as pop/rock then just don’t listen to it,don’t waste time on fighting people,use it to do the things you like…The world would be boring if we would love the same things,then Paulo,you wouldn’t have these discussions because people wouldn’t have anything new to say but “I AGREE WITH ALL THE PEOPLE HERE….”..lets use these differences and learn more….
Young, I would listen to music a lot and sign a lot. I would be touched by lyrics, the beat and buy the music, learn it, dance to it … that was my first therapy …
Today, I am not a listening of music that much … in my car most of the time and then I close it just to be with me. I am more of a reader, of a thinker, and in that also I chose in line with what is within me, to understand, to grow, to help me define my unicity.
One thing though … I love the work of Michael Jackson, and at the moment, that is what is nourishing me, his lyrics, his beat. Went to see his documentary This is it. I loved to see him work … when all that was technical around him talked technical, the only answer he gave was “When I will feel it”, “I do not feel it” … everything that came from him was in relation to his intuition … that talked to me, brought me to be sensible to that part of myself.
Now, if one judges my listening to his music, or the signer, well, I am not here to debate. The other might think he was ugly, bizarre, not in total sanity … me, I think he was unique, I loved how he was not afraid to show his difference, I can go over that and recognize that his work is in my book great. If he is so popular, if I refer to me, it must be because he touched others as he touched me. There is that uncouncious influence that passes … maybe to only sensible persons to be captured. Well, something passes from him to me and that nourishes me. Quality? When an artist can touch many, and become popular, well, there must be something that passes of quality … That quality of helping me touch parts of me (intuition, listening to the soul, giving joy to others, passing messages of responsibility as habitants of the Earth), well, that is of high quality for me … the quality I recognized is that, and all that is technical I do not give a damn … For me, it nourishes me at a time in my life, it makes me smile, dance, have courage, solidify me in my own mission, etc … And at last, when I am not appealed by a music, an artist, well, I just an not and do not have to destroy that person’s work. I am capable of recognizing that that person believes in his dream, that that persons acts and not just talks. I respect the other’s works. And if I believe that a creation well does not go in the sense of love, nourishment, etc …, I do not want to embark in creating bad vibes. I tell I am not touched by the message, the music, and let a greater than me be judge.
With affection, Jojo.
Dear Paulo: you’re right. I also hate prejudice, but it is important to respect our opinions. I like some artists “pop star” has the sensitivity to absorb their message. I like those who spend a good energy.
With love – Sergio Coelho
Querido Paulo,
É uma pena que as pessoas que conseguem ser populares serem rotuladas ou rebaixadas a alguma coisa. Acho puro preconceito. O que é bom tem que ser muito tocado, lido, imitado, divulgado. Acho que o que está escondido aí é que alguns intelectuais ou formadores de opinião não aceitam que um artista, escritor , ou qualquer pessoa ou trabalho que atinja muitas pessoas ao mesmo tempo, possa ter qualidade, eles estão desmerecendo não só os artistas mas as pessoas que gostam e acompanham o trabalho do artista.
Fica parecendo que quem acompanha algum artista pop não tem gosto, não entende nada ou não tem cultura o suficiente.
Viva o pop !!
Hola a mime da lo mismo el nombre con el que se denomine cualquier arte, música, autor, título película…debo ser un desastre…solo me interesa lo que me transmite, lo que recibo, lo que siento, los efectos de su esencia en mi. Me sucede con todo. Cuando pinto o escribo no estoy pensando que lo hago para nadie, ni siquiera pienso en algo concreto, me expreso dejo fluir mis sentimientos. Y que los demás lo reciban como gusten, y expresen lo que les llega….grato o menos grato. Cada uno de nosotros ocupamos un espacio y viendo lo mismo, lo vemos de distinta forma y pienso que todas son respetables y que todas las miradas están en lo cierto e incluso en lo incierto…..
Todo lo que se haga con amor estoy segura que no se recibe de otro modo mas que desde el amor.
Besitos y amor
je
Besitos
Hola a mi da lo mismo el nombre con el que se denomine cualquier arte, música, autor, título película…debo ser un desastre…solo me interesa lo que me transmite, lo que recibo, lo que siento, los efectos de su esencia en mi. Me sucede con todo. Cuando pinto o escribo no estoy pensando que lo hago para nadie, ni siquiera pienso en algo concreto, me expreso dejo fluir mis sentimientos. Y que los demás lo reciban como gusten, y expresen lo que les llega….grato o menos grato. Cada uno de nosotros ocupamos un espacio y viendo lo mismo, lo vemos de distinta forma y pienso que todas son respetables y que todas las miradas están en lo cierto e incluso en lo incierto…..
Todo lo que se haga con amor estoy segura que no se recibe de otro modo mas que desde el amor.
Besitos y amor
je
Besitos
This is a topic that I feel passionate about, thank you Paulo!!
Music is how god speaks to my soul. Perhaps this is so for many people? Songs finds me, we find each other.
It seems to me that pop singers also have a talent or gift to inspire many individuals at the same time; collective positive, loving energy.
The arts needs freedom of expression and I don’t want it to die!!
Music is a living teacher and also, soothes my soul. Live and let learn : )
Much Love to All, Jane : ) xo
I think that a great thing today is artists like the Jonas Brothers. They are very popular with teenagers in the US and all over the world – their music is fun and they are good role models for kids growing up. They own their own band and do a good job of marketing themselves. I would have preference for clean cut bands rather than over the top vulgarity. Pop music has lasted now for 3 or 4 decades and shows no sign of slowing down – the unfortunate thing as the ones who get left behind – the people who fall ill and the ones who end up in prison!
P.S>> I do not sit at home with CD’s of the Jonas Brothers!
Yes, thank God for Music, it takes me to another place… and of course dancing as well and to it, is Divine…
“Sell Out”
[verse]
well, I know you can’t work in fast food all your life
but don’t sign that paper tonight, she said,
but it’s too late.
And I don’t remember what I read,
don’t remember what they said,
I guess it doesn’t matter,
I guess it doesn’t matter anymore.
[chorus]
you’re gonna go to the record store
you’re gonna give ‘em all your money
radio plays what they want you to hear
they tell me it’s cool but I just don’t believe it…
sell out, with me oh yea, sell out, with me tonight
record company’s gonna give me lots of money
and everything’s gonna be (all right).
[verse]
no more flippin’ burgers puttin’ on my silly hat
you know I don’t want that no more,
And I didn’t ask when we’d get paid, I quit my day job anyway,
I guess it doesn’t matter, I guess it doesn’t matter anymore
[chorus]
You’re gonna go to the record store,
you’re gonna give ‘em all your money,
radio plays what they want you to hear,
they tell me it’s cool, I just don’t believe it
sell out, with me oh yea, sell out
with me tonight, the records company’s only give me
lots of money and everything’s gonna be.
[bridge]
I don’t think it’ll be so bad
I know it won’t be so bad
cause the man said “that’s the way it is”
and the man said “it don’t get better than this” no no no noo
[chorus]
so I signed on to the record company,
they say they’re gonna give me lot’s of money,
if I play what they want you to hear
they tell me it’s cool, and I sure believe it…
sell out, with me oh yea, sell out, with me tonight
the record companies gonna give me lots of money and
everything’s gonna be (all right).
Pull My strings dead kennedies
I’m tired of self respect
I can’t afford a car
I wanna be a prefab superstar
I wanna be a tool
Don’t need no soul
Wanna make big money
Playing rock and roll
I’ll make my music boring
I’ll play my music slow
I ain’t no artist, I’m a business man
No ideas of my own
I won’t offend
Or rock the boat
Just sex and drugs
And rock and roll
Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!
Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!
You’ll pay ten bucks to see me
On a fifteen foot high stage
Fatass bouncers kick the shit
Out of kids who try to dance
If my friends say
I’ve lost my guts
I’ll laugh and say
That’s rock and roll
But there’s just one problem
[Chorus]
Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star
Give me a toot, I’ll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I’ll go far
And when I’m rich
And meet Bob Hope
We’ll shoot some golf
And shoot some dope
Is my cock big enough?
Is my brain small enough?
[Repeat chorus, etc. etc.]
Some songs hating popstars, who made those singing it popstars. Ironic no? Thomas V.
Hi Paulo,
Interesting talk this is. Obviously popularity isn’t the same as it used to be. When The Beatles became famous, it was mostly because people screamed for them, needed them,…
Now it’s just waiting curiously what the record companies give us next. Of every genre they have, tactical, and chewable enough, their bands, and it seems that “underground” and “alternative” music was never as big as now, cause radio and video stations broadcast what they’re paid for. Even now “alternative” is a commercial genre too, the public is aware of the musical business, so people who care much about music often dig further, to bands or dj’s who stand above these things, and make music with their hearts and write their own stuff.
I doubt Tokio Hotel writes their own music. (but i don’t get the hate against this youth band either)
So, i guess the less bands have to do with record labels, the more it comes from their own.
Music from the heart is still what’s it about i’d say.
If i can recommand a band? It would be NIN (nine inch nails). It’s amaznig how beautiful this singer, Trent Reznor, swum through the genres, and albums, to find himself. And he found himself this year… and stopped with this band. Cause this band was about how difficult society is, and now he’s honoust with himself and moves on to another project. That’s brave isn’t it?
His fanbase is huge, yet it still is ‘underground’. No doubt about if he writes his own music! You should listen to “The Fragile”, “Still”, or instrumental album “Ghosts I-IV”
You will give a sign at Twitter when you give your own opinion about this?
x
Thomas
we all have different worlds inside us(thousands)and we express them in many different ways– we mirror each others dreams and aspirations too..and with an understanding of this soulfulness in everyone’s hope in realizing a dream,it’s magical.
and let us remember,pop artists were once children too who dreamt to find their place under the sun just like anyone else in this world.
live and let love. XXXX
Beautifully said. Thank you, SEA.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
all of us,
no exceptions,
were babies one day
I posted a video message but people did not reply, maybe they dont have the patiente to listen.
I try to write my ideas. As you talk about popular artists, I have to add that that term can have so many connotations, and depends much from country to country. In my country there is a particular type of songs, popular among certain part of population, called”manele”, and they imitate (in my opinion with no success ) arabic songs. I cant hear them…I heard in radio that after a study, they came to the idea that people who were loving that type of song, were implying only basic instincts, same as animals, not much intellicence. Ok, if someone feel hurt, I repeat they not my words.
But maybe some true lies between the lines. I think people accept easier the simple things, easy to understand than the complicate and subtle rafinate art. And we agreed while we had the news with the famous violinist singing in the subway station, nobody payed attention.
I love pop artistis, and I love classic music too.
I can say everybody is free to love the music make them feel alive, as well everybody should dress the way the like. Its a matter of taste, “de gustibus”, and no one can accuse somebody for preffering a hot dog to an elaborate restaurant dish.
Much love
Alexandra
Thanks Alexandra-
I like both “hot dogs” and the “elaborate restaurant dish”!
Love :)
Thank you both, and now I feel ashame I draw the attention to myself…Yes, a bit we are complex. And is better that way.
Thanks a lot for reply
Love
Alexandra
Sabe Paulo,
Hoje, por alguma razão que desconheço, chegou às minhas mãos um conto do Kafka chamado O Silêncio das Sereias. Lá pelas tantas ele diz assim:
“As sereias entretanto têm uma arma ainda mais terrível que o canto: o seu silêncio. Apesar de não ter acontecido isso, é imaginável que alguém tenha escapado ao seu canto; mas do silêncio certamente não”.
Quando li isso, imediatamente me lembrei do silêncio que ficou quando morreu Michael Jackson. Você não acha que o silêncio dele ensinou mais sobre preconceito contra o que é popular do que todas as canções que ele compôs?
Beijos brasileiros,
Fernanda
Que interessante, Fernanda,
Tem razão, a morte dele foi muito estranha mesmo,
acho que a mais estranha que eu já vi,
a sensação que deu foi que, ao morrer, ele voltou
a viver na música mundial e no carinho das pessoas,
impressionante,
um beijo pra você também
i am studying songwriting in berklee at the moment. what we do is to analyse all the popular hit songs any by understanding what is happening in these songs, what these pop artists did to create these wonderful songs is an ocean of creative things which the listener does not recognise when he hears a song. musicians call that tools, not rules. so to me a pop song does not have to be less “artistic” that an alternative song or jazz song or classic song. the creative process is the same. what is more important i think is that the artist can maintain his authenticity for his work and not be deluted and dragged away by the industry.
Hi Alex,
For awhile I did the same thing, analyze the text of some hard rock lyric, together with young kids who love this type of music. For instance looking at a song called ‘Jesus Christ has found herself’ I found brilliant lyric and poetic expressions, but a song text full of blasphemous lines, anti parents messages, anti female messages, pro drug message, pro hate message. We talked about what these kind of words can do to a listener… I believe words create us, and when we surround us with positive words, we create happier human beings.
Love & admiration,
Heart
Certain people plant hell on earth, they plant the wrong idea that paradise is anywhere else except here and whenever further down the road but just not now.
Certain people also try and make others believe that the best of life is fancy or complicated and burdensome.
Paradise is popular, it is the childhood songs we bring in our souls, the fantastic simple feelings such as drinking cold soda or beer, kissing, hugging, loving, watching a good movie, using the bathroom, scratching what’s itching, driving fast, dreaming, saying jokes, doing nothing at all, playing games, working, saying hi, saying bye, talking to God, talking to anyone, sharing experiences, getting to see flying saucers in the sky, fighting for the light of God, living personal miracles and so on
I love your post, even if you not straight to the idea. Who are the “certain people”?
I agree with what you are saying. Just be.
you rock Rod!… Nice music we all like to hear!:)
Have fun, friend!!
DR
There was Pop… The Beatles etc
and there was flop
;o)
Great… your forum is back this week ;o)
I had a few days off, so was watching daytime television..
and on the history channel was a series on infamous assinations. One this programme, the story of John Lennon was being retold and leading up to his final assination. There were the several theories of why a pop singer should be killed. An interviewed friend/journalist recalls his impressions of shock and astonishment at that time .. why would any one want to kill a pop singer!? Politicians maybe.. you can understand.. but a singer who sings songs.
Well… with foresight it could be said that anyone person has the ability to have great powers of persuasion.. political or otherwise; and it does not matter the medium. Lennon was a writer, poet.. and wrote songs…
but his message was obviously too hot to handle for some.. and so he lost his life.
Considering his era, it was of great change in the western world… the 50s generation were becoming liberated into the 60s and 70s.. loci of power were changing in starkly different, new ways.
Often diversity is discouraged… uniformity upheld at all costs. Music is one force that has challenged this greatly over the past decades….
music brings people together.
but at the same time that it engages dialogue and connection, this seems to set people apart as they suddenly seek to carve identity within these spaces…
and so, music becomes a means for social agency.
as for pop.. well Jackson, king of pop, really did bring something unique to music… a global appeal.. more so i wonder than the Beatles [?]…
but again, great reaction in popularity. I never bothered too much with MJ until I heard ‘Want you back’ and ‘earth song’.. and then i connected and my heart opened, ears started listening. He started ‘Saying’ something that I wanted.. needed to hear. Then his pop was not just POPular music.. it rocked!! ;o) And then I became more open to more music.. as i realised it was about what i wanted, not what i was supposed to like…
and i heard the gypsy kings.. [not so known in my generation here].. then i left the world of pop and didn’t look back.
but pop is all about popular culture… what is of the times, trendy, fashionable, cutting edge etc etc.
it’s bound to cause controversy because that is part of its intention.. to bring about change through the masses.
I wouldn’t say that modern music has gained any credibility in the ways that classical music has owned for centuries. But again, perhaps popular music is about transformation of a different tempo… and is never supposed to replicate having a legacy such as these of the classics.
Alot of pop is nonsense… sexed up and glamourised… aiming for a quick buck or five mins of fame… so there are degrees of good quality within pop for sure ;o)
I think that even in their hey day, classical composers were treated much the same… sometimes in, popular, then rejected and depopularised by the audience…
What does make good music??
having been ill i have looked into sound therapy and what sounds heal. in fact, just yesterday i brought out of my storage a healing musical instrument and have it beside my bed now. There are certain keys and notes that harmonise better than others… punk being that other in my opinion ;o) and certain keys have been proven to cheer the spirit more than other keys…
Lastly, for me, personally… any song or melody that is, well.. melodic gets a head start in the game….
but soulful is another component for credibility: it has to have integrity and maturity.
I’m not sure if i have really answered the question of popularity and quality. If i compare people with their music tastes.. well the same goes for popularity in each case…
popularity is often based on superficial factors, over-riding those more fundamental…. sometimes popularity seems like escapism. quality it is not, always.
but then that’s why we have the charts… because it does mean something … to be number one ;o)
Toda la música como producto final, depende de gustos, rock, pop, merengue, hip hop.. etc.
Pero si prestamos mas atención, hay música (incluyendo cualquier genero) echa por verdaderos poetas,artistas con el alma en la mano y hay música echa con el único propósito de saturar la mente y llenar el bolsillo a las grandes productoras, e interpretada por marionetas.
Esta mas que claro que las marionetas se reconocen a simple vista, algunas bandas de la actualidad incluyendo Tokio hotel, están llenas de tópicos y son una renovación de lo que en su tiempo fueron los BackStreetBoys o ‘N Sync, pero dado a la moda que hay hoy en día ya no son grupos de chicos si no bandas rock pop o emo y cosas así.
me gusta el rock pero también el buen pop el echo por verdaderos músicos.
I often encounter the same sort of attitude in reference to literature. Somehow, people (particularly members of “the academy”) tend to think it has to be obscure, radically alternative, extremely risky or otherwise addressed to some marginalized audience in order to be worthy of the label “literature.” Otherwise, it is simply “trash” – formulaic “junk” composed for the lethargic minds of the masses.
But who is to say, when the dust settles, which author’s work will stand the test of time? And even if it doesn’t, is it so bad to be “popular” – to be read by thousands or hundreds of thousands, millions perhaps, rather than by a few hundred literature professors sitting in their tall towers?
Well, all so complicated and relative, as we had a course about the Sociology of Literature, as you mentioned same problem in Literature. There we really saw how many factors can contribute to success and popularity, from an editor, who refuse to publish, to money, that a writer lack for editing a book, and so on and so forth. And I remember same with Paulo Coelho, who with his book was with not much success, and after a time he reached the top . I am bit angry with some of my former professors in faculty, for they were so against Paulo, and I think with no real reason. It was a real act of bravery my thesis based on Paulos work and life, near one of our most known writers. I took the risk. And I am glad I did that, no other topic would worth that much.
Love you Paulo for your work
Love you all
Alexandra
there’s still the matter of good taste, popular or not, there is people who have good taste and people with bad taste and both are catered for well.
in clasical music there is Schuhmann opposed to Schubert, Chopin opposed to Tchaikovsky, the waltzing Strauss against the proper one.
Some pop songs stay, others are one day flies, some meaningful, others silly beyond measures.
somehow i still feel bad for preferring Robbie Williams above Irina Goebadoelina but oh well, such is life, we’re simple souls and whatever catches on sticks to us. Good upbringing or not….sigh
i wish i could be as clearcut as some of my friends and live according to the rules, whats right and whats wrong, whats good and whats bad and all the time i just want to hum away and melt on Adeles sweet voice
So how is it that you determine what is good taste and what is bad taste?
Is very sad to see this ., people judging others just to make their ego feel less hurt,, more then a half of people that judge others is simple a case of jelousy,, this people would love to be there were this artist are, but for been so close in to their egoistic feelings insted of finding the love and passion that exist in every artist , they can only find hate,, this is when this people are just mirror them self , they can talk very bad about popular artist only cause this is how they are really feeling for themselves ,, insted of focusing so much on them when one feels like this is time to turn to oneselve and start understanding why they feel that way,, see what s wrong and try to solve it ,, we are all part of this great universe when we know ourselves we are connected , to be a singer s a great thing but there is so many ways of been an artist , just find what is that you are in love with and do it,, recognition for what u do is the least important thing , when we are in that creativity mood we are in perfect comunion, we are one, all egoistic feelings are banish and what s left s only love and happiness .. So for those out there the ones the feel so crappy and love to judge ,, simple turn to yourselves and find the artist on you…
I had a teacher once say, “Pop music and culture exist for the simple fact that they are “popular” amoung the masses. It has nothing to do with the value, or whether it is deemed good or bad.” I believe there is truth in that statement. There are people, artists, ideas that I enjoy/look up to but doesn’t necessarily mean they are “good”. I find that there are equally the same amounts of people, artists and ideas that deemed popular but I think they are aweful.
I believe that universal idea here must be appreciation. I may not enjoy someone who is immensely popular but I can appreciate the platform that they wish to express themselves and hope they can only think the same of me and my favorites.
Don’t forget that Mozart was very popular, and masses loved his works
Damian Hurst – a ‘popular’ artist !
Hola paulo!!! un saludo especial…
Creo que los artistas hoy en día lo tienen un poco dificil ( los que empiezan su carrera ) porque creo que existe un sistema o patrón ya creado en el que nacemos y seguimos nuestra vida. Nacemos con la idea de que hay que seguir los que otros hacen para triunfar y como es un sistema, si otros no siguen a un cantante es que simplemente es malo. No creo que sea así. Personalmente admiro a Bono ( U2 ) dese hace mucho tiempo, pero creo que el mismo sistema lo ha cambiado a el y ahora es que se da cuenta de las cosas buena que quiere hacer, este cantante se dio cuenta de lo superficial de la vida cuando estuvo en uganda en un campamento de refugiados, y es cuando pienso, y si no hubiera tenido la oportunidad ni el tiempo, ni dinero para ir…su vida hubiera cambiado, se daria cuenta de que existen personas en el mundo que lo pasan mal. Por eso pienso que estos artistas ya naceran con un patron hecho. Recuerdo a madonna protegiendo la tierra y despues se descubre que todo su dinero en bolsa estaba invertido en compañias que dañaban la misma. Simplemente creo que la sociedad necesita a alguien que le guie o simplemente nacemos ya con esa idea. Vivo en un pueblo al norte de españa en donde la gente es un poco cerrada y a veces he llegado a oir cuando haces algo diferente que eres un poco raro…porque ? y despues resulta que hacen o repiten lo que yo hago. saludos amigo.
Hola Paulo!
Es la primera vez que escribo aqui, estoy bastante cotento de saber que puedo escribirte, y porder interactuar contigo.
Bien, pienso que Tokio Hotel es un estandarte de la musica comercial y enlatada a lo que nos tienen acostumbrados esta nueva era de la musica. Creo que todas las canciones de Tokio Hotel, o de cualquier grupo de cantantes neonatos, son bastante enlatados, con estrofas repitiendose sin ton ni son y con letras que no transmiten lo mas minimo. Tanto Tokio Hotel, como todos los productos de Disney Channel, y otros grupos de pop-rock son seguidos en su mayoría por adolescentes de no mas de 17 años, las cuales no se fijan tanto en la calidad de las canciones cuanto en la belleza estetica de los cantantes.
Esa fijacion de las adolescentes es lo que nos conlleva a que actuen tal y como ellos actuan en sus canciones, videos musicales o presentaciones de CD’s, porque si este chico, que es tan famoso y es tan guapo se hace un tatuaje, yo por que no puedo hacerlo?. Ellas, las que se mueven por esos grupos son las que compran sus CD’s, revistas, merchandaising y demas cosas, qu genera dinero a las productoras, que al fin y al cabo es lo que ellos desean, no lo buena o mala que sea la musica que esten haciendo.
mis padres decian la misma cosa de The Beatles…
Music was my first love… Those words sang by Robert Miles says what is important for me. Music, in all kind of Styles like Pop, Rock, Rock’n'Roll, New Age, Celtic, Metal, Gothic, World Music, Classic, Middleage and whatever. There are so many styles I don’t know and I’m a Webradiomoderator of in Internet Radiostation.
I like some artist very much. But I don’t say in public I hate this kind of music or that artist because of something…
I mean everybody has got his own taste of music and other things that we have got in our lifes. We should try to accept everyones taste. :)
Greetings from Switzerland
Petra
geee- i really loath that song…..
Предубеждение рождает гордыню,популярность-питает,качество-отвлекает.
I think that preferring one or the other genre in music depends how interested you are in it or how deeply you want to feel the music or how much depth(or what kind) you are searching in it. As much as I know a lot of pop artists(not all) don’t write their own songs. They are just “packages” for these products that some other people behind them try to sell. Those kind of packages and music that goes along with it aren’t really appealing. I myself have always liked more the musicians who put more work in their art. I think it shows in the music they make. Hard work gives their music quality and depth. I have always loved harder music(metal, rock) or more underground(dnb, idm, dark electronical music), because it seems more genuine. If I would compare books and music through the eyes of a person who likes to read: then cheap love novels without deeper meaning would be regular produced pop(ular) music and more meaningful, philosophical, psychological novels would be quality music from most genres there are. In the end there are pearls in every genre of music. I think the image of the pop music has been ruined by the shadows of the money towers people make doing it and the greedy people that are getting involved in making the music for that money.
PS! Hope I didn’t make too many mistakes, English is not my first language. Greetings from Estonia!
“Bea ütleb, et lugemise kunst on tasapisi välja suremas, et see on väga isiklik kombetalitus, et raamat on peegel ja me võime sealt leida vaid seda, mis on meis juba olemas, et lugemisse paneme me kogu oma mõistuse ja südame ning see oskus muutub iga päevaga üha haruldasemaks. (lk 514)”
Üks eestlane tsiteerib Tuule varju (Zafon) sisu. Leiame vaid seda, mida meie süda ja mõistus on valmis vastu võtma. Muu jääb hoomamatuks, puutumatuks, muu jääb varju.
Tolerantsus. Kas see, kui mõni hea laulja teeb mõnest vanast loost väga hea kaveri (coveri) (või kui ta esitab kellegi teise muusikat enese nägemuse kaudu) tähendab, et see on jama, kuna see pole tema enda muusika?
Rohkem tööd = rohkem ISE enda muusika produtseerimist? Või rohkem enda hääle/instrimendi kallal töötamist? Või hoopis suhtlemist publikuga? …
Parimat,
Liina
bem,os tokyo hotel apenas são populares porque cantam temas que as adolescentes gostam, como corações partidos, e amar perdidamente alguém..e vestem-se como os adolescentes do mundo se vestem agora. é uma questão de moda…mas a música que eles fazem não é boa, de todo.
por alguma razao apenas raparigas no inicio da adolescencia os seguem, querem ter um ídolo a seguir e eles cantam o que elas querem ouvir!
mas o pop não é mau..posso não gostar de pop e no entanto sei perfeitamente que o michael jackson era um génio, e era bem popular…
Oi Paulo!
Prefiro escrever em português. Na minha opinião, não é que as pessoas odeiam os artistas pop, mas talvez projetem neles seus próprios amores ou ódios exacerbados. Penso em vc. como um exemplo bacana disso. Outro dia em um churrasco o assunto era Paulo Coelho e fiquei feliz em poder defender o escritor que se tornou referência mundial nesse tema de autoconhecimento. Alguns amigos até concordaram que os que te criticam sentem obviamente uma baita inveja de vc. E de muitos outros como vc. Lembro o que falou sobre isso: Eles nos amam em segredo e querem entender o porquê tantos também amam… Tipo assim: Como eu queria ser você!
Quem não queria ser um artista pop???
Abs, Amor e Respeito,
Daniele
For me it is Bill’s Voice. I can’t listend to him when he sings. This is the biggest Reason, why I don’t really like the band or the music. The second reason is the behaviour. They started very young, but never talk like it’s normal for the age. They made to many overstatements about her life especially their love-live…this are only my reasons^^
who’s Bill?
I like pop music…
All art is subjective whether it is paint, prose or music and all artists are unique in their own way. We all have different tastes and likes and dislikes, and we each have something to learn from one another.
To not listen to someone’s music or study someone’s art or read someone’s book and make a negative judgement upon them just because of who you think they are (or where they are coming from) is wrong. People can make hasty opinions just for the sake of making an opinion and some disagree or dislike just for the sake of being different or ‘unique’.
I believe when we ‘season’ ourselves with a little bit of everything (from pop to underground art) it makes us much more layered and makes our life experience fuller.
So, wherever it comes from and whomever is presenting it…if you love it…LOVE IT and if you don’t, don’t judge, for if you do, you are taking something away from your fellow human being who may gain enjoyment from it!
Peace!
@CheriePop
“if you love it…LOVE IT and if you don’t, don’t judge, for if you do, you are taking something away from your fellow human being who may gain enjoyment from it!”
It works both ways. I’ve seen people who love a particular artist/style of music judge a person because they don’t like it. There shouldn’t be any judgment. Period. Just go with the flow and like what you like. And be willing to broaden your horizons.
greeting sir!
I think this is not always the case…but it often seems so…
to qoute:
“But for the present age, which prefers the sign to the thing signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, appearance to essence . . . truth is considered profane, and only illusion is sacred. Sacredness is in fact held to be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness.”
—Feuerbach
My problem with the Tokio Hotel guys is the music.
it isn’t important to me if they look like artificial or not in case of the songs being good songs. I don’t have any prejudice with the them music, including i had listened tokio hotel songs to see if i would like, but i didn’t like.
I understood what you wanted to say about prejudice, and i agree. we cannot say that we hate a pop group or any music style without listening it or knew it before. but sincerely the tokio hotel music don’t do my style.
Durval
Ps. sorry about the english.
I love music(all kinds),as it ALL has validity,as an expression of soul!
I think the only thing important is,whether it appeals to you or not.Is Bob Dylan worth more than Tokio Hotel,because he deals with political stuff and is understood as an “artist”? Where does Pop start and art begin? Is Madonna a popsinger or an artist? Judging from her shows she is definitely the latter,because she wants to get a message through every time.But is a message necessary to separate art from pop? Is music not something that should make you feel happy and want to shake your ass till you drop and that`s about it?I like music in general,what ever the tune or the singer is,if it catches me by sound or lyrics,it´s mine from then on.There a singers whom I really admire,for me it is first of all Chris Rea.I have EVERY single CD that he threw on the market and there is not one song that doesn´t strike a chord in my soul…
I think the question of qualitiy or art is ridiculous,because for me music is meant to be joy-and joy cannot be measured by any means…
There´s a world
far away from the one we see
there´s a dream
I will never let go
One thing is certainly true
this moments for me and for you
So while there`s a chance and you´re here
Ohh,let`s dance!
Chris Rea
like a rolling stone, a complete unknown – who doesn’t feel like that at times.
Madonna is just so adorable it doesn’t even matter what she does
Chris Rea…. the name rings a bell, – but who was he again????
never seen you looking so lovely as you did tonight …
never seen you shine so bright x
Chris Rea rocks!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w22z6JWR6Wc
Sheelu-la ly thank you for the music, it’s nice .I had never heard of Marc Anthony… apart from the other one ..Know what I mean? HEE HA!
pop music…. a sign of the time.
You are so funny! Keep on smiling.
:)
Being popular is not bad. What is bad is to selling who you are NOT. Unless you decide to become this new person.
There are plenty of artists who just ignore themselves and live in an endless sadness, being who they don’t want to be. This is bad. Sooo bad.
Best,
Manu.
PS: I am a singer myself, and I don’t want people to think I am a bad artists in case I go popular. I am just being who I am. Is there something evil about it?
wow wow that was great ! What a beautiful picture as well!
I like all type of music .
No, there is nothing evil about wanting to be who you are. Keep it up!
:)You rock!
it’s weird. so many people say they hate tokio hotel. but how can they be this successful? they’ve been in the top ten charts all over the world (germany, france, russia,asia, america…). so there’s got to be a a great deal of people who listen to their music and BUY their music. and i guess you can’t be forced to BUY music? can you?
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