Einstein and Tagore, 14 July 1930, exactly 80 years ago!
Spiritual life is the emancipation of consciousness. Through it we find immediate response of soul everywhere. Before we attain this life, we see men through the medium of self-interest, prejudice or classification, because of the perpetual remoteness around us which we cannot cross over. When the veil is removed, we not only see the fleeting forms of the world, but come close to its eternal being, which is ineffable beauty.
Some seek for the evidence of spiritual truth in the outside world. In this quest one may stumble upon ghosts or some super-sensual phenomenon of nature, but these do not lead us to spiritual truth, as new words in a dictionary do not give us literature.
So busy used I to be under the belief that I was indispensable, that I hardly dared to wink.
My doctor now and again would warn me, saying: “Stop, take it easy.”
But I would reply: “How will things go on if I stop?”
Just then my health failed me, the wheels of my car broke down and it came to a stop beneath this window. From here I looked out upon the limitless space. There I saw whirling the numberless flashing wheels of the triumphal chariot of time,–no dust raised, no din, not even a scratch left on the roadway. On a sudden I came to myself. I clearly perceived that things could get along without me. There was no sign that those wheels would stop, or drag the least bit, for lack of anyone in particular.
But is this to be admitted so easily as all that! Even if I admit it in words, my mind refuses assent. If it be really quite the same whether I go or stay, how then did my pride of self find a place in the universe, even for a moment? On what could it have taken its stand? Amidst all the plentifulness with which space and time are teeming, it was nevertheless not possible to leave out this self of mine. The fact that I am indispensable is proved by the fact that I am.
THE question is: “In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,–in Power or in Love?” If we accept Power as that truth we must also recognize conflict as inevitable and eternal.
Thought Relics by Rabindranath Tagore
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Hi Sheelu La
Thanks for that you tube link, I enjoyed the song and watching the translation in English and Punjabi (I guess)
Babe Bulleh Shah I had never heard of him and I also did not know that there were Punjabi Sufi’s poet as well.
Thank you for sharing.
Love
Marie-Christine
Where we always have ways to distance war and POWER, we rarely have ways to, or we rarely like to be away from love. We all love LOVE and love is the only truth. From the very day we are born till the day we find our love, and then again till the day we die we continue our quest for LOVE.
A greek philosopher said that “the War is Father of the Universe” (Parmenide was his name in italian).
He meant that in this world nothing ever stays the same,but everything is in evolution.
I think this is the only positive meaning of the word “war”.
Have a nice day
Chris
Muchas gracias por su generosidad!. Hace muchos años (ya casi 30 tomé contacto con R.Tagore, a través de una versión traducida al español por gentileza de la UNESCO: “HACIA EL HOMBRE UNIVERSAL”, y desde entonces sigo aprendiendo de los seres que como él y como Usted, son verdaderos “GUERREROS DE LA LUZ”.
El misterio de la vida es tan grande como la sombra en la noche. La ilusión de la sabiduría es como la niebla del
amanecer. Leemos mal el mundo, y decimos luego que nos engaña.(R.Tagore).
Muchas Gracias querido Paulo Coelho por enseñarnos a ver e interpretar mejor el mundo y ayudarnos a despejar la niebla del amanecer.
Sugiero lectura de: El sermón de la paz – Juan Zorrilla de San Martín (1924) en:
http://drgeorgeyr.blogspot.com/2009/02/el-sermon-de-la-paz-juan-zorrilla-de.html
Actually…80 years ago!
you are right. Probably my mind was still in 2000
Correction made!
Cara Olta Ana,
grazie per aver raccolto e condiviso il mio pensiero. Grazie per la tua grande sensibilità che dimostri puntualmente con le tue parole!
Mettere a segno anche solo un piccolo gesto di Amore è un grande passo verso la Pace tra la gente ed i popoli.
Una cattedrale si costruisce sempre assemblando le pietre delle fondamenta, una ad una. Quindi è una gioia portare la nostra piccola pietra: che sia una buona parola, un gesto, un’azione. Grazie per la condivisione.
What a wonderful post! Thank you , Master. ♥
So much of what you write, Paulo, speaks directly to my insides, not so much through your words directly, rather, through the amazing power your words have to carry me to the level of intuition, touching that which is hidden from articulation and can only be known by allowing it free entry into my being. This is my first visit to your webpage and blog, but only because time does not allow me to read blogs and websites; I would rather spend my reading time with your books and articles. And to one article in particular, I would like to respond, although in responding to it I respond to all your writings: “De las diferentes visiones del infierno,” published in XLSemanal on June 27, in Madrid.
I.
Her damnation invaded my breathing being,
twitching whore-dragons and noiseless shades
that played a hounding hide-and-seek
hags that held me, terrified, immobile in my bed.
She floated in a maelstrom of oblivion
abysmally asunder in suspended isolation
quarantined soul, intruder in my dreams
to waste my peace, and let me know what hell is:
dull existence, unformed inertia
stripped of all but disconnected self
feeling yet recognizing only nothingness
aimless in confusion without context:
unhallowed delight of devils
joy of the fiery phoenix of perdition
disjoined spirit
utterly alone
formless in unending void
powerless to hurl a scream
silenced by a hell that grants no contact
not even her own within herself
suffocation
exile
doubt
aching separation.
II.
I learned to pray, and beg for prayers
enlisted priestly power
rabbinic rituals
conspired with all who didn´t say,
“Sorry, we don’t pray for the dead.”
I claimed the ashes her daughter didn’t want
collected gifts: poems, baubles,
photos, flowers
from poets who had shared her verses
Beautiful Losers cheering for her soul.
I spoke aloud to her
“You´re going to be all right, as connected as you are.”
And I heard the silence change.
I waited, frozen.
Then, a whispered silhouette
reaching from the unbeing
thin sliver of a voice.
She said, “I am connected?”
“Oh, yes.”
III.
From a jetty on the bay
one by one I threw her flowers, poems
and trinkets to the waves
that same moment sung
in chapels, churches, synagogues, and temples
of Gods and Goddesses in all the world
in thought, voice, prayer, and screams
her poets wept and wailed in unison.
I opened the box exactly as
the morgue attendant had instructed.
I turned it upside down.
Heavy downpour, gray chalk cascade
not air-light dust to float across the water,
but weighty, dense, more
than what that box should hold, it seemed
a never-ending stream
spilling calcic bits and pieces
leaden powder joining with the sea.
And then it ended.
Breath, release, came loud and deep.
Her demons let us go
they only thrive and torture in the vapidness
of separation.
I dropped the empty box into the sea.
we just exist. nothing in this universe is dispensable. everything is inter connected. this is the ultimate spiritual truth.
“In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,–in Power or in Love?”
Power without love is dominance, and love without power is unimaginable.
A vida carnal é cheias de encantos e desencantos.Tudo faz parte para nossa elevação. O amor esse sim, só traz evoluçao em todos os sentidos,é a maior prova espiritual e cientifica comprovada que tudo supera,tudo aceita,tudo se renova.
Interesting how we all think – I am a spirit living in a material world – and so where do you think you will be when you die? – you will be the same spirit attached to another material body.
Please read my blog and tell me what you think??
Hey everyone
Small prayer
yeah I wasn’t what you’d call a real believer at all
the higher law in my eyes came through forbidden art
by those said to be representing you and they clearly lied so over I switched to the other side all, but except my heart
a heart which soon perpetually cried and many times almost died because of a terrible long fall
And next the smack on rock bottom came no money no love no sanity all there was a spoonful of hate
in dreams I lay in darkness alone in a cave but you made me climb again because in my darkest hour you gave me friends a bit of mercy for every ascent is was you told me in that dream and a good act or word for every word and act I at that moment did so repent
That’s what I did and I learned in due time that though your path is pretty damn hard to follow it leads to only treasury to find and though I’m still tainted by evil and will forever be, at least I now know, there really is mercy.
All it takes is a bit of good given coming to blossom, some gift you gave accepted in gratitude and trained without stopping, a short term gain lost for a longterm friendship gotten, hatred smothered by loving instead of forever rotting.
And even scum like me can be rewarded with some good good loving
So thanks whatever you are whatever your name is however rituals prescribe I should talk to you and make you support the most scandalous political and fincancial schemes, whatever some guy in a usually rather bizarre outift says is your will and orders, this is how I see it feel it think it to be
No bullshit, just a thanks for being there for me.
I don’t know if it fits the board or the message, but yeah, I just love chalking something on the digital wall.
All the best y’all, Thomas
We are little pieces of a whole one, and I believe that our entity, or actions, will still exists either if it is as in one or as if it is separated in many other pieces. Just like the materia which changes but it doesn’t get lost.
We can see this through pride and power or love and humbleness, but maybe these go along together… in some way or another.
WE ARE INDISPENSABLE AS MUCH AS WE ARE NOT.
To me Love itself is Power, but maybe the mistake stands on looking only at the bright face of this power. After all the light was born from the darkness and still I don’t believe that darkness was Bad.
Complicated!
THE question is: “In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,–in Power or in Love?” If we accept Power as that truth we must also recognize conflict as inevitable and eternal.
I would have said, try to find it in both of them, try to find out in the equilibrium, in the middle, try to find out about Love.
Love
Olta
Caro Paulo,
secondo me la risposta alla “Matita” è il brano di Tagore che tu hai proposto, almeno in parte. Ma se ogni nostra azione lascia il segno nella nostra vita privata e nella storia della collettività, io mi domando:- Cosa ha fatto e cosa sta facendo l’essere umano per cambiare il corso della storia in modo da non ripetere più gli errori e correggere quelli in atto?-
Mi faccio spesso questa domanda per cercare di porre rimedio ai miei stessi errori e per capire il ruolo fondamentale dell’essere umano nella Storia.
Purtroppo devo essere realista e ciò che ne deduco non mi rende sempre tranquilla. Purtroppo ancora esistono guerre e contrasti terribili su questa terra, quindi la matita che ha scritto i libri di storia avrà di che dolersi moltissimo. La mano umana che ha scritto la Storia non è ancora stata in grado di scrivere la parola FINE alle ingiustizie, ai dolori, alla sofferenza ed alla morte provocate dalla volontà micidiale dei prepotenti, dei “senza amore”. Quindi, quante volte dovremo ancora temperare la matita, magari per riscrivere sempre gli stessi orrori? Gli orrori commessi hanno lasciato una traccia ben visibile sul foglio della Storia e nelle nostre coscienze e memorie ma perchè ci ostiniamo a non tenerne conto?
Perchè l’essere umano continua a metter in pratica i propri egoismi, la sete di potere, come se fosse onnipotente? Perchè non si ricorda che c’è sì una Mano Divina che ci guida ma che con altrettanto Amore ci lascia liberi?
E per tutti, credenti e non, perchè non riusciamo a ficcarci in testa una buona volta che condividere è meglio che rapinare le risorse e ridurre in povertà popoli che già soffrono terribilmente?
Perchè non riusciamo a realizzare che mettere Pace è meglio che essere sempre in guerra?
Perchè ci ostiniamo ad essere guerrieri delle tenebre anzicchè vestire i panni di Guerrieri della Luce?
Meglio un solo pane ma consumato in pace che tanto cibo e risorse difese strenuamente con i denti e con la veemenza di chi teme di perderle in ogni momento.
Pensiamo ai bambini che muoiono perchè non hanno neppure un pane o una medicina salvavita.
Chiediamoci ogni giorno cosa abbiamo fatto perchè la nostra vita abbia un senso. O continueremo sempre a parlare, a scrivere di buoni propositi e tutto rimarrà come prima, con gli egoismi che trionferenno, le guerre che verranno combattute, il dolore che non troverà consolazione.
Se troveremo una mano tesa che chiede aiuto, proviamo a liberarci del nostro egoismo ed allunghiamo anche noi la nostra mano per portare soccorso. Credere nei propri sogni, a volte comporta anche qualche sacrificio, scendere dal nostro piedistallo di ferro che arrugginirà, quindi, secondo me è meglio scegliere l’Amore anzicchè il potere.
Grazie Paulo per avere proposto gli ultimi due argomenti!
Cara margherita,
Grazzie per il tuo bel commento!
Ho visto che hai scritto un mucchio di perche li dentro, tanti perche che molti di noi non smettono mai di porsi a se stessi.
La grande sfortuna di noi esseri umani e la carenza di amore per se stessi, e per il prossimo.
La paura, la sete di potere, il odio e tutti questi sentimenti hanno preso il sopravento. E pensare che l’amore a bisogno solo di una piccola porticina per poter entrarci dolcemente poco a poco.
Noi non siamo perffeti per natura, e per tanto commetiamo errori a volonta, ma il vero male non sono i nostri infiniti errori, ma i nostri cuori scuri.
A questo punto io direi solo che chi abbia una coscienza e del amore nel cuore che facia la sua parte e dia il suo haiuto perche il mondo e fatto cosi.
Ti auguro una buona giornata Margherita! :D
I have to stop now to go on.
“When the veil is removed, we not only see the fleeting forms of the world, but come close to its eternal being, which is ineffable beauty.”
This is so true, I often find it hard to keep the veil from falling again and blinding me.
the funny thing is that I do not know much about Tagore …
but I got fascinated by his letters & haida …
I like all the comments I can read on this post. but all the time, I get stuck with his letters, and ….
he married with 22, his bride was 10.
what is love when it always gets overshadowed by culture and tradition?
EL AMOR MUEVE AL MUNDO HE AHI EL PODER EN SI MISMO; NINGUN PODER ES REAL SIN EL AMOR PORQUE ES EL AMOR PRECISAMENTE LO QUE HACE QUE SUS EFECTOS PERDUREN.
Love moves the world, so it is POWER itself…
No power is true without love, because it is love which makes its effects last.
My first introduction to Rabindranath Tagore. Some deep thoughts he had. “we see men through the medium of self-interest, prejudice or classification, because of the perpetual remoteness around us which we cannot cross over.”
and
“In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,–in Power or in Love?” If we accept Power as that truth we must also recognize conflict as inevitable and eternal.”
Tive um namorado holandes que me apresentou a Tagore. Ele me mostrou- deu-me pra ler- um poema lindo… a mais linda declaração q eu podeira receber. Desde então passei a conhecer este homem que dividiu conosco uma das belas maneiras de se olhar para o mundo.
Thanks for sharing many of your own experiences with us, delighted readers!
Eliane.
TO BE : I am, you are , he is , she is, it is, we are, you are, they are! AS simple and as perplex as that.
we learn this in the first English lesson and yet we forget that this is what it means TO BE..
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If you shed tears when you miss the sun, you also miss the stars. – Tagore
Love and Gratitude
Annie
What comes to my mind is:
The earth is a living organism, not a playground of separated, individual interests.
Tagore is representative of spiritual truths and Einstein of scientific facts.
There is a practice I´m into and Life Being so great wants me – it seems – to dive deeper, hurray, I feel grateful.
Im talking about my joy today and a spiritual practice based on scientific facts: it´s named mbsr: mindfulness based stress reduction; besides practices it represents seven theoretical principles which are also attitudes:
1 Nonjudging
2 Patience
3 Beginner´s mind
4 Trust
5 Nonstriving
6 Acceptance
7 Letting go
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Because…
“The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.”
Albert Einstein
“Implication: We need to develop and refine our mind and its capacities for seeing and knowing, for recognizing and transcending whatever motives and concepts and habits of unawareness may have generated or compounded the difficulties we find ourselves embroiled within, a mind that knows and sees in new ways, that is motivated differently.”
Jon Kabat-Zinn, MBSR-Founder
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I think Tagore and Einstein would be happy hearing about this. Thanks for reading.
:-D
Love to You and All and a wonderful summer or whatever season is there where you are.
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“I slept and dreamt that life was joy.
I awoke and saw that life was service.
I acted and behold, service was joy.”
Rabindranath Tagore
One of the fathers of Quantum Physics
http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/quantum-physics.html
Beautiful…..
Love and light always
Monica
Thank you Monica for sharing this link, I found it completely interesting.
It seems that I stand between science and the spiritual, and to fully understand them, we need both. I took a couple of Physics classes in college, it was one of my favorite classes, I aced them. Though being the spiritual being that I am, I wanted to become a metaphysician, a metaphysical healer. I didn’t but that’s not the point.
We live in a world of unlimited possibilities, but our conditioning does not allow us to live this truth consciously. I struggle everyday with my own conditioning, I’m quite often aware of my unpleasant cellular memories, these things are ingrained through repetition. I often am aware of them lurking in the background of my existence yet having a direct affect on my thoughts and mind and thus, my world…
I am, I exist, I’m indispensable, and that is my truth! My truth is that which I believe!
Thank you for Tagore and Einstein next to him :)
Love and kisses
xxoo
Thank you Monica for sharing. Thus, I could read and see proved and explained, what I … intuitively have always known and experienced: Everything is ‘NOUS’=Mind and that we are all ONE.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Truth is in Miracles.
I found that text to be really interesting.I already came upon that “truth” a long time ago,things go along whether we are here or not.Although I find that text really interesting,I find it really torturing.Where is the joy to live?I agree with the doctor in fact:”take it easy”,enjoy life,accept that other people need some space sometimes,that doesn’t mean they don’t care about you.You don’t need to stop,you just need to be like that pencil.
Are you eating the same meal everyday?Are you feeling in the same mood everyday?ect..each day is a different day with different need and state of mind..why can’t people nurture their own instead of assuming so many things about their neighbor that are not half the time true?I wonder.
Also a “truth” to me..stop putting labels on people.
We are a business man,a father,a brother,a husband ect..not only one of them..so our priorities change all the time.Just remember other people do exist not only behind a screen.That love should be given in everyway and everywhere.
Love to all
Ciao Paulo, io credo che quando si arrivi a rimuovere il velo e ci si avvicini all’ essere eterno del mondo, nel mondo,che è fatto di bellezza ineffabile ecco proprio qui, dentro a questa nuova visione, sia l’ amore che il proprio orgoglio vengano molto ridemsionati. Sopprattutto il proprio orgoglio e la coscienza e la consapevolezza di esso divengano inevitabilmente poca cosa o più semplicemente una piccola cosa. L’ amore al contrario può rimanere grande ma è la sua collocazione e relazione all’ interno che muta inevitabilmente. Penso che se si rimuova il velo l’ orgoglio diventi piccolo, piccolo fino quasi a sparire, mentre l’ amore non diventi piccolo, piccolo ma perda la propria valenza egoistica ed opportunistica.
Ciao Rosetta
Einstein and Tagore, 14 July 1930, exactly 70 years ago!
Exactly 80 years ago!! ;-] Time passes so quickly; although Albert Einstein has said that time is .. relevant! Each one of us understands time and life in our own way. Our bodies and matter count and feel time under the three-dimensional world’s laws! Our soul is timeless and eternal.
“In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,–in Power or in Love?” If we accept Power as that truth we must also recognize conflict as inevitable and eternal”. “Rabindranath Tagore”
I hate … conflict and war! I am dreaming of Peace, Light and Beauty! So I believe that TRUTH IS LOVE.
LOVE,
Thelma xxx
Dearest Thelmaki,
the following link is to their conversation on
July 14th….
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/einstein_tagore.htm
With loving kindness,
Satoraki
Языков так много,много!И во всех звучит одно:по-ромейски,по-фарсийски-верь в любовь и пей вино!(218 из Гафиза в переводе Владимира Соловьева)
MI piace L’affermazione IO SONO….qualunque e chiunque sia :IO SONO….IO VOGLIO essere, parte dell’anima del mondo, senza che nessuno se ne accorga ,in modo tacito ma con cuore vibrante ….IO AMO*
I love this photo. Two geniuses in two different fields.
Thnx, One of Tagores best qoutes:
He who wants to do good knocks at the gate; he who loves finds the gate open.
/Hope
Wow…
Nobel prize winner…I love his poems, spiritual and about love, beautiful. He is one of the reasons I would like to visit India once. I feel some words do unveil many of things and replies to my questions. I will read more of his work.
Thank you
Thanks for sharing this.
It’s so true, what he says. Every word.
The fundamental question of our being.
‘The fact that I am indispensable is proved by the fact that I am.’
‘In which Truth is my entity to realise its fullest value,- in Power or in Love?’
Definitely in LOVE lies the truth of our existence!
Where we always have ways to distance war and POWER, we rarely have ways to, or we rarely like to be away from love. We all love LOVE and love is the only truth. From the very day we are born till the day we find our love, and then again till the day we die we continue our quest for LOVE.
“Choose LOVE…with it, you are filled with light and the darkness in you begins to fade and then you truly begin to comprehend all things.”
Two geniuses found each other and others.
Where power reigns, love disappears, like a ghost.
Looking at this picture and also in relation to recent posts; the initials of the names:
Coco Chanel
Marilyn Munroe
Now Einstein
E = mc2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore
Soon I will see Haida work. Along with appreciating the trees (all that nurtured the trees) and carvers, will think of Tagore, Einstein, Paulo, friends and everyone that comments. All leads to, and from a source of love (god).
Expressing love in some way, energizes the soul.
Thankyou, Love to All,
Jane xo
funny: the equation is true :o)
isn’t it astonishing how his name looks so similar to haida work?
fascinating to imagine that their roots may come from bengal?
You noticed too!!!!!!! Agree, really astonishing Katie, thankyou. Wondered if dear Tagore noticed it as well!
Having many thoughts about this, mandalas, snowflakes, vibrations, energy, colors, and god persisting.
Very, very interesting comments here!
Thanks again Katie, hope your evening is lovely.
Blessings,
Jane
try reading the celstine prophecy. that should really help. it did me. i identify completely w/ repetitions and cellular memories.
I believe that the material part is just a little part of that invisible one which we are used to call spiritual, so they are one in one, and these information are just the proof of that.
I use to have a very sharp memory once, but these last years I started to forget a lot. :(
I am trying to recuperate little by little but in the mean time I am trying to find out the good side of it. heheheeh
Love
Olta
engraçado que comentei com minha mãe hoje _ faz dez anos que estamos nesta casa? e eu pensei “parece que foi hoje, pra onde foram estes 10 anos?”